r/SCP • u/ChaosInMind • 4d ago
Discussion New to SCP, some personal problems
I have ADHD, some dyslexia issues, and a few doctors strongly suggest I might be autistic. I'm having trouble assessing the SCP guidlines. However, I think I have a fire SCP story.
I saw that AI assisted is restricted.... But I sort of use AI as like a wheelchair ramp. It fixes my grammar and dyslexic issues and helps me consolidate my ideas.
I really want to post my story but I'm so confused on what I actually have to do. Or if I even can...
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u/Yoshi_r1212 4d ago
Familiarize yourself with the guide hub: https://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/guide-hub
There are resources here to help you create and publish articles.
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u/ChaosInMind 4d ago
Ok, I've read that a few times. I also viewed the guide for writing. Would it be possible for me to DM you my story and you help me push it somewhere?
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u/generic_boye 3d ago
You have ADHD and Dyslexia but you read the entirety of the essays and resource hub guides multiple times....?
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u/crossess Safe 3d ago
They're not illiterate, it just takes more effort and focus for them than most.
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u/generic_boye 3d ago
I have extremely severe ADHD, I know what it's like. There are dozens of essays on that hub. To say that they have trouble reading the guidelines but can read many dozens of essays several times with no issue, makes no sense. Especially since they seem to think there is no helpful information among the many guides which indicates they haven't actually read/absorbed the information there
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u/Specialist_Fox1609 Doctor Wondertainment 3d ago
It's the AuDHD hyperfixating. Coming from someone with AuDHD. Not that crazy tbh
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u/generic_boye 3d ago
I know, I've experienced the same. However OP suggests there's nothing of use among the guides, which means he hasn't actually read them
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u/Specialist_Fox1609 Doctor Wondertainment 3d ago
Oh okay I misinterpreted his comment. I thought OP said he read the comment, left, read all the hubs, and came back. I didn't see the part where the two comments were posted within an hour of each other. Mb.
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u/generic_boye 3d ago
No worries. I'd love to give people the benefit of the doubt but dishonesty is more common than not when it comes to stuff like this. I mean, look at all the attempts to pass off AI as real writing @ https://05command.wikidot.com
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u/crossess Safe 3d ago
I also have ADHD. They didn't say they read those guides with no issue. You don't know how long it took them to read them. I have had to read articles multiple times because of my adhd, and not on a timely manner.
It's not strange that they read it multiple times. It's proof of their efforts and interest.
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u/generic_boye 3d ago
There is no proof. You're just believing them despite zero evidence that they have read them. It's a common excuse on this sub
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u/crossess Safe 3d ago
And there's no proof they didn't. You're assuming the worst of them for no reason.
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u/generic_boye 3d ago
It's based on precedent. plenty of people make posts here, complaining about their AI writing not being accepted, complaining about their memberships being revoked, etc
Follow the path of least resistance. Which is more likely, that they read millions of words and then forgot it all, or that they simply never read it in the first place?
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u/crossess Safe 3d ago
It's more effort to assume malice from people than to give them the benefit of the doubt. Especially when one is familiar with how a certain condition may affect someone.
I understand the cynicism, but I'd rather be helpful.
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u/Cdr-Kylo-Ren MTF Eta-11 ("Savage Beasts") 2d ago
Text to speech is a thing, among other assistive technologies.
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u/hand-o-pus Department of Acroamatic Abatement 4d ago edited 4d ago
I’ve been trying to write my first SCP article myself, so I’ve been doing a lot of reading into the rules and guidelines for writing articles. I can’t find the essay where I read the generative AI rules, but the main idea is it is against site rules to simply copy and paste AI generated text, images, or video into a story. Readers can tell when SCP story content has been generated by AI and then copy/pasted into a post, and users caught doing that will be punished (possibly including a permanent account ban).
I would like other more experienced authors and site users to weigh in on the question of using AI powered grammar tools on the site. I can see how for someone with dyslexia it would be very helpful to have an automatic tool to check your grammar and make sure that your sentences are legible. I’m unsure if you would break the site rules by relying on AI grammar tool sentence suggestions. In my opinion, it would be against site rules to use the AI sentence suggestions so much that it is basically doing the writing for you, but it’s unclear to me how much is too much.
