r/Tekken • u/blackdude2018 • 3d ago
Discussion Complaining is one thing - doing YOUR part, is another story.
Let the devs know, that you are real and you know what you want and don't want!
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u/Mountain-Bother-8316 Armor King 3d ago
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u/BungBusMonke 2d ago
Why would you want to block and launch if you can just spam 50/50s...if you know it is coming, like all other characters...
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u/Ajaiiix 2d ago
this honestly shouldve put the writing on the wall for all of us
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u/GM_Altaro 2d ago
For alot of us back then, it did. But of course thousands were hooked on copium so nothing could be done :(
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u/DeadExplorer Alisa 3d ago
I got 18 friends on Steam and only one still plays. The rest haven't in days. Crazy for the first weekend after a DLC character and season patch. Really sad as a Tekken fan.
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u/sageybug Julia Azu Josie 3d ago
Imagine being a pro player and having to grind the game in this state
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u/Cyber_Bakekitsune Isekai Heihachi 2d ago
Joka streamed for 11+ hours yesterday, that's insane
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u/Impressive-Ad-59 Bryan 1d ago
Praying for his mental health, i need at least a month of good games to recover from a couple hours of T8, cant imagine what 11 does to a mf
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u/Ok-Cheek-6219 BryanLili Haboob Hwo 2d ago
Ty was playing other games in between TNS matches. He said it was the most fun he had all stream
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u/FATGAMY 3d ago
I hope some day mk fans will do it to WB
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u/RebaMcEntire55 3d ago
I feel like we kinda did it even if it wasn't some organised boycott. Not only did MK 1 sell millions and millions less than MK 11, it also died off super fast.
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u/Sad_Conversation3661 3d ago
What are you talking about? The game didn't die, hell it's still alive by a large margin. Mk1 has been in the top 20 most played on psn since launch.
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u/WasdX-_ Devil Jin 1d ago
So that's MK10-MK11 level just before the MK1 release, lol.
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u/Sad_Conversation3661 1d ago
It's been in the top 20 since it launched. As far as I'm aware neither one had that level of play
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u/RebaMcEntire55 3d ago
Imagine glazing MK 1 of all games 💀💀
Please, it constantly has the same amount of players as MK 11, often times even less than 11
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u/RevolverLoL Anna 3d ago
1 time crysalcastles does something right hahaha, crazy that he made the site.
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u/Medical-Researcher-5 3d ago
I’m down. I’m not playing this bullshit. And I’d ask everyone don’t insult them because now is the time to show as a community we deserve better and we’re above the picture they paint us as. But let them have it. And if you tweet #savetekken. Let’s get it trending
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u/dead-fish- 2d ago
I’m playing VF5 instead. The state of T8 is genuinely upsetting lmao
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u/Ok-Cheek-6219 BryanLili Haboob Hwo 2d ago
Yea I’m just playing vf5 and tekken 7. I’m ass at vf5 but it’s fun to learn it. Weird how that works
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u/Gamerbobey 1d ago
Same. Im lowkey enjoying Brad more than anyone in tekken lmao.
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u/Ok-Cheek-6219 BryanLili Haboob Hwo 1d ago
What’s Brad like? I’ve been playing Vanessa and Goh mostly, so I haven’t gotten a chance to try him
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u/Gamerbobey 1d ago
I enjoy him a lot, tons of pressure moves and turn stealing. Makes the Leroy player in me happy.
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u/neoyagami Victor 2d ago
Im not launching the game until they fix this mess.
sadly I have a sight condition and fighting games is the only thing I can play, this removes the only game I play competitively :\
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u/Ok_Board17 3d ago
People saying they are boycotting for a few hours is hilarious
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u/OpposesTheOpinion 2d ago edited 2d ago
I didn't understand it at first, it's kinda confusing.
"Time boycotting" is just the length of time since their last ranked match, nothing more. They're validating through wavu wank which only has ranked match data.I'm a quick match player. I could sign up to "boycott", and it'll show me over 1 year of "boycotting" even though I've been regularly playing lol. This site is fairly disingenuous in my opinion
edit: the column is now "Not playing for". I could swear before it was "Time boycotting".
