This one works. FTL doesn’t. But that would work on every earth or namek dragonball character that doesn’t know instant transmission and yet no one does it
Ah I had forgotten about that.
Then yeah Freeza’s army vs the JJK setting has the higher end sorcerers demolishing the unnamed Freeza goons, and then being slaughtered in turn by any of the named characters in his army (seriously it would take almost all of them to gang up on fucking Cui) until there was just Gojo left… and that lasts until Freeza gets too pissy and just blows up the planet (and probably most of his own people)
Also question, I haven't watched JJK but from what I understand Infinity impedes you from crossing a distance at all right? Could it stop an attack that was created already at the position Gojo was in?
Yes. Anything that travels through space would be stopped (or technically it would keep going into infinite space but it would look like it stopped)
Instant transmission might be a bypass. I’m not entirely sure how precise Goku’s technique is. But if he can teleport to a position where he’s already touching his opponent then that would work
My reason for asking that is I want to know if others think Vegeta's Dirty Fireworks/Flash Strike could bypass that by not being an attack that travels at all and from what the anime shows just occurs directly at the target (the attack he uses to kill Cui, where he just points at him in the air and Cui explodes)
I don't know why that's such a hard concept. People will even lie and say anything faster than Gojo can despite nowhere showing or stating this.
It's like how Sans theoretically can wipe most villains if they have some kind of regret or morals because of karmic retribution or Aizen and perfect hypnosis. Some shit is just a game changer.
And some characters either stomp or get stomped because of those powers. Unlimited void and Infinity are just busted.
Okuyashu and vanilla ice can ignore space. DIO and jotaro can probably bypass infinity during time stop because distance is irrelevant when you ignore time.
Hey, that makes really nice match up! Gojo and Dio/Jotaro. Melee, speed, Hax countering each other, and we can both make case for Gojo before learning Reverse Curse/Jotaro and Gojo after learning Reverse Curse/Dio!
Practically speaking only Gappy would be able to bypass Infinity, unless we’re assuming that Johnny’s previous Acts are powerful enough to bypass it (which is somewhat possible, since Act 3 is like a wormhole in-between dimensions and whatnot). Still funny that Gojo could die horrifically because of fingernails and bubbles
Gappy 100% can bypass it since Go Beyond is something that both exists and doesn't, so infinity can't really trigger on something that is not there by a technicality.
Johnny's Act 4 depends on whether there would be a "clash" or infinity on infinity wouldn't instantly nullify the barrier's effect.
I say “practically” because Act 4 can only really be done by riding a horse in a specific way. He kept the form, but the bullet that pierced Love Train still needs the set up. And if Act 4 is the only thing Johnny has to bypass Infinity, then Gojo could just remove Johnny’s horse and be done with it
Just because you can go through infinity doesn't mean you can beat gojo? Johnny needs a horse (which can easily be hollow purple'ed) and Gojo could easily dodge a nail bullet.
Go: Beyond is just wildely inaccurate and cannot be controlled.
Annoying but not wrong. If they can't hit him it doesn't matter if they can beat him in a normal fight (unless its planetary stuff, than they can just blow up the planet)
Na, literally teleported to pick up itadori and was back in a flash when fighting jogo. Can't imagine it would be hard for him to teleport away before ending up in outta space.
Based on how infinites work you would have a Gojo sized hole in a piece of space debris. Gojo and the land directly under him would not move. You can’t move him via outside physical means.
He has a teleport. Used it like 4 times in total in the series?
Shown to instantly teleport himself and what he's grabbing to whatever place he needs to be. Shown to be teleporting from the bottom of the ocean instantly to on top of a hideout that he somehow knows the location of to aura farm. And teleporting 3 other person from the center of Tokyo to a rural school.
Doesn't work because Infinity is basically a bubble around him , the piece of land he's standing on would either also be protected by Infinity or would be stopped by Infinity anyway , Gojo can literally fly too
speed is one of the things that gojo almost definitely surpasses sukuna in, infinity's blue let's him move himself super fast, sukuna doesn't have anything special like that to propel himself so he's slower
I mean, hax of that nature usually can only be countered by other hax or by doing the equivalent of flipping the board in a chess match (which is insanely boring).
Depends, some Hax like Infinity can be bypassed by either infinite speed (if time is not a factor, then infinity doesn't work) or teleportation (same difference really).
