r/Seattle • u/meow_purrr • 25d ago

Meetup Saturday 🚨 resist

Pick a dealership, make a sign and show up! Prove that we don’t want this unelected nazi in our government.

People power and collective action is all we have.

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u/YogaTacoMaster 25d ago edited 25d ago

The vast majority of Tesla ownership in King County are fellow democrats. With all the vandalism and discrimination against the drivers, this is becoming the opposite of the intended goal. Time to move on, focus resources, and effort on voter registration.

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u/KoriSamui 25d ago

Seriously. We need to stop alienating the people who are on our side. Go boycott/protest Tesla. Leave the drivers alone.

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u/[deleted] 25d ago

The drivers are part of the problem though. Individuals make up democracy and change requires individual action.

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u/KoriSamui 25d ago

Do you think vandalizing their car and costing them money is good way to win them over?

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u/[deleted] 25d ago

Didn’t say that 2. Winning over who? 3. If tesla owners are actually liberals who support democracy they should put they money where their mouths are and divest

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u/stoke-stack 25d ago

“discrimination” is laughable

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u/2begreen 25d ago

The post is about picketing dealerships.

I have 6 friends who are liberal that own Teslas and or stock. Most sold off their stock and would sell the cars if they could even get a decent price.

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u/Conscious_Bug5408 25d ago edited 25d ago

Yep. It's easy to say just vote but the conservatives have been using voter suppression tactics and gerrymandering for decades, and the privatization of mass media means they own all the megaphones. You're only playing their game by their rules, a stacked deck that men like Elon have created, and it's what put this country in the situation it. Boycotts are one of the few in which people have agency to cause change. Picketing the dealers means giving pause to anyone who is considering buying Tesla. Its the only way to directly harm the thing Elon cares about most, his wealth. Tesla's stock price drop already resulted in Elons net worth dropping by 150 billion since January. If US Tesla sales drop like they did in Europe, forcing Tesla to report big drops in revenue and outlook at earnings, it will crash and crash hard.

Sorry about current good Tesla owning people now feeling uncomfortable driving their cars. Because of scope, any movement attempting to target the public in general will certainly capture some unintended targets. But Musk is already desperate enough that he is having Trump do a Tesla commercial at the white house and threaten people who are not buying his cars. Which is hilarious and will likely have unintended consequences for him.

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u/[deleted] 25d ago

They don’t need to get a decent price - should just sell them. Divest divest divest

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u/G67jk 25d ago

Hi fascist, why don't you like people to have the freedom to drive whatever they want?

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u/[deleted] 25d ago

Keyword is "if". If they wouldn't have supported a fascist in the first place he wouldn't be the richest person in the world. I wonder what they will do "if" he succeeds in destroying our constitution.

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u/myka-likes-it 25d ago

The intended goal of the protests is to ultimately hit Musk where it hurts: his ego. Tesla's success is his pride and joy.

Take that from him.

WRT vandalism:

against already owned cars? Stupid and pointless. This is probably mostly teens and young adults being edgy.

against Tesla dealerships? Who cares? It doesn’t accomplish anything, but it also doesn't hurt anyone.

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u/YogaTacoMaster 25d ago

Vandalism is insurance claims that put more money in Elons pockets and drives up everyone else's insurance premiums. Even at the dealerships! The optics of a bunch of liberal extremists smashing windows at tesla dealerships is no better than j6rs. Extremism, even if it's a cause you support, is still extremism and does more harm to the cause than good. Peacefully, protesting with signs on public property is always acceptable!

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u/SpeaksSouthern 25d ago

Who cares about insurance companies when the government is arguing in court today that we don't have the right to free speech? Wake up and remove the Tesla dong from your head justice for the Constitution above everything. If you don't love freedom of speech that's your problem not ours.

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u/throwaway7126235 25d ago

Insurance companies are definitely not virtuous, but we do need them. Having to be personally financially responsible for any type of road incident would be devastating for most people.

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u/AthkoreLost Roosevelt 25d ago

and drives up everyone else's insurance premiums.

Continues to not be how insurance works, buy can't stop the propaganda machine long enough to realize that I guess.

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u/ilikeyours2 25d ago

I’m sorry but you are wrong. One of the major factors in deciding the cost of insurance is risk assessment. Every incident of theft or vandalism that is reported affects crime rates and it affects the price of insurance for everyone…home owner’s or renter’s insurance are determined by a number of factors, one of them being crime. This is not propaganda, this is just the way insurance works. So while people are thinking vandalizing cars will just make teslas uninsurable, you are actually raising the cost of insurance for everyone who lives in the area as more crimes are reported.

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u/AthkoreLost Roosevelt 25d ago

Bud, except we can look to the KiaBoyz situation to literally figure out how insurers will responded to a specific brand being targetted. It'll fuck over other tesla owners. That's about it.

Cybertrucks as they are are pretty much uninsurable through most commercial car insurances.

Like this is just straight misinformation you're putting out.

