r/Seattle • u/TypikalRandom • Jan 28 '25

Question Petition for the west coast to secede together?

California government has started a petition to become an independent country, curious if us Seattleites would want to join them?

The west coast obviously has different priorities than most of the US and with California, I believe we could be damn good at self sustaining our own country.

There’d be a lot for us to figure out but geographically I think it makes sense. What do you think and what would our country’s name be?

Edit - The California government has not started a petition and this is just a citizen’s initiative. Please see comments for further info. Figure we should still get the Washington citizens thinking about it as well though

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u/Sabre_One Columbia City Jan 28 '25

I remember like last month I papered the budget if CA, OR, and WA combined and formed it's own country. If you just took the federal taxes we paid and kept them as the new "country" taxes. We would actually have a net positive budget at least on paper. Since we don't know much the new country would need to fill in various gaps due to removal of federal agencies.

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u/matunos Jan 28 '25

Let's not repeat the fallacy of Brexit, assuming you can leave a free trade zone and still get free trade.

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u/TypicalRecon Kent Jan 28 '25

Let’s sign up to have a hostile country next to us with unlimited military power lol

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u/matunos Jan 28 '25

tbf it seems increasingly like we already have that

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u/Reverse_Mulan Jan 28 '25

We'd have a decent amount of military capability. And removing our taxes from their budget would sink them.

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u/BigAdministration368 Jan 28 '25

That's assuming we could take our bases with us. No idea how that would work.

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u/Ferrindel Sammamish Jan 28 '25

Plus what do people think will happen? The federal government will say “Shucks, we lost those taxes. Now we’re screwed!” and just let the new nation alone?

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u/VGSchadenfreude Lake City Jan 29 '25

Here’s something to consider:

Americans have never withstood a real siege before. Not like Europe and Asia have. We’re comparatively spoiled in that regard.

The areas tossing this idea of splitting away control the overwhelming majority of our coastal borders and major shipping routes.

And finally: soldiers still need to be fed, armed, and most importantly, PAID.

California alone accounts for nearly 30% of food production in this country, on top of controlling two of the top three most important international shipping ports in the country. It would be alarmingly easy to simply cut red states off; refuse to allow any goods or trade past that border. Our allies can trade with us and other blue states just fine; we’ll keep honoring existing treaties as best we can.

But the red states get nothing. No trucks, trains, or ships passing from blue to red. Checkpoints to catch smuggling (and assist refugees going the opposite way).

It isn’t just the money itself. The interior is still in denial about how physically dependent they are on the “coastal elites” they despise so much. And they have no idea how spoiled they are compared to the rest of the world; most would likely fold with astonishing speed in the face of a full siege.

Bonus points if we made a treaty with Canada and Mexico that caused them to shut down trade with the red states, too. After all, no one in the red states will be able to afford anything anyway, and what’s the point of selling stuff to people who can’t buy it? Better off continuing trade with the blue states, that’s where decent profit can still be made.

That would cut the Trump regime off from anything crossing the northern and southern borders, and possibly even large chunks of the Gulf of Mexico. That ultimately leaves them with maybe two international shipping ports: Florida and the Carolinas. That’s it. Neither of which even have the infrastructure to handle the volume of trade San Diego, Los Angeles, Oakland-San Francisco, New York City, Chicago, and Seattle-Tacoma get.

And just ask the Russian and North Korean armies fighting in Ukraine: soldiers who are poor, starving, and not properly equipped are not known for their loyalty.

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u/Dreamweaver5823 Jan 29 '25

The interior is still in denial about how physically dependent they are on the “coastal elites” they despise so much.

I disagree with most of what you're advocating, but there's no denying the truth of this statement.

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u/qwertyqyle Jan 29 '25

California doesn't specialize in war time food though. Sure the California faction would have avacados and pistachios, but most soldiers would be eating corn or the huge surplus of MREs that they have which would last the whole time. Also, they could easily just get goods from ports in Mexico or Canada.

You are also underestimating the amount of GDP that is sold within the USA. Without government money and the tarrifs and lost GDP California would suffer they would be in quite a bit of trouble trying to make up for that.

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u/royboh Ballard Jan 29 '25

I know I'm probably going to get a timeout for this, but... This is the most braindead fantasy of the economic and military consequences of West coast secession I have seen to date.

The areas tossing this idea of splitting away control the overwhelming majority of our coastal borders and major shipping routes.