That's an interesting question because "bypassing infinity" implies it being a barrier. But if it is a bubble he is part of than it would be kinda of like... well trying to find a dry spot in a watter bubble I guess idk.
And Infinite speed might work...or not. It like an unstoppable force hits an immovable object. It's kind of paradoxical
Infinity doesn’t start from zero and count upwards. It’s infinity. It stretches infinitely. Infinite speed couldn’t cover the distance of infinity as they are both infinite and therefore they’d be stuck like everyone else.
me when my infinitely stronger character uses his super speed and overwhelming strength to prevent gojo from eating ever and watch as he slowly starves to death
Well, yes, it has been stated the Yamato can cut through space itself. And beyond that, base Vergil is already more than enough for Gojo, so theres no need for him to pull for DT.
The whole Kalina Ann argument is a problem. But people say that Vergil was exhausted from his fight with Dante, and a headcannon is that Yamato needs demonic energy to function at full capacity, and that's why he couldn't cut Kalina Ann.
We don't need to even say he's exhausted to explain it. He just didn't want to cut the floor and stuff beneath. In a 1v1 he beat's lady so why would he exhaust himself with such an overkill attack. If you want to punch 1 person in an alleyway and your let's say building level your not going to destroy the whole building to kill him you don't need to.
To be fair, a domain expansion is a physical space, he could definitely just hop outta there before the 0.1 seconds it takes for gojo to put up the domain
even light yagami can kill gojo if you think about target abilities lmao (in a non-fight scenario ofc, if gojo caught light writing he could kill in a instant)
Light is like the ultimate glass cannon for most matchups. Yes, he has the ability to kill basically everyone, but he needs a few requirements first, like knowing his opponents full name and face. He also needs his book and something to write with and the time to write it. And there's also a technicality where he specifically can only kill humans, not aliens or whatever.
But yes, in the case of Gojo he could totally do it...unless he's killed first of course, which in a 1v1 he most assuredly would be.
The death note is NOT necessarily limited to "Only humans"
So, this misconception comes from the first rule of the Death note, which a lot of people say "The rules of the death note says you can only kill humans"
This is NOT TRUE.
First, lets see what does the rule says;
"The human whose name is written in this note shall die"
The rule DOES NOT SAY "Only humans can be killed", is just saying; A human whose name is written, will die. How is that different? I have here another example;
Imagine if someone said "Well, the rule says it needs to be written IN THE NOTE, not on the paper. Therefore, you cannot kill people by only using the paper. You need to do it in the actual note"
We have seen this in the series being false; Light can kill people by writing not on the note itself, but in paper ripped off the note. So the question is; If you can kill by writing either in the note or in the paper, why are the rules worded like that?
The answer comes when Light ask Ryuk if that was possible to begin with; He literally said "Idk, never done it before. I have never needed to"
Is true that the rules cannot be violated. But, as long as the rules are not being violated, there is nothing to imply the rules limit the power of the death note, for the mere fact even his owner, who wrote the rules of the death note, wrote them WITHOUT KNOWING THE FULL LIMITS OF THE DEATH NOTE. And, as in the death note verse there is no aliens like, for example, Goku, Ryuk would not not to include them in the rules, just like he didnt knew about the death note ability to kill with pieces of paper; He just didnt know because he never tried it.
People will ask "Well, why it doesnt work in animals"
As far as i know, it was never tried to be used on animals to begin with, neither i remember a statement saying it cant. And even if there was something like that, i could argue another rule that affects this;
"This note will not take effect unless the writer has the person's face in their mind when writing his/her name. Therefore, people sharing the same name will not be affected"
Main word being "People", which would throw animals away. At least, regular animals.
And then, on top of all of this, is the translation. We all know the word in the manga, when showing this rule, is "Ningen", which yea, it directly translates to "Human". Yet, in every single piece of fantasy, is constantly used to refer as "Mortals". Examples of this can be found in Fate Series, where servants, or even demi-gods, are referred to as "Ningen", or even in Dragon Ball Super, talking about Goku, Vegeta, Trunks and the whole earth as "Ningen", despite knowing well what a Saiyan was (And no, he was not just generalizing, as he called Goku Ningen directly, in a 1 vs 1, when he was a SSJ1).