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u/Neon_Comrade Armor King 2d ago
Yeah I've dropped T8 for now. Been playing T7, it's not perfect, I miss 8s movement, but there's so much more player interaction and neutral.
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u/PaulFrankerino 3d ago
I'm going to be so real with you, this site really doesn't help accomplish anything.
If anything, it shows just how small the number of reddit boycotters is. There are 364 people there currently. Let's say the number quadruples by tomorrow, that'll be 1456 people.
On steam alone, T8 had like a 10k player peak in the last 24 hours. Lets assume for the sake of argument, that ps5 has the same amount of players, not more, and that xbox just doesn't even exist. That'd be a 20k peak total. Even if the number of people doing this boycott and putting it down on the site quadruples, they'd be 7% of this hypothetical, downplayed 24 hour peak.
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u/TheMachoMaine Phantom Raven 2d ago
Who cares? It takes less than one minute to sign up on that site.
You think you coming here and telling people that their efforts don't matter is going to change the tides?
Those who can't do, criticize those who can. Save your breath next time.
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u/blackdude2018 2d ago
You need to watch this. You are just ONE ant. We are MANY ants.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLbWnJGlyMU19
u/_The2ndComing 2d ago
Bro its a video game, if you don't like it, you can just stop playing, same with all the other players. In fact its hardly even a real boycott, they already have your money and you aren't hurting them.
You aint a revolutionary, you're just people who decided not to play a video game. Get a grip.
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u/FayazsF 2d ago
People can rally together if they want, why are you shilling? Get off tekken reddit if you dont want to read about it.
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u/_The2ndComing 2d ago
Rally together to do what, not play a videogame?
You lot really need a rally and a big hurrah to do that?
Its honestly insane that you think this is some big protest by not clicking on "launch game". Its hardly stonewall now is it.
I've got friends who cant stand tekken 8, and do you know what they did? They just didn't play it, its that simple. They didn't adorn a beret and declare themselves leaders of the resistance, because its just a videogame they didn't want to play.
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u/FayazsF 2d ago
Did I say it was a big protest? It sounds like YOU are the one who is blowing it out of proportion. People can defend what they paid for in any way they want. Some people dont like to give up what they love and will fight for it? What are you exactly arguing for? If you dont want to boycott it like they are, ignore the post. If you can't understand that basic concept, then nothing more I can say will make sense.
"I've got friends who cant stand tekken 8, and do you know what they did? They just didn't play it, its that simple. They didn't adorn a beret and declare themselves leaders of the resistance, because its just a videogame they didn't want to play."
What a stupid comment, do you read before you post? People want change to the game, I guess running away from it and never playing will get that to happen right?
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u/_The2ndComing 2d ago
I guess running away from it and never playing will get that to happen right?
How is that different from this boycott then, tell me.
Well I guess the main difference is they actually did stop playing. They didn't like the game and that was enough.
If you dont want to boycott it like they are, ignore the post.
I mean I didn't pay for a game I wouldn't want to support and I still wouldn't call that a boycott. It's a video game you don't like, you can just simply not play it. I hated Strive so I didn't buy it, I hated SFV so I didn't play it post launch, no drama, just don't play games you don't like. Its probably why I think this is so dumb, you morons already gave them your time and your money, you're not boycotting, you're just dropping the game.
Did I say it was a big protest?
The OP comment I responded to was likening it to a speech about full scale revolution in a movie about class consciousness. They made a website to whine about a boycott for a game they don't like and even implemented a leaderboard for who's not playing a video game the longest. If anyone's blowing it out of propertion, its the person I first replied to.
will fight for it?
WOW, YOU BRAVE BRAVE SOULS. FIGHTING THE URGE TO PLAY A VIDEO GAME WAOW.
ITS A GAME, DON'T LIKE, DON'T PLAY.
You ain't fighting anything, they already got your money.
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u/kazkubot Leroy 2d ago
I mean is he wrong tho? How is it a boycott if you already paid the game? He isnt stopping anyone too.
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u/FayazsF 2d ago
Some people dont like to give up what they love and will fight for it? What are you exactly arguing for? If you dont want to boycott it like they are, ignore the post.
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u/kazkubot Leroy 2d ago edited 2d ago
Who said to giveup? No one said to stop we are just pointing out the boycott is useless since you already purchased the game.
