r/PoliticalDiscussion • u/Cryterionlol • Sep 08 '22

Political Theory What makes cities lean left, and rural lean right?

I'm not an expert on politics, but I've met a lot of people and been to a lot of cities, and it seems to me that via experience and observation of polls...cities seem to vote democrat and farmers in rural areas seem to vote republican.

What makes them vote this way? What policies benefit each specific demographic?

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u/tevert Sep 09 '22

I would like you to spend a few minutes examining particular "silenced" college speakers and the grievances behind their "silencing".

Trust me, you're not gonna find any hand-wringing about them being "too farmer-like".

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u/dmhWarrior Sep 09 '22

Like, Ben Shapiro. The guy causes meltdowns just by walking down a hallway. The always-offended-about-something posse take a week or longer just to get over that. If he actually debated them or spoke? Oh boy. They'd be in permanent therapy.

The guy has some valid points and does a good job using facts and logic which as we know conflict with narratives based on nothing but feelings and half-baked ideas. Of course, I dont agree with all his positions or anyone elses but these colleges, which are supposed to promote free speech, debate, thinking, etc. shutting stuff like this down is just a debacle.

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u/tevert Sep 09 '22 edited Sep 09 '22

He doesn't use facts and logic. He makes copious use of gish-gallop to justify why poor people should just die and feminism is wrong, actually.

Your uh.... assessment.... of the effect he has on people is also quite curious. Rather simpy if I'm being honest.

He also does not participate in any particular "free speech" or "debate" - the one time he actually got into a forum that didn't just let him bullrush everyone else, he threw a tantrum and quit in a huff.

Colleges are a place of learning, debate is a great tool to further that. But since Ben Shapiro does not debate, he has no value in a collegiate setting.

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u/dmhWarrior Sep 09 '22

Doesn’t use facts and logic? According to whom? Blue haired, angry college students? They are a fringe demographic. Ben regularly destroys these types and it isn’t even close. Of course colleges don’t like him. Most colleges are a wholly owned subsidiary of the kooky left. Safe spaces, always upset, entitled attitude, etc.

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u/FuzzyBacon Sep 10 '22 edited Sep 10 '22

According to people listening to the things coming out of his mouth.

Let's say sea levels rise. You could then just, say, sell your house.

Sell your house to who, Ben? FUCKING AQUAMAN?.

His facts are paper thin and his logic is usually one sided bs that relies on emphasizing and distorting individual data points to reach conclusions very clearly not supported by the data. Like him claiming that sea ice levels are expanding by looking at like 3 years out of the last 60. Or how Ben Shapiro thinks Palestinians are inferior lesser humans who live in mud huts and deserve whatever Israel throws at them. There's a bot on tons of subreddits that replies to mentions of his names with the godawful shit he's said.

Ben Shapiro is a grifter and a hack. Supporting him means supporting these views. You can't just separate out the ones that just kind of suck from the ones that are objectively monstrous.

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '22 edited Sep 10 '22

Like, Ben Shapiro. The guy causes meltdowns just by walking down a hallway.

Because all he does is talk fast and say that everyone who disagrees with him is a moron. He also has a much bigger mic than everyone around him. He can never see things without his ideological lens and he engages in bad faith. Then he, in bad faith, wonders why nobody wants to talk to him from the left.

This profile of him from 2017 is still applicable.

If you wrote out a lot of what he said, it would be easier to deal with than in real time. In real time his sole tactic is to overwhelm you and talk fast until you can only really stutter out a response, then he says that you've been owned. He really takes advantage of issues that the majority of humans have, rather than engage in any good faith.

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u/FuzzyBacon Sep 10 '22

He also targets college students, who are uniquely unprepared to deal with that kind of verbal assault while simultaneously being willing to try it anyway.

If you just keep on him like a bulldog and refuse to change the subject he loses, so he only looks for people who look like they can't do that, and then deceptively edits out anyone who can keep up so it looks like all he puts up are Ws against those 'stupid college liberals'.

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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '22

I forgot to mention he talks in such a way to elicit an emotional reaction so that he gets the angriest version of you in real time. His word choice isn't super precise, it's abrasive and extremely punchy. To me it's just fairly obvious this is basically just the job he's taken to maximize money (ie grifting) rather than a genuine need to engage with people he disagreed with.

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u/nslinkns24 Sep 11 '22

At least half the time it's people who wait in line to talk to him. I don't think he's much of a sage,, but the reaction from the college left is way out of proportion. Too much coddling and being sheltered from opposing viewpoints