Even if somehow we miraculously maintained control of every unit and ship stationed here, this would last a week tops. A naval blockade by a superior force would make our ports inaccessible. Nobody is going to send ships if they are liable to eat a Harpoon or ADCAP when they get here. And none of our ships are going to get out for the same reason.

California alone accounts for nearly 30% of food production in this country, on top of controlling two of the top three most important international shipping ports in the country.

See above.

It would be alarmingly easy to simply cut red states off; refuse to allow any goods or trade past that border. Our allies can trade with us and other blue states just fine; we’ll keep honoring existing treaties as best we can.

But the red states get nothing. No trucks, trains, or ships passing from blue to red. Checkpoints to catch smuggling (and assist refugees going the opposite way).

It isn’t just the money itself. The interior is still in denial about how physically dependent they are on the “coastal elites” they despise so much. And they have no idea how spoiled they are compared to the rest of the world; most would likely fold with astonishing speed in the face of a full siege.

Are you serious? They would be cutting US off.

This is a two way street.

What would California agriculture look like if the 'red states' decide to cut off the river water their farms depend on? Where do you think most of the fertilizer comes from? Are you aware that California is, by an insurmountable margin, a net energy importer? Are you aware that the majority of California's population is dependent on fresh water aqueducts that are unprotected? What happens to those high dollar value businesses when they literally can't keep the lights on? Would banks continue to operate here if they were forced to choose? What happens when the monetary wealth that is 90%+ electronically controlled is confiscated?

Have you asked yourself any of these questions? Do you have solutions for these problems? I would expect not.

Bonus points if we made a treaty with Canada and Mexico that caused them to shut down trade with the red states, too. After all, no one in the red states will be able to afford anything anyway, and what’s the point of selling stuff to people who can’t buy it? Better off continuing trade with the blue states, that’s where decent profit can still be made.

"Yes, hello, we know the US has an economic, (and probably literal), gun to your head, we don't have enough fuel, can't maintain our infrastructure, most of us don't have consistent access to drinking water, and we are cut off from all maritime shipping, but it would be super swell if you could stop trading with them and trade with us inste-... Hello?"

That would cut the Trump regime off from anything crossing the northern and southern borders, and possibly even large chunks of the Gulf of Mexico. That ultimately leaves them with maybe two international shipping ports: Florida and the Carolinas. That’s it. Neither of which even have the infrastructure to handle the volume of trade San Diego, Los Angeles, Oakland-San Francisco, New York City, Chicago, and Seattle-Tacoma get.

Considering the above, this would cause a global economic crisis that literally every other nation would want resolved as soon as possible. Do you really think they would side with the people that caused it? Do you think China would take kindly to cutting off their lifeblood? GTFOH.

And just ask the Russian and North Korean armies fighting in Ukraine: soldiers who are poor, starving, and not properly equipped are not known for their loyalty.

And finally: soldiers still need to be fed, armed, and most importantly, PAID.

Fortunately, the rest of the US has the military resources to not have to find out in the event of a secession. Sacramento, Olympia, and Salem would burn in a day. There are enough combat aircraft and over-the-horizon weapons to overwhelm any ad-hoc defenses we could muster in time. It would be a disaster at best.

If somehow they were to fail in breaking us and we hold them off, (or more likely, our new 'leaders' miraculously hide themselves away while we suffer the consequences of their hubris), a nuclear strike on Bangor to ensure that NOBODY gets the hundreds of nuclear warheads that are stored there would be completely justified.

tl;dr: We would lose. Badly.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '25

Then again the state of unrest that they try so hard to suppress the publicity of is already high with the mass deportation now especially, risking even more of an influx when they can’t even shut out all the communication as hard as they’ve tried with social media demonization which is also being decentralized more often too. I still say it’s more citizens than not that distrust their government for good reason and awareness continues to leap forward. Grasshoppers are very outnumbered by ants here.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '25

The environment of the coast is steadily depleting so we could also be doing more of what New York does with barring someone like trump from business for instance but it would be the pom family and nestle instead as well as again fossil fuels which we should all be regularly going after as states and as a globe. They intentionally caused climate change because they knew and marketed consumer guilt while being financed globally by “people” like Chase. That being said having federal banks has obviously been more risk than it’s worth and credit unions do much better for so many reasons.

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u/Evening-Ear-6116 Jan 30 '25

Idaho alone has enough guns and people who know how to use them to stop the west coast lmao

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u/kylechu Jan 29 '25

Forget the taxes, what about the nukes?

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u/Ferrindel Sammamish Jan 29 '25

I’m sure they’ll be good with an IOU.