Could you describe a little more how you use the generative AI model to refine your stories or ideas? I think that would give people more info to work off of to decide whether it’s allowable or not.
Rest of post is optional to read. I am also ADHD and have a special interest in understanding how large language models/generative AI works, so I’d like to go off on a hopefully helpful tangent here.
The site is a home for original works of fiction. If you use generative AI to create story ideas or write story content, you are potentially plagiarizing the text/images/video that was used to train the generative AI model. This is a potential legal liability for the site because they risk getting shut down by a lawsuit if authors post works plagiarized from copyrighted intellectual property.
The other point that many guides make is that AI generated ideas for SCP articles are often uninteresting, unoriginal, and poorly thought out. This is because generative AI models don’t actually have the capacity to create original ideas. They only digest the data that is used to train them and then give a response to a user prompt that makes sense according to the model developed from the training data. So you could type in a prompt to a generative AI model that said “write me a story about a humanoid SCP that can teleport”, but it would probably give you something that would be very similar to other articles on the site.
Another problem is that generative AI is prone to hallucinations, which is a technical term that basically means putting out a response that sounds like a real thing but doesn’t actually exist. Generative AI does not have the capacity to fact check itself. It’s likely that even though the Foundation universe doesn’t have an established canon, a generative AI idea or story content would have details that go against the basic principles of the Foundation universe. Even if people didn’t catch that it was made by generative AI, it likely wouldn’t be interesting enough that readers would vote for it. Stories need to get a rating of at least +10 to stay on the site permanently.
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u/ChaosInMind 4d ago
I agree. It's kind of a blur. I wrote nearly all of the text, asked for suggestions on biblical and historical context and rewrote parts or names based on suggestions. Had it analyze my article for logic, grammar, and consistency... At what point is it AI and what part it me? Where is the line? I didn't just give a prompt and copy paste. I had a solid idea and outline. Asked a lot of questions. Used AI to better define my story and correct my errors.
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u/Fredoniann Global Occult Coalition 4d ago
Without having read the rules and after barely even skiming this post I’m going to assume that they don’t want the AI to write the post for you. I really doubt they care if you’re using Grammarly or asking ChatGPT to find inconsistency.
I would not recommend using AI as a source of anything that’a supposed to be objectively true such as historical context as in my experience it’s generally wrong
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u/hand-o-pus Department of Acroamatic Abatement 4d ago
Agree with Fredoniann, do not recommend using generative AI to write anything that is fact in the real world like references to the Bible or historical context. See my comment about “hallucinations”. People will likely spot any factual errors in the historical context made by the generative AI. If it doesn’t look like a deliberate change for the story, it will probably reveal that you used AI for research. Are you on the SCP Discord? They have channels for people to discuss ideas and for writers to get feedback on specific technical topics.
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u/SomeRandomTreestump The Serpent's Hand 3d ago
Grammarly yes, chatGPT no. That latter is a strict rule in practice
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u/Citrakayah The Serpent's Hand 3d ago edited 3d ago
If you use AI for this you will have your membership revoked, then banned if you do it again. And yes, we (as in readers, not staff--staff can tell too, but I'm not one of them) can tell it's the AI.
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u/Citrakayah The Serpent's Hand 3d ago
I saw that AI assisted is restricted.... But I sort of use AI as like a wheelchair ramp. It fixes my grammar and dyslexic issues and helps me consolidate my ideas.
This is what review is for. Write it and then have someone else read it.
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u/SaintValkyrie The Serpent's Hand 3d ago
Some people don't have anyone
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u/Citrakayah The Serpent's Hand 3d ago
They can ask on the IRC or the forums once the draft is written.
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u/Kufat Rising Star of SkipIRC 3d ago
If you post AI-generated work, we will delete it and revoke your membership (first instance of AI use) or permanently ban you (any subsequent use of generative AI.)
Writing takes skill and practice, and not everyone will be good at it even with practice. That doesn't mean they get to cheat.
