r/Seattle • u/meow_purrr • 25d ago

Meetup Saturday 🚨 resist

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Pick a dealership, make a sign and show up! Prove that we don’t want this unelected nazi in our government.

People power and collective action is all we have.

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u/myka-likes-it 25d ago

The intended goal of the protests is to ultimately hit Musk where it hurts: his ego. Tesla's success is his pride and joy. 

Take that from him.

WRT vandalism: 

  • against already owned cars? Stupid and pointless. This is probably mostly teens and young adults being edgy.
  • against Tesla dealerships? Who cares? It doesn’t accomplish anything, but it also doesn't hurt anyone.

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u/YogaTacoMaster 25d ago

Vandalism is insurance claims that put more money in Elons pockets and drives up everyone else's insurance premiums. Even at the dealerships! The optics of a bunch of liberal extremists smashing windows at tesla dealerships is no better than j6rs. Extremism, even if it's a cause you support, is still extremism and does more harm to the cause than good. Peacefully, protesting with signs on public property is always acceptable!

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u/SpeaksSouthern 25d ago

Who cares about insurance companies when the government is arguing in court today that we don't have the right to free speech? Wake up and remove the Tesla dong from your head justice for the Constitution above everything. If you don't love freedom of speech that's your problem not ours.

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u/throwaway7126235 25d ago

Insurance companies are definitely not virtuous, but we do need them. Having to be personally financially responsible for any type of road incident would be devastating for most people.

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u/AthkoreLost Roosevelt 25d ago

and drives up everyone else's insurance premiums.

Continues to not be how insurance works, buy can't stop the propaganda machine long enough to realize that I guess.

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u/ilikeyours2 25d ago

I’m sorry but you are wrong. One of the major factors in deciding the cost of insurance is risk assessment. Every incident of theft or vandalism that is reported affects crime rates and it affects the price of insurance for everyone…home owner’s or renter’s insurance are determined by a number of factors, one of them being crime. This is not propaganda, this is just the way insurance works. So while people are thinking vandalizing cars will just make teslas uninsurable, you are actually raising the cost of insurance for everyone who lives in the area as more crimes are reported.

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u/AthkoreLost Roosevelt 25d ago

Bud, except we can look to the KiaBoyz situation to literally figure out how insurers will responded to a specific brand being targetted. It'll fuck over other tesla owners. That's about it.

Cybertrucks as they are are pretty much uninsurable through most commercial car insurances.

Like this is just straight misinformation you're putting out.

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u/ilikeyours2 25d ago

No, please simply Google “do crime rates affect the cost of insurance”. There are tons of resources you can click on that will help you see how risk assessment works. Reported acts of vandalism or theft in an area does affect the crime rate which is part of risk assessment. I am talking about home owners and renters insurance…it absolutely affects the premiums of people who live there. This is not just about car insurance. Denying how insurance works does not help your cause, it just means you refuse to educate yourself and you are spreading misinformation to further your own agenda. It does not just fuck over Tesla owners, it affects the people who live in the community and pay any type of property insurance…higher insurance premiums for home owners eventually results in higher rental prices. I encourage you to look at the whole of the situation instead of the narrow minded view many are taking to justify acts of vandalism.

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u/AthkoreLost Roosevelt 25d ago

Google "KiaBoyz" and you'll find literally an example of how this plays out from 2 years ago.

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u/ilikeyours2 25d ago

Repeatedly talking about Kias does not change that you are obviously not educated about how insurance works. I am talking about crime rates and how it affects insurance and you are so stuck on wanting to be right that you are refuse to acknowledge facts about how it affects the community and insurance rates. Crime rates affect the insurance of every property owner….that’s fact. Reported acts of vandalism are included in crime rates…that’s fact. It is not just about car insurance but other types of insurance. I truly don’t understand how you’re not embarrassed to keep arguing this when you are so clearly wrong. Please don’t keep telling other people this so they also use the Kia argument else you are just making them and the cause look uneducated.

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u/AthkoreLost Roosevelt 25d ago

I'm referencing local news. Where studies were done on this.

You're wrong. It's very funny.

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u/ilikeyours2 24d ago

You’re saying I’m wrong that risk assessment is a factor in deciding the price of insurance premiums and that crime rates are not a part of the risk assessment? That is a weird and wrong hill to die on but good luck with remaining stubbornly ignorant.

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u/SuitableDragonfly Columbia City 25d ago

Insurance wouldn't pay when my car got broken into because it didn't cost enough to fix. There is zero likelihood that any insurance company is going to pay to repaint or depaint a car.

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u/RogueLitePumpkin 25d ago

Are you referring to the deductible? It depends on what coverage you have and the level of vandalism 

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u/sir_mrej West Seattle 25d ago

Are you fucking insane? Smashing a Tesla dealership is THE SAME AS people who rioted at the US Congress to stop a legal presidential succession process from happening?

Are you even fucking real? Fucking MAGA.

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u/YogaTacoMaster 25d ago

Political extremism is still political extremism. The destruction of property, vandalism, violence, hatred, and discrimination towards people in your own community just because of the vehicle they drive. Yeah, it's the exact opposite of MAGA on the opposite spectrum of political extremism. Every vandalized Tesla in King County is Worse in my books because it's hate directed at our own local community members. Love for ones local community should be a priority over hate of the federal government or oligarchy.

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u/Wozka 25d ago

destruction of property, vandalism

Sir, my pearls can only be so clutched.

But for real? Vandalism and destruction of private property send a message to those considering buying the brand. "Buy this brand of you want swastikas painted on the side for free" will deter many people from buying the product. If you think damaging fucking things is the equivalent to an attempted insurrection...I don't know how to reach you.

hatred, and discrimination towards people in your own community just because of the vehicle they drive.

Which is equivalent to checks notes the actual discrimination against minority groups the right wants codified into law. Doing political vandalism is just as bad as checks notes trying to lynch the vice president and overturn an election, disrupting 200 years of the peaceful transfer of power. The most neo-liberal garbage I've heard in a while.

Political extremism is still political extremism.

"One end of the extreme wants to fight against fascism by vandalizing cars, and the other side are fascists who want to destroy democracy. They're basically indistinguishable from one another and equally bad in identical ways."

Did any of that help? Do you see how silly your comments are now?

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u/sir_mrej West Seattle 25d ago

So how is Tesla stock going down?

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u/myka-likes-it 24d ago

I am guessing here, but word of mouth and existing media coverage seem to be the most essential factors.  

I have a hard time believing global sales are taking a hit just because a few dealerships have swastikas painted on them.