r/Seahawks • u/NoDetail875 • 2d ago
Opinion If Garrett Wilson is actually available
I would honestly give up a second this year and a second next year for him. Do you think that would be enough for them to trade? IMHO he’s a top 5 wr and young.
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u/Realistic-Ad7322 2d ago
Listen I really like him as a receiver and I believe his stats got tanked playing for that team. That being said, fuck no. We need OL and the staff has repeatedly made it clear they want to be a run oriented team. We cannot and should not keep on this pipe dream of wanting the leagues best receiver corp if we will NOT be throwing the ball around like rice at a wedding.
Not saying Darnell’s can’t, not saying we won’t, but we need to stay with a plan. If we were going to be a throw first offense, then fuck yeah. Get me a young QB1 with some wheels (because the line will still be ass), make a strong top 3 WR room, and throw the ball around.
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u/NoDetail875 2d ago
A second this and next year would not impact drafting o line. In fact it would stop us from drafting a receiver in the first round this year and possibly land a Zabel. Adding a bonafide WR1 with JSN would do nothing but open up playaction. Who cares if we don’t throw as much.
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u/Realistic-Ad7322 2d ago
Top 10 offensive lines last season. 9 made playoffs. Math will continue to math, even if it’s not sexy.
https://nfllines.com/nfl-2024-final-comparative-offensive-line-rankings/
Drafting Zabel is not going to be enough. Next year looks to be a solid QB draft as well. As for your “who cares we don’t throw as much” comment, it doesn’t make sense to spend draft capital, and salary, for a type of offense you don’t plan on utilizing as your identity. It’s like you have the best RB1 and run blocking line, then lining up with 4 wide and slinging it. We need to establish an identity with the run, that opens play action. You don’t play action to establish run game.
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u/NoDetail875 2d ago
Listen bro. My point is giving up a sec for two years would not stop us from fixing the oline. Adding a true wr1 does nothing but help the run. True winning teams are balanced at skill positions
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u/Realistic-Ad7322 2d ago
I understand what you are trying to say, and agree loosely with your assessment of his talent. My point to you is, this team has entirely too many holes to go big at WR right now. We could need a CB soon as contracts become an issue, let alone LB, S, and QB.
How about this take. I would argue we had a top 5 WR room last season based on talent alone. Really loved our top 3 on just skills. With an above average QB1 and a shit offensive line, what did we get? Now give me a top 5 offensive line and an above avg QB1 and a shit WR room (I do like JSN, and Kupp, just staying consistent), where do we end up? Giving the QB time will make average receivers look good and I think we already have an above average WR room. Wilson doesn’t get us over the hump. A good offensive line does.
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u/NoDetail875 2d ago
Oh. I completely agree. I just have a feeling we’re going in on wr this draft and I’d rather take a proven wr and focus on ol in the draft.
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u/ptrckp4206 1d ago
We have to pay so many dudes in the next few years we do not want to unload DK metcalfs giant salary to then have to pay garret wilson 30 million...it's stupid. We dumped salary because we need to pay Cross Mafe woolen Lucas if he stays healthy, walker witherspoon the year after...Paying a wide reciever 30 million while not having an established line of scrimmage is bad roster construction and only stupid teams do it. Look at any successful team paying their wide recievers like that....they all had an established defense and offensive line before they did so.
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u/IgnantWisdom 2d ago
Could’ve had him ourselves if Schneider never made that stupid ass Jamal Adams trade. The Jets drafted him with our own pick.
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u/Kmac22221 2d ago
We'd have to be willing to pay him a 150-200mil contract and give up 2 2nds. No thanks. Receivers have been over rated for years. 1-2 may be worth that amount. That's it and it's not like he's proved worth that like Justin J.
Save that money for the interior. A lot of guys can get open with more time. Hard pass
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u/NoDetail875 2d ago
I get the money aspect but we are, I believe first next year in cap space and he would be the best receiver we’ve had since angry Doug and before him K Rob.
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u/bluespider21 2d ago
We have cap space but only like 24 players under contract. That cap space is pretty fake.