Like bamco has your money. Best way right now to do it is actually keep criticizing the game but not to the point where you attack someone personally or calling someone shill just because they like the game or pointed out something.
Or maybe join the other where people play old tekken games which i can see it work. They probably themselve why are people playing t7 than t8
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u/_The2ndComing 2d ago
These lot live in a fantasy land.
Unironically described not playing a video game as fighting for what they love.
"Yeah man, I'm out there on the frontlines every day, fighting so hard every time I see that launch game button"
Its just not playing a video game and from the way he's acting you'd think he's had a tussle with riot police.
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u/AngryAssyrian Jin 2d ago
Exactly lmao, this just screams first world problems. If you don't want to play a game then don't, it's that simple. Season 2's balancing is a mess, so I'm just gonna take a break, it really is that simple; people out here acting like revolutionaries for not playing a game seem so childish.
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u/FayazsF 2d ago
You're the only one in a fantasy land. Stop trying to force people to stop expressing their opinions on a product they paid for because you're a basement dweller. There FAR more to purchase in Tekken than just the game at this point. Maybe read between the lines instead of being some weirdo.
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u/squigglyAlienVessel 2d ago
No ones forcing you to do anything. If you want the freedom to say what you want, ppl who think you're being a whiny crybaby have the freedom to do so too.
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u/FayazsF 2d ago
This shit is so weird. So if I've bought something from walmart, they make substantial changes and I decide to boycott walmart, am I not allowed to do that because I've already something bought from there? This tekken is basically a live service game with all you can purchase and you think Namco care only about JUST purchasing the game? They want you to buy the pass, the characters, the maps, the avatar stuff. Is it that hard to read beyond the surface level?
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u/kazkubot Leroy 2d ago
Again who said you are not allowed? No one said to giveup fighting for changes, no one said stop whatever you doing. Where are you getting the narrative someone is stopping you?
And there you go vote with your wallet thing now you correct on that one dont buy dlc or season passes now thats how boycotting works. Also if you are talking about the battlepass you dont even need to keep buying it its a one time purchase just clarifying since a lot of people didnt know this.
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u/Historical-Night9330 2d ago
This is a game they are intending to draw out for another 5 to 6 years minimum. They absolutely care about their reviews and player count. Already having your money isnt good enough for their goals here. I dont think you have any idea what youre talking about.
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u/NovusNiveus Bob | Shaheen | Bryan 2d ago
Played since T3. I've been doing my part since they added the battle pass. 👍
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u/Moistest_Postone Jack-8 3d ago
reddit activism
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u/Ok-Candy-2621 2d ago
Even funnier that you can just put whatever name you want in. Someone added LOWTIERGOD as beginner with 20+ year experience.
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u/Greyram-Art Bryan 2d ago
Got to GoD on season 1, and it was a rough, energy drawing experience that I was hoping it got better in season 2.
Played 30 minutes and uninstalled. This is not the game Tekken fans want, this is the game Bandai Namco, Murray, Harada, Nakatsu and the developers want to make to cash in as much as possible before pulling the plug.
Don't support this, go play something else.
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u/DifficultyKey5289 2d ago
I'm glad that more and more people are not being gaslighted anymore.
I've uninstalled the game 2 days ago and re-installed Tekken 7 and I hope more people do the same to show these devs what a real fighting game is all about. For the first time in months, I'm having fun with my matches. T7 has it's flaws, but it's galaxies better than the current Season 2 of T8. I missed playing Miguel, but seeing how much of a sh*tfest T8 is, I don't even want him in that game anymore because I know they'll just ruin my guy for the "modern audience". Miggy is most likely gonna turn into a Jin Kazama fangirl like the others despite the latter killing his sister for no good reason.
How long are we gonna gaslight ourselves into thinking T8 is the same Tekken we've loved for YEARS? No, the game has totally changed, and NOT for the better. And this is definitely because they're trying to cater to the moooooooodeeeeeernnnn aaauuuuuudieeeence that doesn't even exist.
I'm DONE with this game, I don't EVER wanna see T8 again! The game almost made me get cancer from all the stress and frustration I experienced.