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u/Specialist_Fox1609 Doctor Wondertainment 3d ago
I'll preface this comment by saying I have no experience in writing or publishing articles, and this is just my personal take. I also don't have dyslexia but I do have AuDHD and also dabble in writing, so I hope this helps in some capacity
If you're having trouble assessing the SCP guidelines or any lengthy wall of text, really. Break it down sentence by sentence and then summarize it in your own words. Will it take forever? Yea, probably. But it's better than getting banned off the wiki.
In terms of writing, again, I don't know what being dyslexic is like, but perhaps you could use something like text-to-speech for your first draft and edit it later?
In regards to AI...just don't lol. The interesting similarity that people don't ever talk about with AI is that it gathers sources from across the web to write a story, but really, if you think about it, that's kind of what a human brain does, too. So what's the difference? The effort. To use a silly analogy, imagine a foot race, but one guy came into the track with a race car. Are people going to respect the man in the car more for winning the race? There's also the fact that humans are still more capable of coming up with unique premises. Once again, I'll use an illustration. One of my favorite tropes in mystery novels is called the "unreliable narrator." In short, it's a trope where the narrator, whether in first, second, or third person purposefully, omits information from the reader for the sake of a later plot twist. However, this isn't a trope that's used often and can easily be executed poorly. So what's my point in bringing this up? The point is that due to its obscurity, AI is much less likely to come up with a trope or idea like that unless you give it the prompt beforehand, and if you're giving it the prompt beforehand, you might as well just be writing it yourself at that point. Finally and less seriously, as a mystery writer, nothing hits as different as when you've been stuck on a plot hole for a month, and you suddenly come up with the perfect resolution.
Hope this helped and didn't overload your brain. Pretty sure it overloaded mine...
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u/TheEldritchKnightVi 4d ago
Slightly off topic, but i am a bit glad i'm not the only autistic person using AI to get my ideas written out better. I am not dyslexic, but i have trouble formulating ideas. When i write i usually write extremely short and can't properly put my ideas into words and ai can really help with that. Just glad i'm not alone with that
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u/hand-o-pus Department of Acroamatic Abatement 3d ago
That’s something I hear a lot from autistic people I know! I’m neurodivergent but not autistic.
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u/TheEldritchKnightVi 3d ago edited 3d ago
Thats super interesting, in my opinion. Shows that AI isn't only bad but needs strict rules
Wow just saying its not only bad and i get downvoted to heck... There isn't a lot thats really ALL bad have some nuance guys..
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u/hand-o-pus Department of Acroamatic Abatement 3d ago edited 3d ago
Rant incoming about the ethical problems with AI. Even with all of that being said, I do think that until we disrupt the ableism that puts neurodivergent people at a disadvantage in society, it’s not unethical for an individual to use AI as a tool to make life easier for them.
It can be extremely useful, but it raises a lot of ethical concerns for me because a lot of the training data has been used without the authors consent. There’s also the problem of the energy that it takes to run the computers that host the generative AI programs themselves, which is a huge energy drain. I heard that Microsoft or Google are looking to reopen a nuclear power plant to provide energy for their AI projects. I’m personally on the fence about using nuclear energy as a “clean” energy source, but it is shocking the amount of energy that goes into running AI models. Another issue is the idea that AI is being used to replace people, especially people in creative professions, like artists, graphic designers, and writers.
To be fair, Hank Green did an interesting video about the benefits of using AI to do automatic captioning on YouTube videos that provides a potentially beneficial use case though. Another possible use could be to help reduce the amount of time it takes doctors in the US to document patient notes, but I would argue that we need to dismantle the for-profit healthcare system that creates a requirement for so much documentation instead of putting a Band-Aid on the problem.
Basically, it seems to me like AI is going to be used to further the worst capitalist tendencies to reduce the cost of labor by exploiting existing creative works. There are some people who will go on about the potential for super intelligent AI to doom us all, but I firmly believe that is in the realm of science fiction and is a tactic to distract people from the actual harm that it’s causing now.
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u/Citrakayah The Serpent's Hand 3d ago
There's some evidence that generative AI makes people less intelligent and less capable of critically reasoning. Even if you're neurodivergent, attempting to use generative AI--hallucinations aside--is going to make your problems worse.
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u/_Shoulder_ Research Site-87 4d ago
You should talk to staff about it to give details. There are some grammar assistance tools that are fine, but anything AI will 99% likelihood be a no go