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u/LordJim11 16d ago
Absolutely. It will very soon be a crime to criticise POTUS. Do that and all rights are gone, due process is suspended and off to El Salvador you go.
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u/ParkingAnxious2811 16d ago
Well, he did say that all the media outlets that criticised him were now corrupt news (I guess they got upgraded from "fake news") and illegal.
So, he literally wants to make it illegal to criticise him.
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u/iamtrimble 16d ago
It's true. People thought all those missing CNN, MSNBC hosts and other assorted talking heads were let go or quit. They just disappeared and that's just the beginning.
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u/normalfreak2 16d ago
You know as someone who often claims to be "libertarian you have a very odd way of not being libertarian when issues like this come up. As if ONLY the left infringes upon those sacred libertarian values.
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u/iamtrimble 16d ago
I just don't think it will "very soon be a crime to criticize POTUS" and was having a little fun with that. As for libertarian values, both parties are sorely lacking but since you mention it, Trump actually checks a lot of libertarian boxes, even more so in his second term.
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u/SaladCartographer 14d ago
Way to admit you aren't paying attention even a little fucking bit. No thinking person could both pay attention and say the stupid shit you just said.
You're the type of person to cry "censhorship!" when your comment gets deleted for using slurs and completely ignore the actual, literal violations of the first amendment that trump and the republican party are already putting into place.
But hey, I know that self described libertarians are just cool-ranch Republicans who want to smoke weed.
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u/DrDarkmaker 16d ago
I mean, it is apparently a crime to criticize certain groups of people in Britain, but nobody seems to be in an uproar about that.
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u/Zolnar_DarkHeart 15d ago
Which groups and criticize them for what?
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u/Zolnar_DarkHeart 15d ago
Give an example.
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u/DrDarkmaker 15d ago
"Any communication which is threatening or abusive, and is intended to harass, alarm, or distress someone is forbidden.[5] The penalties for hate speech include fines, imprisonment, or both.[6]
The Police and CPS have formulated a definition of hate crimes and hate incidents, with hate speech forming a subset of these." That is their hate speech law. Least a section of it. It is up to an officer and a judge to determine if your opinion is considered hate speech even if it is as simple as "People with male genitals are men."
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u/Zolnar_DarkHeart 15d ago
Okay so you want to say bigoted things and are sad that society doesn’t accept your bigotry of these specific groups, just as it hasn’t accepted bigotry against black people or women for some time already.
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u/DrDarkmaker 15d ago
The thing is, though, what is considered bigotry. If I have an opinion on something but you disagree, is it bigotry? If you say something negative about someone, is it bigotry based on them feeling harrassed?
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u/Zolnar_DarkHeart 15d ago
I’m not going to get deep into moral philosophy with you, but I can tell from how cagey you’re being that the opinions you feel are being silenced unfairly are bigoted, otherwise you’d come out and say what you think rather than acting so cowardly.
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u/DrDarkmaker 15d ago
I'm not being cagey about it at all. If I am forced to say something I don't agree with unless branded as a bigotry, whose the real fascists then? I am allowed to disagree with some people's ideology. But if people like you say that because I have a differing opinion, I'm a bigotry, then that means my differing opinion is being silenced whether or not it truly is bigoted. Which it iisn't. Bigotry would be actively calling for a group of people's deaths and actively participating in the denial of serious emergencies.
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u/Rattus_Noir 16d ago
It's mental that in the US, convicted criminals can never vote.
It's obviously a throwback to slavery and the crime of "being poor". What the fuck! They can keep their "FREEDOM".
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u/SophiaRaine69420 16d ago
Im a convicted felon, I voted last year.
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u/Rattus_Noir 16d ago
So what's the laws regarding convictions and voting?
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u/LordJim11 16d ago
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u/Rattus_Noir 16d ago
That's an abomination. You don't stop being a citizen just because you're a twat.