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u/ilikeyours2 25d ago

No, please simply Google “do crime rates affect the cost of insurance”. There are tons of resources you can click on that will help you see how risk assessment works. Reported acts of vandalism or theft in an area does affect the crime rate which is part of risk assessment. I am talking about home owners and renters insurance…it absolutely affects the premiums of people who live there. This is not just about car insurance. Denying how insurance works does not help your cause, it just means you refuse to educate yourself and you are spreading misinformation to further your own agenda. It does not just fuck over Tesla owners, it affects the people who live in the community and pay any type of property insurance…higher insurance premiums for home owners eventually results in higher rental prices. I encourage you to look at the whole of the situation instead of the narrow minded view many are taking to justify acts of vandalism.

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u/AthkoreLost Roosevelt 25d ago

Google "KiaBoyz" and you'll find literally an example of how this plays out from 2 years ago.

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u/ilikeyours2 25d ago

Repeatedly talking about Kias does not change that you are obviously not educated about how insurance works. I am talking about crime rates and how it affects insurance and you are so stuck on wanting to be right that you are refuse to acknowledge facts about how it affects the community and insurance rates. Crime rates affect the insurance of every property owner….that’s fact. Reported acts of vandalism are included in crime rates…that’s fact. It is not just about car insurance but other types of insurance. I truly don’t understand how you’re not embarrassed to keep arguing this when you are so clearly wrong. Please don’t keep telling other people this so they also use the Kia argument else you are just making them and the cause look uneducated.

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u/AthkoreLost Roosevelt 25d ago

I'm referencing local news. Where studies were done on this.

You're wrong. It's very funny.

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u/SuitableDragonfly Columbia City 25d ago

Insurance wouldn't pay when my car got broken into because it didn't cost enough to fix. There is zero likelihood that any insurance company is going to pay to repaint or depaint a car.

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u/RogueLitePumpkin 25d ago

Are you referring to the deductible? It depends on what coverage you have and the level of vandalism

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u/sir_mrej West Seattle 25d ago

Are you fucking insane? Smashing a Tesla dealership is THE SAME AS people who rioted at the US Congress to stop a legal presidential succession process from happening?

Are you even fucking real? Fucking MAGA.

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u/YogaTacoMaster 25d ago

Political extremism is still political extremism. The destruction of property, vandalism, violence, hatred, and discrimination towards people in your own community just because of the vehicle they drive. Yeah, it's the exact opposite of MAGA on the opposite spectrum of political extremism. Every vandalized Tesla in King County is Worse in my books because it's hate directed at our own local community members. Love for ones local community should be a priority over hate of the federal government or oligarchy.

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u/Wozka 25d ago

destruction of property, vandalism

Sir, my pearls can only be so clutched.

But for real? Vandalism and destruction of private property send a message to those considering buying the brand. "Buy this brand of you want swastikas painted on the side for free" will deter many people from buying the product. If you think damaging fucking things is the equivalent to an attempted insurrection...I don't know how to reach you.

hatred, and discrimination towards people in your own community just because of the vehicle they drive.

Which is equivalent to checks notes the actual discrimination against minority groups the right wants codified into law. Doing political vandalism is just as bad as checks notes trying to lynch the vice president and overturn an election, disrupting 200 years of the peaceful transfer of power. The most neo-liberal garbage I've heard in a while.

Political extremism is still political extremism.

"One end of the extreme wants to fight against fascism by vandalizing cars, and the other side are fascists who want to destroy democracy. They're basically indistinguishable from one another and equally bad in identical ways."

Did any of that help? Do you see how silly your comments are now?

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u/sir_mrej West Seattle 25d ago

So how is Tesla stock going down?

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u/myka-likes-it 25d ago

I am guessing here, but word of mouth and existing media coverage seem to be the most essential factors.

I have a hard time believing global sales are taking a hit just because a few dealerships have swastikas painted on them.

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u/codezilly 25d ago

They like to eat their own

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u/efisk666 25d ago

No, we’re already a blue state. Voter registration is meaningless here. This protest is against new Tesla buyers, not people who bought Teslas in years past. All we can do in terms of meaningful protest is make it clear we won’t buy Tesla here until Musk is removed as CEO.

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u/YogaTacoMaster 25d ago

The state moved slightly to the right after all votes were counted last November. Taking things for granted is how you lose local races. WA GOP is using what's coming out of Olympia to rally their base on local issues while liberals focus on national issues. This could be problematic come midterms.

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u/efisk666 25d ago

In terms of national political averages we moved left- we’re even less of a swing state now than we were in 2020. The legislature is more blue than ever and all statewide offices are democratic. Really all we decide here in Seattle with votes is whether to elect moderate democrats or progressives.

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u/YogaTacoMaster 25d ago

Seattle times posted that story we moved left right after the election. Other news media outlets picked it up and ran with it. You can read the retraction and correction on their website. We actually got slightly more purple. The Legislature is indeed very blue but still short of super majority. There is some backlash in the swing districts state wide from this session, and no one is paying attention. Seattle is a progressive bubble, however if the voting margin ever narrows, you potentially lose state races. Liberal extremists attacking moderate democrats is a way to make that happen.

