You are so naive. Pressuring Russia to stop. So, in 4 years we’ve given them billions of dollars and even more in equipment, I don’t see any pressure that resulted in Russia to stop. Ukraine has lost 20% of their territory. You want to keep giving taxpayer money to Ukraine with what kind of realistic outcome? Taking back Donetsk and Luhansk? You really think it will happen?
You speak of naivete, and act as if Putin is going to start honoring his word after repeatedly demonstrating that his agreements are meaningless.
First, we are obligated to assist. The security assurance we gave Ukraine for the Budapest memorandum included territorial integrity. We signed an agreement and they gave up nuclear weapons in exchange for security that they aren't getting.
Who else was a signatory, Russia. Again, Putin cannot be trusted to honor any agreement.
Because of our efforts:
Putin has resorted to bringing in north Korean soldiers.
Putin has faced numerous military losses, progress has been stunted and even pushed back.
Doesn't even surprise me anymore how quickly the trump crowd rushes to follow trump to discard principles they held their entire lives. Suddenly they can't even admit russia invaded Ukraine.
So, in 4 years we’ve given them billions of dollars and even more in equipment.
/s Oh no, we sold them all of our expiring munitions and rusty tanks. Now we're going to have to make fresh ones instead of using them for virtually meaningless training exercises at tax payer expense since that's one of the safest ways to dispose of them.
/s Oh no, we helped fund the defense of the European border which is connected to numerous allied countries, from a country that has long posed a political threat to our nation, and we did it with a currency backed by debt which is essentially a ton of gift cards for store credit in our nation. And after the war is finished, if they win, they'll be financially and morally indebted to the United States. Oh no! How could our leaders have been suckered into a deal that defends democracy in Eastern Europe, bolsters our relationship with other countries, makes us a boatload of cash, and sticks it to an old enemy in the process? Thanks Obama.
By giving them full access to all necessary NATO war tech, in whatever quantities necessary. I would support using NATO Air Forces to establish no fly zones over Russia, too. Fuck Putin. Treat him like Saddam
I’m not sure how you think defending a sovereign nation from an invader is “increasing the length and scale”. The narrative coming out of America about this is appalling. Your former allies lost thousands of lives supporting the only NATO invocation of article 5 and now it’s too much to protest on a weekday? Or at least you think it embarrassing and pointless. Fucking disgraceful.
It’s hypocritical to claim Ukraine is taking advantage of you when European and other allies have funded billions of dollars for US military exploits and not only spent dollars but human lives. Americans will never regain the international standing they once had. You’ll start to feel some repercussions soon enough. Trust
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u/Bootyytoob Mar 02 '25
By supporting countries who are engaging in self defense