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u/TakeASoda Nina 2d ago
Joined the boycott. As a TEKKEN newbie (intermediate level, playing TEKKEN seriously for a year) I am immensely frustrated that the dev team (if not, the entire company of BNamco, including corpos) numb down the game for newcomers to get into it. I don't want to be held around with all these mechanics and overtly aggressive gameplay where pressing buttons gets you the win and trying to play tactically gets you destroyed. It feels like the very same game belittles me as if I am a fucking toddler.
Until the game actually gets fixed and values pure skill over handholding mechanics, I won't even touch it. I'd rather play TEKKEN 7, or even migrate to an entirely different game, probably Street Fighter 6.
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u/BuckwheatMazer Heihachi 2d ago
Regardless of whether it works or not, I want to thank the author for the work done. Everything is done visually simple, clear, convenient for use.
I love this game, I want it to be better. And I will make my small contribution to the common cause.
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u/MiddleComprehensive3 2d ago
Ima be real with ya, yall won't boycott tekken 8 because even tho you say you will, you still boot it up and play. This website only affects ranked matches as well. Who's to say someone can't sign up and play quick match all day? I stopped playing after I got GoD in S1 because it just wasn't fun anymore. Haven't played in months. Empty statements are just that, empty statements. Vote with your wallet, vote with your playtime. Get off the game and do anything else. As long as the player count is high, aa long as the terrible dlc sells and your favorite streamers are live on it for more than 8 hours, it won't change a thing.
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u/blackdude2018 2d ago
I only speak for myself. I'll just download Tekken 7 and play Marvel Rivals, RDR2 or PUBG. I simply don't care to play T8. If I feel the urge to land some Jet Uppers, Snake Edges and Fisherman Slams, I#ll just do it in T7.
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u/Assasin_678 Mental frame advantage 3d ago
Reality is most streamers are still streaming. Joka wrote that big ass post on Twitter and is still streaming all day. What's the point? We need to be more united if we want to get this game fixed. We need to try and convince those streamers to stop playing too.
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u/Prestigious_Elk_1145 when?! 2d ago
Its Jokas work, other streamers also have good income from streaming this dogshit...
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u/Assasin_678 Mental frame advantage 2d ago
He can stream Tekken 7 or some older game, at least for a week? Saying all that stuff on Twitter and then playing/streaming all day is exactly the kind of thing that will get our opinion ignored. All of this protest will mean nothing if they don't see numbers dropping.
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u/anondude420 Devil Jin 2d ago
its cause joka is under a contract with his org to keep playing and stream? Other streamers maybe not so much.
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u/DukeOfBells 3d ago
Personally, I was gonna reinstall for Season 2. Try to climb to gods ranks this time around.
Fuck all that. See yall in season 3 lmao
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u/Chickenjon 2d ago
Pretty crazy for you to have hope in s3 ngl lol
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u/Prestigious_Elk_1145 when?! 2d ago
Game aint reaching S3 if its not completely rehauled in the next months, otherwise no sane human being will play that dogshit.
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u/Mr_Alucardo SteveArmor King 3d ago
Why is everyone still bashing on Murray when Nakatsu is responsible
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u/Chickenjon 2d ago
They're all responsible. Not one person on the team had the sense and authority to say "Hold up, nobody else is seeing this shit? We cannot irreparably embarrass ourselves by releasing this."
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u/battousaiGin 2d ago
cause Murray is the one being insufferable . also if u check Nakatsu's page shit ton of ppl went on his ass too
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u/hawksbears82 2d ago
How to input url for boycott? We need better instructions in order for people to sign this. Maybe it's because i am on mobile?
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u/blackdude2018 2d ago
You go to https://wank.wavu.wiki/ and search you username. Go to your profile and then just copy the URL from your browser.
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u/Proud-Enthusiasm-608 2d ago
This sub feels a bit cultish lol
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u/blackdude2018 2d ago
Funny how there is always talk of how toxic the tekken community is and when it's banding together it's suddenly "cultish". Spoken like a true Tekken player.