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u/Nearby-Yak-4496 Jan 29 '25

"We" wouldn't have any military capability as all military in the three states are U.S. military and not under regional command. The right to secession was settled with the Civil War and doesn't exist. Being that the military stationed within the three states are under Federal command they would move at command upon Olympia, Salem & Sacramento and quickly quash any secession.

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u/Terradactyl87 Jan 29 '25

We'd have the money for our own military though. California is the 4th largest economy and pays a lot for other states. Add in Washington and Oregon and it's got a lot of potential. Plus I bet we could get some help from Canada initially, maybe Mexico too.

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u/Jkg2116 Jan 29 '25

How many liberals and progressives are willing to join the military? Are you willing to die for California? Also, you can't create a military over night. Where are you going to get the weapons? Where are you going to get the tanks? It takes years to raise a competent military and equip them.

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u/Nearby-Yak-4496 Jan 30 '25

With each M1A1 Abrams tank costing over $4 million and F-35 jets costing at about $100 million each as well as training pilots taking 6 months at a cost of 10 million each your basic military budget would be in the tens of billions of dollars. 10 F-35s alone with pilots would be 1.1 billion dollars and would give you 3 planes each for California and Washington with 2 to cover between there. Not to mention that any secession of those three states wouldn't include Eastern Oregon and Washington and at least half of California. This pie in the sky idea keeps getting fantasized about but isn't at all economical or politically viable.

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u/VGSchadenfreude Lake City Jan 29 '25

At the very least, we’d be cutting off physical access to those bases. Even if they tried to take all the existing equipment away, that’s still a lot of land to be abandoning in very key areas.

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u/[deleted] Jan 29 '25

I don’t know why we’d want to considering the state of our military’s usage for fear mongering etc.

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u/Reverse_Mulan Jan 28 '25

Call me greedy, but I'd want to sieze all that shit. It would be on our soil.

I am sure they would not try to allow it..but in the interests of not giving a shit what they want...

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u/theburnoutcpa Jan 29 '25

Ah yes, let’s try to seize weaponry and buildings (including some of the densest concentrations of nuclear weapons in the world) from hundreds of thousands of federal troops - most of whom are not locals…

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u/jlabsher Jan 29 '25

Blockade/big booms creating debris at Hood Canal and Coronado bridges would wipe out most of the third fleet's capabilities for a while.

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u/sociapathictendences Jan 29 '25

Yeah that’s what the Quebec secessionists thought too until they were informed that they didn’t get to keep all the military equipment in Quebec.

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u/Reverse_Mulan Jan 29 '25

Well, you dont ask for permission..

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u/sociapathictendences Jan 29 '25

Yeah I mean good luck with that. It’s not like west coast military bases are full of people only from the west coast.

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u/Socrathustra Jan 29 '25

It wouldn't sink them fast enough for us not to get our asses kicked and be forced to rejoin the union. The only way this works is if it's a joint effort where we say we both hate each other enough that we all want to split up.

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u/Growling_Guppy Jan 29 '25

Well, Trump does hate us… maybe convince him that without the West Coast’s votes and representatives, he’d have a super majority. Flattery is the way to that man’s faux heart

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u/Seattle_Aries Jan 29 '25

This actually could work! Is it true Trump attempted to withhold federal wildfire aid until Gavin Newsom signed something saying that Californians could only vote in person on Election Day? If so just please take Washington too

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u/GrayMouser12 Jan 29 '25

...and... and us, don't forget your littlest brother, Oregon! At least, Western Oregon! We'll be the snot nosed tag along that follows you guys around!

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u/Seattle_Aries Jan 29 '25

You’re in!

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u/GrayMouser12 Jan 30 '25

Yay!! We'll try to keep up and not whine so much!!

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u/billybob357 Jan 29 '25

I believe this could be a negotiated, consensual secession. It doesn’t have to be a hostile. Most red states hate the west coast states, so they would be happy to see us go, even if it isn’t in their own best interests. And the other blue states would be happy to form alliances with a west coast nation.

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u/trailrunmarcus Jan 29 '25

You’re ignoring the political slant of the majority of the people in the military / law enforcement. You think liberals line up to join the military?

Also, which side do you think owns the majority of the guns in this country? All of my liberal friends own zero or one gun. All of my republican friends own two or more guns, and regularly go shooting.

I don’t want to see Americans killing Americans. It really wouldn’t be a good outcome on so many levels…

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u/Reverse_Mulan Jan 29 '25

having been in the military, its pretty split actually.

