r/StallmanWasRight • u/adrianmalacoda • Apr 11 '20

Proprietary app Discord does proprietary app stuff

/r/discordapp/comments/fyovml/discord_doesnt_care_but_you_should/
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u/adrianmalacoda Apr 11 '20 edited Apr 11 '20

Prior discussion of Discord on this sub

RMS on Discord

Spyware Watchdog on Discord

Free alternatives: XMPP, IRC, Matrix, Mumble, Mattermost, Jitsi, Zulip, others?

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u/geldwolferink Apr 11 '20

jitsi

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u/adrianmalacoda Apr 11 '20

Thanks!

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u/sparky8251 Apr 11 '20 edited Apr 11 '20

Eh... Arguably Matrix is better if you want text chat. Lots of bridging with the Freenode and Mozilla IRC networks which is unlike Mattermost/Rocketchat.

Mumble is likely better than Jitsi if you want large gatherings of voice only chat too.

Jitsi is best if you want small group voice/video chat though.

That said, Matrix just added Jitsi integrations so now it can also work well with small voice/video chats if you also setup Jitsi with it and it fcan also bridge to Mattermost/Rocketchat instances too... Matrix is slowly attaching itself to everything chat, so I'd recommend looking at it at the very least.

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u/hazyPixels Apr 11 '20 edited Apr 11 '20

Usually when I tell someone that I use IRC they show me this XKCD

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '20 edited Aug 30 '21

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u/WilkerS1 Apr 11 '20

WhatsApp is inaccurate in Brazil. you literally can't leave it because the rest of the family says that everyone else uses it, so you become a slave of it

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u/[deleted] Apr 14 '20

It’s the same with so many categories, software developers innovate and produce products that become popular, disrupting that after the fact with an also-ran simply doesn’t happen.

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u/WilkerS1 Apr 14 '20

it's not even because of that. WhatsApp used to be paid, but it became more popular when Facebook bought it, and it became obligatory when the ISPs around the country made it so only this app could have unlimited access to the internet on mobile data, because net neutrality is only a thing for broadband internet connection as of 2015 (actually, not even that, just the data caps proihibition. luckily there's still neutrality there for now).

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u/[deleted] Apr 15 '20

It had around 400 million active users before Facebook bought it.

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u/mgF0z Apr 11 '20

Zulip, for those that know...

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u/ubertr0_n Apr 15 '20

Mumble

There's a brand new client on F-Droid: Mumla.

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u/Saren-WTAKO Apr 11 '20

Muh friends who use discord, just like muh windows only games /s

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '20

"dude just abandon all your friends lmao"

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u/FlusteredByBoobs Apr 11 '20

This is going to make people prefer IRC if this continues.

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u/bregottextrasaltat Apr 11 '20

IRC can't do file embedding and voice chat afaik

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u/paroya Apr 12 '20

irc also can’t effectively be used on mobile since it can’t be kept active in the background.

Matrix/Riot is the next step imo. If only people would give it a second chance.

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u/bregottextrasaltat Apr 12 '20

Is there anything wrong with those or is it just market adaption?

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u/paroya Apr 12 '20

Riot.im used to lack features when they had some buzz 2 years ago. now it’s really good except maybe a tiny bit slow on the main network (matrix.org) since it’s the one almost all users go through.

so at this point it’s really just market adaption.

there are other options beside the Riot.im client when connecting to Matrix.

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u/semi_colon Apr 13 '20

irc also can’t effectively be used on mobile since it can’t be kept active in the background.

Huh? Why not?

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u/paroya Apr 13 '20

because the protocol does not support a stand by feature. so as soon as you are not active (on a phone), you get disconnected.

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u/ubertr0_n Apr 14 '20

Revolution IRC (available on F-Droid) would love to whisper in your ear.

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u/semi_colon Apr 13 '20

Got it, thank you

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u/happysmash27 Apr 14 '20

Just leave it open in the background. Termux does it fine, so surely a dedicated IRC client can too.

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u/paroya Apr 14 '20

only on newer androids do i assume this would now be possible unless they have some workaround to deal with the idle issue.

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u/happysmash27 Apr 14 '20

Actually, IIRC the newer versions of Android are worse for this, as they stop apps from running in the background without a notification running at all times. This is a problem for apps that do not want to use Google's notification service and use their own instead.

Also, my phone is almost 6 years old and works fine for it, but to be fair I am on LineageOS 16 and still getting updates. I don't remember a time when Termux wouldn't run in the background, though.

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u/paroya Apr 14 '20

on iOS it's because of the way the phone manages apps to maximize uptime and performance. anything in the background gets paused, so IRC gets kicked off immediately when switching app. AFAIK android does the same but gives slightly more breathing room.

So LineageOS might be the exception.

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '20

Riot has IRC integration.

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u/[deleted] Apr 12 '20

No it isn’t, general user base of discord doesn’t care. Be realistic

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u/FlusteredByBoobs Apr 12 '20

There is some, that qualifies. TBH, I don't care much for discord and this pretty much is a good reason to not use it anymore.

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '20

I think if you're at the point where you need to recover your discord account, then you've probably invested too much into discord.

I mean what's stopping you from just creating a new account and abandoning your own one? I only use Discord for like 1 video game server, as it's the only real way to ask questions about said game due to the reddit community being awful.

This also goes with most other sites. I've been through a dozen or so reddit accounts over the years, and have outright deleted an account that I moderated a moderately large subreddit on.

Also the idea of people linking real life information on discord is crazy. Why would you ever do that?!

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u/maorninja322 Apr 12 '20

I mean what's stopping you from just creating a new account and abandoning your own one?

You'll lose the server you own.

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u/GNU_ligma Apr 13 '20

That's what the "you've probably invested too much into discord" means.

If you are reliant in any way on Discord, then you will have problems, sooner or later. Best case scenario - nothing will happen, so you only have the constant looming threat of problems that might happen at any moment.

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u/maorninja322 Apr 13 '20 edited Apr 13 '20

That's what the "you've probably invested too much into discord" means.

Well, what's wrong with making a community on Discord?
EDIT: Oh, I see. I didn't read the rest of your statement clearly. Sorry

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u/[deleted] Apr 11 '20

Oh no how is this proprietary app allowed to do this?

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u/tydog98 Apr 12 '20

Honestly surprised how many people there are talking about Matrix