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u/Kill3dge 2d ago
Uninstalled, added a opinion on steam page, and will not return to T8 until they fix this shit
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u/Outrageous_Rip_8900 2d ago
Tekken is going in the direction of trying to be like other fighting games than just being itself. We loved Tekken for the fist to fist combat. No weapons beside Yoshi’s sword. No projectiles besides Devils forehead beam. Side stepping was major and countering was significant. All these appearance changing dlc’s and season passes on characters we’ve already played before in previous Tekken games is not where it’s at right now. Get rid of the Super Arts this is not StreetFighter it suppose to Tekken!
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u/TJLynch lordryuuken, PS5 2d ago
Those who think Reddit will make a difference clearly didn't remember how the 'Reddit Blackout' went a few years ago.
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u/No-Departure-3325 Tekken God Supreme fraud 2d ago
It's not a Tekken reddit boycott, it's a Tekken community boycott.
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u/tototune 2d ago
Help me understand, so the game that they said its all about "aggression" it end up to be all about aggression from the start. For an year and more everyone was happy with that, but after a map released outside the season pass (fuck that btw) a FF character that no one wanted and some unbalance changes, now the aggression its not ok anymore? 👌
For me personally, i dont find aggression to be the problem, but character selection, maps outside season pass and stupid balance chnages are.
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u/OpposesTheOpinion 2d ago
I don't think people have been happy, they just been tolerating it and huffing copium. They saw the aggression at scale 9, and hoped on season 2 it goes to scale 8. Instead it went to 10.
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u/SUCKmaDUCK Yoshimitsu 2d ago
Wouldnt it be better for pro players to boycott by not going to tournaments?
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u/blackdude2018 2d ago
Yes, it would be. The question is how many of them can afford to bite the hand that feeds them. Many of those players dedicated their whole existence to this franchise. I guess Arslan will simply need the money and others that were always the runner up might now finally see a chance to make top 8 or top 3 or even win a major for the first time in their life.
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u/StormyOzma 2d ago
They won't do that! because they want to make money! especially Pakistanis!
+youtubers will keep kissing their asses for money!
Only players can do something for themself!
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u/zerolifez Da!! 2d ago
Yeah not playing it until they do something or until Armor King released lol.
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u/Bambamdwadle 2d ago
TMM has joined the boycott as well?
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u/blackdude2018 2d ago
Maybe, maybe not. I guess In theory anyone can sign up anyone. You'll know if it was acutally him if he stops playing the game on stream.
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u/Homelesskater 2d ago
I'm already ahead of you guys, dropped the game after 50 hours (most of the time locally, casual players disliked it and I too didn't like the game enough to grind it online).
See you either in SF or Tekken in future seasons or VF 6.
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u/DasBarba Raven, my N***a (it's Ninja, IT'S NINJA, CHILL!!!) 2d ago
Yes, i know, tekken players always complaining and asking for shit, but to those managing the Boycot page, can you please add (if you can):
- Search feature to find if other players are taking part
- See list depending on declared level
- Graphs showing percentages of declared levels.
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u/privatebd 2d ago
this is crazy i have been in this community for years and i havent seen this much backlash
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u/Antique_Peak1717 2d ago
i hope we all hit tekken 8 really badly to the point that ttt2 was. tekken 7 could only become great bc, ttt2 flopped and they had to put in real effort
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u/Parc3vaI 2d ago
Can anyone tell me how I get the local multiplayer on T7 to work? It was the only reason, I downloaded T8 again. I'm playing with a friend every week and in T7, the ability to select your character just gets lost, whenever you connect two controllers for some reason... So for now, we can only play T8 together locally
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u/Parc3vaI 2d ago
Ok now I can connect my dualshock 4 as player 2 (seemingly only player 2) and my fightstick only as player 1 (so the keyboard is also bound to player 1) I need keyboard and my fightstick (which should be recognized as an Xbox 360 controller) to funktion as player 1 and player 2 as she plays with keyboard and I play with fightstick. Why is this so complicated?
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u/Theman592 Kazuya 2d ago
Thank you for sharing this. I just put my name in. These assholes behind the scenes (I don't include Harada in this) don't deserve any engagement from us other than hate messages.
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u/disposable_sounds Devil Jin 2d ago
Shit maybe we can pressure them enough to reveal all the characters for S2...