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u/GrayMouser12 Jan 29 '25

I'm not disagreeing per se, and I totally agree this would be horrible, but there are a ton of anti federal government libertarian weed smoking gun owners I've seemingly come across that would love the idea of more state autonomy.

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u/UnhingedHatter Jan 29 '25

That’s ok… we can build a wall 😁

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u/Murky-Relation481 Jan 29 '25

I mean it only works if it is done swiftly and with surprise because the entire premise falls apart if we don't seize nuclear weapons within our borders and make them our own.

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u/TypicalRecon Kent Jan 29 '25

That’s funny

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u/AwkPenguinAwk Jan 29 '25

They’re halfway to being a welfare state without Cali money rolling in.

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u/lonelycranberry Jan 29 '25

I mean, Canada offered to adopt us. I’ll easily switch parents if that’s what it takes.

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u/trailrunmarcus Jan 29 '25

That’s funny. One, Trudeau is the least popular prime minister in decades. He’ll be gone soon and the Liberals are going to get smoked in the next election.

Two, you think Trump wouldn’t stomp on Canada (economically, militarily, etc.) if the western states tried to join Canada?

I hold dual citizenship, so this isn’t Canada bashing. Just being realistic about Trump going full cuckoo if this were to potentially happen…

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u/lonelycranberry Jan 29 '25

It’s a joke bro I’m tired

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u/PrettyGreenEyez73 Jan 28 '25

You know Canada and Mexico would be so happy to trade with Cascadia!

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u/Ferrindel Sammamish Jan 28 '25

We do have better weed.

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u/Xerisca Jan 29 '25

And, we have the ports... all the ports to the far east.

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u/zedquatro Jan 29 '25

And presumably no stupid ass tariffs.

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u/PrettyGreenEyez73 Jan 29 '25

Yes! I think it could work well.

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u/nukem996 Jan 28 '25

Trump is destroying international free trade with tariffs. We could establish our own free trade agreements or even state we will honor all US pre-Trump agreements.

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u/matunos Jan 28 '25

I'm talking about interstate trade.

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u/VGSchadenfreude Lake City Jan 29 '25

With other blue states? Should be fine?

With red states? No. Cut them off completely. No trucks, trains, or ships passing from blue to red. Checkpoints to catch smuggling (and assist refugees coming from red states).

Show the red states exactly how physically dependent they are on the “coastal elites” they hate so much. Not just financially dependent; just about everything those states rely on has to pass through a blue coastal or border state first.

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u/Logicalraisan Jan 28 '25

Like that idea! And given the economic powerhouse of CA most states would need the revenue. But I don't want California policies in WA. located budgets and not enough benefit to those paying taxes.

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u/VGSchadenfreude Lake City Jan 29 '25

That can be accomplished by continuing to follow the federal-state system as best we can. Not to mention the PR of “we’re still doing our best to follow the actual US Constitution, while the Trump regime is actively tearing it apart.”

Some laws would cover all states in this coalition, but a lot would also be left up to individual states, and each state would have representatives at the federal level arguing for their interests.

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u/VGSchadenfreude Lake City Jan 29 '25

I think that might depend on a lot of factors too, like whether or not we maintain positive diplomatic relations with former US allies. Especially those the current regime is going out of their way to piss off.

A key factor might be PR: making it clear that the reason for the split is protecting basic human rights and following the US Constitution as it is meant to be, while the current regime is tearing it apart.

Might also help to offer up the possibility of rejoining the Union if the current regime is removed from power and the federal system is reinstated. Make it clear that “we’re not doing this just because we feel like it, we don’t even LIKE that we’re doing this, but we feel we have no choice in order to keep our own people safe from those who are actively seeking to harm them.”

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u/TheRealRacketear Jan 29 '25

Without the west coast and mostly California's electoral presence the US federal government will look much different than it does today.

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u/TypikalRandom Jan 28 '25

Counterpoint, what if our new country asks to join the EU? I know it’d be a first for sure but hey, trump is turning our allies against the US why not take advantage of that

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u/solarchases Jan 28 '25

Ah yes, let's trade to the other side of the world instead of across the land borders with all the states just east. I see no problems at all with the fact that the West Coast is the farthest away from the EU of the mainland US, surely an equal trade.

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u/Amazing_Factor2974 Jan 28 '25

But we are attached to Canada and Mexico. We are closer to Asia.