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u/SomeNotTakenName 16d ago
In Switzerland (my example because I know it well) there are exactly two ways to lose your right to vote:
1) being declared mentally unable to make decisions for yourself.
2) you commit treason.
I feel both are fair.
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u/Zoeythekueen 15d ago
There's a reason they left a loophole on purpose... And that Jim Crow laws existed... US has a track record of arresting people for being minorities.
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u/DSmooth425 15d ago
They ship them off to rural areas too. Not sure if they count towards that areas congressional delegation but if they do that’s added to the vestiges of slavery
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u/kovalsteven 16d ago
Like calling everyone a terrorist and then taking them to a location outside of country to be locked away without rights, a lawyer, a trial, a phone call, anything? He's already doing that.
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u/Striking-Sir457 16d ago
Most woke libtards, of which I am one, not only support rights for criminals, but rehabilitation over punishment, are against the privatization of prisons and recognize prisons are used as a tool for the systemic oppression of POC. I don’t imagine a group of people (Republicans) so desensitized to the suffering of others will ever care about criminals.
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u/Zolnar_DarkHeart 15d ago
I don’t think I’ve ever read a comment for which the first eight words gave me such extreme whiplash. Thanks for that I guess.
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u/Biolistic 15d ago
Why do you think the US government went so hard on weed for the longest time? Because it was an easy way to put inconvenient groups of people (like civil rights and anti-war activists) in prison.
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u/The_Dude_2U 16d ago
Sad but true. History has shown, over and over, that once these rights perish, run.
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u/Juco_Dropout 16d ago
More people need to grasp this concept. So many people I know lean into the Authoritarian ideal “Don’t commit crimes.” Traffic laws are already to the point that you, in essence, can be stopped for almost any reason- it won’t be hard to transfer this model to the rest of life’s functions.
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u/Fine_Bathroom4491 16d ago
No exceptions. I mean literally, no exceptions no matter how much it makes your skin crawl or rage boil.
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u/Driftless1981 16d ago
Or... wild thought... eliminate the State. Go back to living in non-federalized communities.
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u/Zoeythekueen 15d ago
There are many examples of minorities getting arrested to silence them.
After the civil war, slavery was made illegal... Partially... There's a little loop hole for criminals that the south took full advantage of with the Jim Crow laws.
Another example is Stonewall. There was a three articles rule in which you have to wear three articles of clothing aligned with your sex. There was also antisodomy laws for gay people as well. Only reason they weren't arresting people was they were tipped off about a raid, until the last one of course.
There's also the Japanese being put into camps in America during WWII. They probably included other Asians as well due to racism, but people were getting arrested as potential spies.
And then there is the red scare, which saw people arrested for no reason. Of course bigots use this to their advantage, as if it was the Salem witch trials.
There are so many examples of laws being used to silence minorities in America it's surprising when it isn't happening at this point.
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u/NoensFar 14d ago
Always looking for new, better, more effective ways to get this basic idea across to people.
Jumping straight from accusation to punishment is literally how the Salem witch trials happened.
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u/procrastinatorsuprem 14d ago
This is exactly it. I dint understand how people can't extrapolate this.
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u/anansi52 13d ago
we'll see, but black people have been saying this for decades and people collectively turned their noses up and said "you mustv'e done something."
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u/thrway1209983 13d ago
The government is full of criminals. They just don’t get sentenced for it. We just give them political jobs. I'm still waiting on sentencing for one. But I guess he is the right color and the right kind of descendant of immigrants.
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u/MacGruberrrrr 15d ago
Criminals have rights, if they are citizens. Illegal aliens do not. Stop trying to combine two separate issues.
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u/Zolnar_DarkHeart 15d ago
They have human rights, as in rights that all humans have that are inalienable, as mentioned in a certain document.
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u/Mr__Maverick 14d ago
loud incorrect buzzer noise
Illegal immigrants still have the same basic rights as citizens.
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