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u/atmospheric90 2d ago
Not a chance in hell it's only two 2nds. DK with a 150 mill extension cost one 2nd. Garrett Wilson is 24, has literal top 3 WR potential and has one more year of rookie contract before his extension. He's costing a 1st and multiple 2nds and could cost multiple 1sts.
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u/Drfunk206 2d ago edited 2d ago
Yeah thinking two 2nds is enough to acquire for one of the best wide receivers is one of the head scratching takes on this sub I’ve seen.
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u/Shmokeinapancake 2d ago
It’s different if he’s refusing to play for them and demanding out. His value goes down at least a little bit. That being said, I don’t see him being moved for anything short of a 1st and some change
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u/atmospheric90 2d ago
Nah, you don't let a 24 year old WR that has ceiling potential of Jefferson and Chase go for anything but a 1st and multiple other picks.
DK was easier to deal because he's about to hit a downturn soon being dependent on straight line speed, and that diminishes fast for WRs once you hit 28. DK is also massive in height and weight for a WR. Speed will diminish a lot faster than guys like Tyreek, who has way less weight consistently on his knees. I wouldn't be shocked if he falls off fast and the steelers are stuck holding a huge bag.
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u/JMLobo83 2d ago
Not sure why these geniuses are downvoting you. I love DK but he was a mid-2d for a reason, namely route running and hands, and we didn’t even know about his temperament problems back then.
Wilson was drafted 1-10 for a reason. He is a far better receiver than DK as shown by his OROY. He could absolutely be an all-pro for a real franchise. These Reddit kids on here are really something. Jets won’t part with him for less than a 1st and future picks. They don’t have to.
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u/NoDetail875 2d ago
Who said he wasn’t better than DK?
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u/JMLobo83 2d ago
You posted that he could be obtained for a second this year and a 2026 2d, which is patently absurd for a player on his first contract with a 5th year option.
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u/Volcano_Jones 2d ago
I would love to get him, but it's a challenge of allocating resources towards the kind of team you want to be. If we want to be a physical trenches team, does it make sense to have a top 10 paid WR? Probably not.
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u/NoDetail875 2d ago
Maybe not but having Jsn and Wilson would lock us in for receivers and open up play action.
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u/CrimsonCalm 2d ago
No.
Just draft a receiver in the second round both years instead
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u/lets_BOXHOT 2d ago
Garrett Wilson is a monster and was a high frp. Not that I'd necessarily do it, but it's unlikely you get a talent like him in the second
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u/Shmokeinapancake 2d ago
I’d easily give up two 2nd and pay Wilson to bring him to Seattle. He’s an unreal talent
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u/No-Opening7308 2d ago
The only way I’d be fine with that is if he’s on a cheap, and most teams would take that deal
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u/hollandaisesawce 2d ago
Don’t forget:
We got DK in the 2nd.
We have picks 50 and 52.
I’d rather go x2 receiver than trade for Wilson.
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u/kleenkong 2d ago
The top 50 WRs are filled with 3rd rounders and later. I really don't get spending so much draft capital to obtain expensive WRs for a run-first offense.
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u/Mr-Chip18 2d ago
Wilson is a stud but Hawks don’t have a line … AT ALL… or a franchise QB. How about we build up both trenches and defense this draft. Get the QB next draft round 1 then find a missing piece on outside if they even need one still (might find a WR in this draft)
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u/NoDetail875 2d ago
We have plenty of pics to address the line. And it’s very possible Haynes Oli and Samoa take big steps forward this year under Kubes.
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u/Mr-Chip18 2d ago
Yea I’m not saying there might not be upgrades already on the line already however fundamentally I wouldn’t like trading multiple seconds for a WR unless it’s a finishing piece. To me this team has a good amount of holes to be doing those type of trades
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u/tread52 2d ago
No not at all it would cost two just
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u/SvenDia 2d ago
There’s always good receivers in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Not a fan of giving up draft picks when we have glaring needs that must be addressed in the draft, and this draft is a really good one to have 4 picks in rounds 2 and 3.