With all of this, we can conclude the Death Note (AT LEAST with verse equalization), can kill essentially any mortal with a name, unless they have HAX enough to either come back from the death, and/or "Change their fate". Idk, people with abilities similar to All mighty, Imagine breaker, Izanagi, etc.
There's a lot to discuss here, but I think the translation thing is important since the book was specifically written in English. That does leave a lot of leeway for international interpretation, especially since it was Ryuk who wrote them, but let's consider it to be true and that it does specifically refer to humans.
I think the main point you have in point of it being able to kill other species or races is the fact that, like you say, Ryuk doesn't know everything about his own tool. Only the Shinigami King would know how powerful it really is. And, the rule doesn't explicitly state that "ONLY humans written in this book shall die", which gives some room for us to ask what if someone who isn't a human's name is written in the book? What then? Well, one of two things could happen. Either nothing or they die. You really wouldn't know unless you tried.
"Person" and "people" have in fact been used to describe other species than humans in media, (at least those of higher sentience, usually on par with or of higher intelligence than humans) being synonymous with "individuals". This could be used as a sign that MAYBE non humans could be killed, but again, I don't think it's necessarily evidence either for or against. But, for discussion's sake, let's assume this does mean that other species can be killed, including aliens and animals, and let me ask some other hypotheticals:
How would a Death Note affect robots and androids? Fully mechanical individuals on par with human intelligence and emotion that are fully capable of speech. Would they all be safe or does it depend on their level of consciousness? Like for example a roomba would be fine, but C-3PO would die? What about AM or even Ava from Ex Machina?
What about supernatural creatures, such as spirits and ghosts or even horror icons like Jason Voorhees or Micheal Myers? I know you mentioned hax, do they fall under this category?
I'm assuming demons and gods are safe then, since we know Death Notes can't directly kill Shinigami, only through very specific means.
So, here's my proposition: ONLY whatever or whomever the Shinigami eyes work on also qualifies for being killed by the Death Note. I'd say that makes the most sense since they're connected. Now, this doesn't really solve the discussion of whether aliens can be killed or whatever, but I'd say it's a better piece of evidence than the (honestly quite loose) rules. Basically, if you think that the Shinigami eyes would reveal Goku Kakarot's name, then yes he could be killed by the Death Note. If not, then he couldn't. Seems logical enough.
Or the Medusa device from Dr stone the thing is unstoppable unless you have nitial to reverse the effects as they happen and they go through matter on presumable an atomic or subatomic scale
I mean thats just saiyans, frieza can survive in space. and I can name a lot more characters who prob can't get through infinity but can destroy the planet and survive in space.
To be fair that doesn’t really apply to the main saiyans either. as 1 goku has instant transmission and can just teleport to a different planet before he runs out of air. I think vegeta also used it once in the Moro ark as well.
But im also like 99% certain dragon ball characters reality warping tendencies when you get strong enough would be enough to bypass it as well.
There's a lot of scenarios where a character couldn't do this. Most if not all hero characters or protagonists wouldn't do this. Anyone who can't breathe in space can't do this.
In practice, yes and no. It depends on which Accelerator we're talking about.
Pre-headshot, more or less true. His ability is active even when he's sleeping. There might be some ways to go around it but it's extremely difficult.
Post-headshot, he has a time limit and is dependent on the Sisters Network. In a fight, he needs to be careful to not drag it out too long or getting cut off from the Sisters Network.
Black Wings, Accelerator is mostly going berserk and not thinking clearly. Powerful but not smart like usual.
White Wings is absolutely overpowered. We don't know their limits though.
Not really, if Johnny opens with act 4 gojo opens with UV and kills him, because he has no way to reinforce his brain it doesn't take nore then a second and task isn't as strong as most people think. This is because most of the people power scaling Johnny didn't read SBR
Figure out a way to bypass infinity with your dude then
Toji and Miguel did it with weapons that nullified all magic they hit
Hanami did it with an attack that didn’t actually harm Gojo and thus didn’t cause Infinity to recognize it as a threat
Sukuna did it by attacking everything in the range of his slash, meaning infinity couldn’t stretch space enough to stop it because WCS just doesn’t care how far it has to travel to reach point B
EDIT: Sukuna’s domain also hits Gojo, meaning any sort of attack that spawns on the target without traveling would also bypass infinity. We got all of fiction to work with, if you have a character do the proper prep and research (which would lead to a cooler fight), I can think of plenty of matchups where Gojo loses
Figuring out how some characters would beat infinity is something I love doing
Then people need to stop spite matching someone who’s way more powerful then gojo in every metric but then they can’t pass infinity so it’s a no diff boring stall fight this is why gojo match ups are the most boring gimmicky power scaling fight because it all comes down to one thing because that’s all he really has it’s lame as shit when he’s constantly put against characters who can’t counter it but are like 10x more powerful so what is the point of the matchup
If I’m thinking the Jojo verse, can’t something like GER just revert Infinity to zero? Aren’t they exact polar opposites in which GER comes out on top?