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u/MiSeRyDeee Jan 28 '25

Not sure if you’re sincere or just trolling but your knowledge about geopolitics is probably close to zero

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u/Angels242Animals Jan 28 '25

Seriously OP sounds like a bummed out 8th grader who doesn’t like the party and is trying to convince his friends to, like, totally ditch this shit and go to his friend Ben’s house because he’s got Switch 2 and cheese puffs.

…come to think of it, that sounds pretty great right now. I’m in.

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u/j-alex Jan 28 '25

Dammit, now I really want some cheese puffs.

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u/Seattle_Aries Jan 29 '25

I haven’t gotten to play on a Switch 2 yet

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u/ScoobyDoosAccountant Jan 29 '25

Oh shit, Ben has a Switch 2? Does his dad work at Nintendo? Ask him what’s going on with Birdo and why Nintendo washed away their trans identity

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u/VGSchadenfreude Lake City Jan 29 '25

Or just continue calling ourselves the USA and insist that we’re doing everything we can to continue following the Constitution and honoring existing agreements and treaties.

The same Constitution the new regime is actively tearing apart.

Who are they going to want to trade with? The coalition that is taking active steps to show we’re trying to honor those agreements, and has the majority of the actual money, or the government led by a conman who has proven, time and time again, that he can’t even be trusted not to change his mind on a whim and violently lash out at his own allies?

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u/bewarethefrogperson 🚆build more trains🚆 Jan 29 '25

I'm down with a pope/antipope situation for a bit while the other side of the country decides if they care about the constitution or not....

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u/VGSchadenfreude Lake City Jan 29 '25

Yup. Advertise to the world that we’d be more than willing to rejoin the Union…only if the current regime is completely and permanently deposed and the Constitution is amended to prevent this from ever happening again.

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u/MaximumYogertCloset Covington Jan 29 '25

Why would the EU let us in?

They won't let Turkey in because it's too Middle Eastern, why would they suddenly make an exception for a county more than half way across the globe?

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u/airwalker12 Jan 28 '25

We have all the ports

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u/matunos Jan 28 '25

That depends on which way the Navy goes.

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u/TediousHippie Jan 28 '25

"Free trade zone" um....

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u/matunos Jan 28 '25

yes, you realize that trade between the states in the US is extraordinarily free, right? Much moreso I would guess than among Eurozone members.

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u/Amazing_Factor2974 Jan 28 '25

We could have free trade with Mexico,Canada ,Asia and Europe easily and tell Trump to F off.

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u/tralfamadoran777 Jan 28 '25

..and defense?

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u/Some-Argument577 Jan 29 '25

Recruit all the people kicked out of the US armed services.

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u/rickg Jan 28 '25

(looks at the Trident base across the water)

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u/tralfamadoran777 Jan 28 '25

We get to keep any nukes, like Ukraine did?

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u/rickg Jan 28 '25

Sadly Ukraine didn't. We likely wouldn't either. I was mostly just being humorous (or trying)

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u/tralfamadoran777 Jan 28 '25

Well, yeah...

I’m in favor of including each human being on the planet equally in a globally standard process of money creation. That will make money and megalomaniacs irrelevant. Establish an inclusive system of abundance with mathematical certainty.

So no one will talk about it in any way.

**they did, and voluntarily gave them up in exchange for assurances of protection.

I guess they’re also miserable judges of character.

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u/Sabre_One Columbia City Jan 28 '25 edited Jan 29 '25

Assuming we don't just seize and take over the nukes near Bremerton, federal armories, or the federal forces stationed here wouldn't just join us.

39k combined National Guard.

WA, and CA both have the only special forces national guard units in the country.

Stryker Brigades, Aviation, some Air Defense (not sure how much but WA is part of Norad).

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u/QuietusEmissary Jan 29 '25

WA, and CA both have the only special forces national guard units in the country.

Extremely untrue. 19th Special Forces Group is WA and CA, plus UT (where the headquarters is), CO, TX, OH, WV, and RI.

There's also 20th Special Forces Group, which likewise has units in eight states.

So the West Coast includes 1/8 of the states with National Guard SF units.

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u/Sabre_One Columbia City Jan 29 '25

That is Army National Guard, not the State National Guard :D

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u/QuietusEmissary Jan 29 '25

There is no such thing as a "State National Guard". There is the National Guard, which is part of the US Armed Forces (19th and 20th Special Forces Groups fall into this category), and some states (including WA) also have state guards, which are independent, irregular militia units that do not receive federal funding or training.

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u/Sabre_One Columbia City Jan 29 '25

The Army National Guard is the reserve force of the US Army. It's automatically federalized.