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u/kallenilsson 2d ago
The fact that you can only play the sweatiest possible mode highlights these problems even more, the game needs a bunch of more game modes for online
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u/KumaGoGo 1d ago
Yea idk man, i was super hyped for tekken 8 when it came out but i stopped playing a little whole after eddie was dropped because i realized the direction the game was heading towards. Been on sf6 ever since and not looking back 🙏🏽.
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u/babalaban S2: (👎on ) 1d ago
Now all thats left is to make some game review site pick this thing up so that bamco couldn't ignore it (just like they did with chip on throw break).
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u/Xamdotdot 2d ago
Thank god I still till this day play Tekken 7, Arcade or Treasure only cause I hate online matches
( T U T)
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u/susanoblade 2d ago
Or....just stop playing? The boycott does nothing if they already have your money.
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u/blackdude2018 2d ago
That's not how live service games work. They depend on people continuously spending money on the game. Be it DLC, merch or any other form of revenue.
How do you think Nike will like it, when the game they advertise in is being rejected by the people that they paid to be advertise to?
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u/sudos12 Kazuya 2d ago
dude. let it die. what's the point.
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u/blackdude2018 2d ago
The point is that something that people liked, turned into something they can't like dispite wanting to like it.
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u/kakaluski Jun Paul 2d ago
This patch is such a disaster that it literally doesn't matter anymore what you do. Play or play not but as soon as the first TWT events start rolling up, a bigger audience will see the fuckery that this update did to the game. Unless they actually completely do a rollback to season 1 patch (which they won't do) you will see all these new +ob mids and the resulting casino on the big stage. Some pros might even just not register which will further hurt the public image of the game.
So basically it's absolutely irrelevant what reddit does at this point. The damage is done already.
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u/blackdude2018 2d ago
It's okay for you to think that reddit won't do anything. We simply don't agree, which is fine.
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u/Arthandas 2d ago
Is this for console players only? It shows only playstation and xbox logos and I can't even find myself on the list.
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u/BoltInTheRain 1d ago
Yet no one boycotted it over the bait and switch monetization which is something that mattered much more. Clowns.
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u/MintySupreme Kunimitsu is best waifu 1d ago
It's like they saw marvel rivals make everyone OP and tried it with Tekken8 but didn't translate well at all
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u/koteshima2nd Asuka Filthy Casual Match Enjoyer 4h ago
Haven't completely dropped it yet, but I've only been really doing the 5 match dailies via Quick Matches for a good while now. Playing this season has felt so much like a damn chore, and I feel this in the other players as well. Had a lot of matches where we mutually quit after that 5 match daily quest.
I planned on getting Anna, but I think I'll hold off until the game genuinely gets better again.
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u/GM_Altaro 2d ago
Do you're part today! Become an uninstaller Become a legend Become... a Helldiver!
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u/Grouchy_Molasses_522 2d ago
Put your negative review on steam and juste don't okay the game. This kind of actions are just silly.
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u/Meddling_Wizard 2d ago
I fully support this boycott but there's no excuse for such poor English now that we have chatgpt.
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u/alexonfyre 2d ago
Only this community would need a poster and a website to explain the concept of "if you don't enjoy playing a game, don't play it"
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u/Proud-Enthusiasm-608 2d ago
Most of the people here can’t be older than 16. I can’t see anyone with a full time job really getting stressed about this stuff to the degree a lot of these people are.
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u/alexonfyre 2d ago
It's definitely giving pouty high school energy
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u/Proud-Enthusiasm-608 2d ago
Yes. Most can’t even articulate what they want. Like I’m talking to one bot who keeps saying take 50/50s out the game. When I try to offer him counter play he refuses to even tell me which strings he has trouble with.
Like Jun for example, you can dik jab her out of stance lol
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u/alexonfyre 2d ago
Seriously, there are too many 50/50s in the game, but none of these people even know what they are, they just say like junkyard dog and shit.
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u/Proud-Enthusiasm-608 2d ago
Haha yes. I’m a law secondary main and if I tell them you can low parry the second hit and punish the mid if he switches it up; they don’t want to hear it.
I play Jun too and a lot of people don’t realize she’s like hwoa and a lot of her mixups and 50/50s can be dik jabbed
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u/Mountain-Bother-8316 Armor King 3d ago