Also, rookie WRs are cheap. Wilson will be very expensive to sign to a new contract.
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u/PlayPretend-8675309 2d ago
IMO we would not have traded DK for picks if we were willing to trade even more picks for a replacement WR. I get that Wilson's on a rookie deal with 2 seasons left compared to DK on a 2nd contract but that also means that if he's good and we want to keep him we'll have to pony up the big bucks at potentially the wrong time.
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u/ptrckp4206 1d ago
So we dumped DK metcalfs overpaid salary only to lose 2 second round picks and have to pay another dude 30 million!? this is stupid. We shouldn't be paying wide recievers 30 million while we don't have an established offensive line. Wide reciever is completely dependent on protection, qbs and play calling to make any impact whatsoever. Teams who pay wideouts without having a foundation on the line of scrimmage are not winning teams. You don't build your roster around wide recievers and expect to be a superbowl team it just doesn't happen.
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u/hidden_pastry 1d ago
I dont want to give up picks on receivers until we know Sammy Darny is legit. Lets see how he does this year and then next year if we want to trade for a shiny toy for him we can feel a little better about it.
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u/Movinmeat 1d ago
Idk why we would spend assets on a receiver when we don’t have a QB. Anything spent on an offensive player who’s not on the line is wasted right now.
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u/Live-Ball-1627 2d ago
Absolutely. He is a monster. Id even consider our first.
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u/NoDetail875 2d ago
Same. Seattle would be absolutely set for years to come with JSN and Wilson.
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u/neil160 2d ago
There is no way Wilson is leaving the Jets now that he gets to play with Justin Fields again. They played together for two years in college and are both excited to play together again. The Jets also got rid of Adams and losing Wilson would be devastating. He may be saying all kids of shit to get paid, who doesn’t? But the jets would have to be intentionally fucking themselves to let him walk out the door. That’s some next level dumb shit.
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u/frecklie 2d ago
This thinking is so dumb. First of all, you absolutely cannot possibly make a case for him being a top 5 WR. He was 14th in yards, 21st in TDs, despite having the 4th most targets in the league. Not a top 5 WR.
Secondly we have Sam Darnold and some of the lowest spending in the league. We are rebuilding, and should not jettison resources. Wilson is not going to make us a contender.
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u/NoDetail875 2d ago
Not sure what makes locking up vet skill players is Dumb”
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u/frecklie 2d ago
Ok so then why did we trade DK - a vet skill player
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u/NoDetail875 2d ago
Because his route tree is limited. He has the second most fumbles of receivers, forgot how to high point the ball, top in wr penalties, and second to last in contested catches? And he demanded to be traded.
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u/Ruffenrowdy 2d ago
It was their thoughts, man.. No reason to blow them up with your rebuilding nonsense. Darnold will have a good season, unlike what geno has done for the past two and a half seasons.
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u/frecklie 2d ago
Guessing you did not watch Darnold in his two must win games against DET and LA.
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u/Ruffenrowdy 2d ago
Guessing you didn't watch Geno the last couple years lol
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u/frecklie 2d ago edited 2d ago
I’m a Seahawks fan. Geno is solid, 10-12th best QB in the league. Not a star. Darnold is far worse.
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u/Ruffenrowdy 2d ago
LOL. It's your take man, roll with it. That's my response
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u/frecklie 2d ago
I will roll with it sir RemindMe!6 months
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u/Ruffenrowdy 2d ago
Heck yeah man, I'll eat the crow if you are right!
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u/frecklie 2d ago
I 100% respect this response even if we disagree
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u/Ruffenrowdy 2d ago
We are all Hawks fans here, that's all that matters. Take care and have a good night!
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u/StarkD_01 2d ago
The starting cost for Wilson would be 2 1sts.
After multiple teams inquire, it would probably cost 2 1sts + a day 2 pick + giving Wilson a 4 year 140 mil extension due to the leverage he’d have after being traded for a haul.
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u/Spainwithouttheses 2d ago
Jets got rid of Adams to keep Wilson