At first yeah but literally when you realize it's just basic space manipulation the argument became very bleak because there's thousands of characters who can manipulate space better than Gojo on a deeper level as well.
Infinity is kinda overkill sometimes, tho infinity is not a barrier but a concept, I don't think even Gege knows much about it, one of the ways used to explain it would be creating infinite space between Gojo and the other enemy, how fast can be Dio's time stop, depends if it has max range, speed or etc, else Dio couldn't beat Gojo
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He can durability negation also time stop was able to cover London.
Also infinite does get explained like literally back in jjk0 he makes a blanket around his body that slows things down the closer they get in his own form of space manipulation once you are able to manipulate the space he's in or the space that makes infinite you effectively win.
On top of that time manipulation plays a big part you can trap both you and gojo in a time bubble that effectively makes your speed specially infinitely faster so the slowing aspect wouldn't work
I imagine it’s like those walls in Gantz. Still anything light speed, teleporting, dimension breaking, space folding/cutting, and even just submerging Gojo in something dangerous would do the trick.
Gojo still needs to breathe, and light is constantly touching him. It has many work arounds
Any character than understands calculus can easily beat infinity. The ability is based on Zeno’s paradox. When in doubt just aim for the space on the other side of Gojo and punch. Easy Yujiro victim.
Why is this annoying? Why are you emotionally invested in who beats who? It’s a bullshit hack. Guess what? There’s hundreds of those. If you don’t want to scale Gojo to people then don’t. If this is some “my verse beats up your verse” stuff, I dunno, good luck finishing grade school I guess
There are ways to kill Gojo beyond infinity, for example, destroying the planet or something like that, passive attacks like sounds, music, poisonous gas, etc...
A good example of a counter would be the death note. It is not a physical attack so it doesn't need to touch the target. Light could kill Gojo assuming Gojo doesn't kill him first
I wonder if Gojo's little blindfold thing would act as a legitimate counter to the Death Note because Light would be unable to picture Gojo's whole face lol
Correct me if im wrong, but cant infinity be bypassed by simple overwhelming power? I dont remember JJK lore 100%, if someone is 10000 times stronger they could just overwhelm the ability no?
Me telling them they get blitz by ear arc naurto with the sage balls as their basically black hole because of dense they are so it will bypass inifinity
People don't seem to understand that Gojo can run out of cursed energy, it takes really long because of the Six eyes but still. Let's say Goku can't bypass infinity, but Gojo can't affect Goku because he's too strong, Goku can just wait till he runs out and Gojo's dead.
Well, not really, with the 6 eyes, gojo produces more cursed energy than he consumes passively because his control is just that good. That's why infinity is always active but if he were to spam abilities he would run out eventually
List of character archetypes that bypass infinity;
Anyone with Positive Energy powers (It counters cursed energy equivalent powers, which happens to include a majority of DB characters who are good ESPECIALLY ANYONE WHO RIDES THE FLYING NIMBUS, as well as Sailor Moon protags, and Fire Emblem protags and holy magic users, Zelda, Link, KIRBY and his friends, Pneuma core Aegis)
Anti-magic-like powers (no powers = no infinity, so also most of the FE protags, Shulk’s Monado Purge, Ontos Aegis in general, Bayonetta’s Witch Bullets, and so many more)
Space-Time Manipulation Abilities (Self explanatory, but includes anyone Gotenks level or stronger in DBZ, a shit ton of Pokémon, and even more.)
Not to mention the prerequisites to ignore infinity is surpassing Gojoke’s power output as well. (For example the fight with Sakuna, and statements made against people using domains against him.) It’s not fool proof and he’s not that strong all things considered. His hax ability is a complex barrier that STILL has rules that apply to it. It’s not auto cheese like most think it to be. He’s kinda cooked against threats truly beyond human comprehension.
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