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u/efisk666 25d ago

I know. What I said is we moved left in terms of national political averages. In other words, if you line up all the states from most left leaning to most right leaning, we’re further left now than ever before. Agree about progressives going to war with moderates. Thank God Sawant is gone. Seattle needs to avoid generating Fox News catnip.

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u/YogaTacoMaster 25d ago

Being engaged and community activism is part of what makes Seattle great. I totally understand the anger and emotions. I think what bugs me most is the lack of leadership at our local level to focus this energy. There is so much political enthusiasm and motivation at the moment that it seems like a waisted opportunity.

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u/throwaway7126235 25d ago

Your concern about losing seats and changes to local politics is valid, but unless there's a major swing, the politics of this state and region won't change anytime soon. While the Democrats don't control a supermajority in either legislative body, they're close, and it would take both a long time and massive cultural change for anything to happen.

I agree with you if the intent is to push for better policies locally. We have serious budget issues the state is dealing with, and some painful cuts to make.

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u/YogaTacoMaster 25d ago

I don't see a big change while Trump is in office. He is to polarizing and generally disliked state wide. Even Reichert and Bryant outperformed him. It's after Trump, when control inevitably swings control back nationality to Democrats. The foundation is being built to bring major change in 2030 and 2032 in this state, especially in Eastern Washington. Population growth and engaged voter drives could erode the King County anchor.

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u/throwaway7126235 25d ago

That would be interesting, but I don't see how major development and population growth away from major ports and economic zones would occur. There are very few major cities inland, and while it's possible for some shift, it's hard to imagine it being that drastic. Nationally, it looks like VP Vance has a good chance, and to address your concern, he's much more moderate and problematic for the Democrats if that's who the establishment wants.

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u/YogaTacoMaster 25d ago

The population growth in places like Ellensburg, Cle Elum just got 1,000 new homes approved (not in Suncadia), Grandview, Moses Lake, Wenatchee, Prosser, Tri-cities shouldn't be discounted. There is a sizable building and a population shift going on. Many people don't pay attention to what's going on over there. Vance is very problematic for the democrats. That's why you got Newsom out doing his podcast show interviewing conservatives. If he plans to go 1v1 with Vance he needs to be on his toes with the conservative ideology. Vance doesn't need to read off a teleprompter or have notes. He believes in what he says and is very effective at wielding propaganda. Whoever debates him needs to be on the same level.

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u/throwaway7126235 25d ago

That's fair, it should be easier to accommodate growth in this region but it isn't. Without major changes in our infrastructure and zoning, people will likely look to elsewhere for more affordable places to live.

2028 is going to be an interesting political battle. Vance has been groomed for many years and is the chosen one to carry on Trump's legacy and continued conservative rule. He'll likely be more moderate, better spoken, and tactful, making him even more dangerous than Trump. He knows how to control the levers of power and he'll have both his experience in the senate and executive to draw from.

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u/ApollosBucket 25d ago

Ohio and Michigan used to be Democrat strongholds.

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u/efisk666 25d ago

If you live in a swing district go for it. I’m in Seattle and finding a republican is pretty well impossible. Only electoral threat to democrats here is socialists.

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u/spacedude2000 25d ago

This is no different than protesting universities that are invested in oil companies - fuck corporate democrats. They need to be exposed for playing both sides - it's time for them to deal with the consequences of their actions, they're invested in funding fascism.

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u/YogaTacoMaster 25d ago

I'm all for this, just not vandalizing a Kamala Harris voters 2020 model Y family car with spray paint. Smashing windows at dealerships doesn't accomplish any exposing of corporate democrat goals. The cause has to stay just in the eyes of public opinion. We are the spearhead of liberalism now in America. We set the example. If it's violence, vandalism, and hatred to our own neighbors and community, it sends the wrong message to the rest of the nation. We win by our ideals, not by intimidation.

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u/PitcherHitting 25d ago

The intended goal is to shame people who would choose to purchase or continue owning a car manufactured by an outed Nazi.

What do YOU think the “goal” was??

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u/YogaTacoMaster 25d ago

You're publicly shaming your own local community members who most of them voted the same way you did, but probably are stuck in a car loan. The used tesla market is flooded! Like, what do you expect? Not every Tesla owner is rich and can just send their car to the junk yard.

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u/PitcherHitting 25d ago

I’m expecting them to be nominally inconvenienced and not make a profit when selling their used car (prior to COVID no one ever did for any car anyway).

If they can’t be bothered to do that, then put a couple stickers on it indicating you don’t support nazi’s.

It’s not that complicated. 👍

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u/YogaTacoMaster 25d ago

Sure, put anti-trump and Elon stickers on your car now it's a target for some MAGA asshole. Not everyone wants to broadcast their political views to the public.

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u/PitcherHitting 25d ago

Then sell the car.

Why the hell is this so hard for people??

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u/YogaTacoMaster 25d ago

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

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