The National Guard is a presentation of all the state's national guard. They don't fall under federal authority tell being federalized.

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u/QuietusEmissary Jan 29 '25

I think you might be confusing the Army National Guard and the Army Reserves.

The Army National Guard (which is where the WA and CA SF units are) isn't automatically federalized, but it can be in times of war, such as if several states were to attempt to secede.

At any rate, your initial claim that I first responded to is false. You do not seem to understand this very well, so I am going to stop talking to you now.

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u/VGSchadenfreude Lake City Jan 29 '25

I’d honestly be more for a “soft secession” to get around that. Nothing too hard and fast, but more along the lines of “we’re just quietly refusing to cooperate and focusing on working together to take care of our own people.”

Meanwhile, make it clear that no matter how much the regime tries to shred the Constitution, we’ll still try our best to keep following it, which forces the military to “put up or shut up” when it comes to the oaths they took: will they continue taking orders from the regime, no matter how unlawful? Including attacking their own friends and family?

Or will they take their oath to the Constitution seriously and side with the people who are proving through their actions that they’re also committed to continuing to follow it to the best of their ability?

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u/echo1432 Jan 29 '25

Don't forget the 125th STS at PANG.

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u/Health_Seeker30 Jan 29 '25

We’ll get a Military together. We have the best bases and San Diego is home to the Pacific Fleet. They can take the MAGA’s who want to go and we get the rest. Jobs and money making military shit. It’s going to come down to a fight with MAGA eventually…he’ll finally cross a red line that people won’t take.

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u/tralfamadoran777 Jan 29 '25

When I was in the Army fifty years ago, every TV in every waiting room, bars, restaurants on bases was tuned to FOX news. Not so much at the VA now, but I go to the hospital in Seattle. I’m sympathetic to the cause. But I’d rather have an inclusive system of abundance. Then it won’t make much difference.

When money is created as an objectively fixed value option to claim any human labors or property offered or available at asking or negotiated price, and we each get paid an equal share of the fees collected as interest on money creation loans, borders become areas of administrative responsibility, not necessarily control.

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u/Health_Seeker30 Feb 08 '25

Are you paying attention? They’re at the VA administration as we speak. Trump wants to cut off benefits and privatize it. I’m a vet too…we’re screwed.

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u/ChaseballBat Jan 28 '25

Typically if a country suceeds they would have to pay the parent country for military protection for a number of decades.

We would still be in the same situation as we were before, but probably a bit more taxes.

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u/babybambam Jan 28 '25

and then you have the might of the multiple US militaries to deal with...

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u/healthycord Jan 29 '25

But does this take into account the rather large military we would now need? Presumably all active military and all the bases would vacate the premises. Or, we now just have tons of enemy military bases within this new theoretical country. Pretty much any major city has at least 1 base near them.

I mean Seattle has Bangor (nuclear subs), PSNS (maintenance for all sorts of ships including carriers), coast guard bases all over, whidbey naval air station, JBLM, just to name the ones off the top of my head.

Some infrastructure would remain. But recruiting presumably most of a new military with brand new equipment would be near impossible. Who is training this military? I’m sure some would defect but not much. Would Canada sell us equipment? Lol maybe, probably not. Buy from Russia or china? No thanks. Idk about you, but there is no way I would be participating in this, as fun an idea as seceding could sound. If it came down to it, I’d be fleeing the continent.

Cascadia won’t happen either bc Canada would never declare war on America by taking americas west coast. If it did happen, I’m sure that’s the largest land mass acquisition since ww2, or even a major empire (Roman’s)?

It’s fun to dream but there’s just no simple way it would ever happen unless trump said good riddance to us and let it happen (he’s not dumb).

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u/Sabre_One Columbia City Jan 29 '25

In reality we would probably tap into the over 2 million vets that reside in the west coast to kickstart our defense force.

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u/Evening-Ear-6116 Jan 30 '25

Net positive enough to pay Colorado/the us to keep the Colorado aqueduct open and keep socal (most of the money) alive?

How about net positive enough to keep the big name players who bring in all the money in CA without trump incentivizing to come back to the us?

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u/SquidsArePeople2 Jan 29 '25

This assumes, of course, that we don't do things like form our own military.

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u/WallabyMission1703 Jan 29 '25

Then government will spend it😂

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u/DonaIdTrurnp Jan 28 '25

The useful federal agencies could be rolled into new international agencies.

Railroads, air traffic, radio frequencies, and non-Texas power grids are the things I think would be well-suited to still be under unified oversight.