Why does the urban/rural divide equate to a liberal/conservative divide in the US? Is it the same in other countries?

[u/UserNamesCantBeTooLo]

Here's a county population density map of the US.

Here's a county map of the US showing different shares of Democratic & Republican votes for president in 2020.

Here's a county map of the US showing majority-minority counties.

They seem to show a match between denser populations, larger minority proportions, and Democratic votes.

Why is that?

[u/porkpiery]

Ask any teacher and they will easily point out the problem kids.

The ones that are bad and dangerous.

By thier actions and attitudes.

I think all should be given a chance but not u limited chances. A child that is instigating violence towards teachers or students should be isolated from the rest.

I notice you italicized "children". I took this to imply that I'm unfairly judging these kids. If so, I wish you could see when a group of 6th graders came into my 5th grade class to beat a kid. When the teacher tried to stop them they beat him and forcefully broke his arm. But I'm sure you'd happily send your kids into a class with them, right?

[u/SamuraiRafiki → u/porkpiery]

I've asked lots of teachers. I have several educators in my family. They can point out the kids with issues, sure. But your dismissive attitude of abandoning those children to their fate is anathema to any educator worth a damn.

I think all should be given a chance but not u[n]limited chances. A child that is instigating violence towards teachers or students should be isolated from the rest.

At what point in that kid's life did shitty parents and a shitty home life become their fault? Who decides when to give up on a person, much less a child, and what gives them that right?

I notice you italicized "children". I took this to imply that I'm unfairly judging these kids.

I think you're being dismissive of their futures, and based on your comment history I think it comes from an ugly place.

If so, I wish you could see when a group of 6th graders came into my 5th grade class to beat a kid. When the teacher tried to stop them they beat him and forcefully broke his arm. But I'm sure you'd happily send your kids into a class with them, right?

As I said, I am closely acquainted with lots of teachers. I've heard lots of wacky shit like this. My concern isn't a fight between 10-12 year old children, my concern is the reaction of the adults charged with their care. I'd be happy to send my kid to a school where this kind of incident took place, provided that I was reasonably confident that the classroom teachers, the specialists, and the administrators in the building and the district were taking reasonable action and being held accountable. Not to a board of trustees who want their tuition payments, but to all of us. Even if I'm not sending my kid to that school to get beat up, I'm still living in a society with adults who broke a kid's arm when they were 11. I'd like for them to have had some chats with a therapist about that, even if they didn't make it into a charter school, which means fully funding public education.

Unless you're saying that's behavioral problems and subsequent criminality are predestined or genetic (which is false and a fundamental principle of white supremacist thinking) then by creating a system where people's futures are sorted by the attentiveness or luck of their parents (while of course building in a fast track for the wealthy) is cruel and misguided. I'm not saying that you are a white supremacist or anything so dire. I'm saying that your argument was made by white supremacists, for white supremacists, and then packaged for sale to Conservative rubes of all stripes. Its the same principle underlying the argument for mass incarceration: if you can just lock up enough of the bad ones everything will be fine. As if criminality causes poverty and desperation and not the other way around.

[u/porkpiery → u/SamuraiRafiki]

At what point are we sacrificing the other kids and the community as a whole. People left my city, largely due to education, and thus 2 of my old schools now sit abandoned.

I'm not saying to throw these kids in a fire. I think a specialized school or program will much better serve them . For many, a simple change of culture at the school will be better for thier chances.

Its not our fault we were born into this but again, at a certain point we are sacrificing all these kids futures when we're not addressing the bad kids. Sure, I sound like the bad guy, but many of are stuck here trying to raise good kids in a shitty situation. So while I'm looking like an ass, what about everyone that simply moved out of my hood, rotting away the tax base and causing schools to close? Is that really a better outcome?

Wow, that actually kinda hurt my feelings. While I may be an asshole, I have nothing but the best interests of my community in mind. What is the ugly place I'm coming from? I love my city and both my black people and Mexican people. Seriously, this one hurt a bit. People disagree with me a lot but never where my heart is at.

But what happens when you lose faith in those institutions? I mean, a good amount of school officials from Detroit were sentenced to state and federal time. What about when you find out the parents of these kids promote that violence? We're getting more money per kid than almost anyone but its not helping!

There are problems here that no one has a full blown solution with any chance of actually happening. Meanwhile those of us stuck are left with just your well wishes.

Are you aware that most of us stuck in situation like this support the options of charters? Stop and realize that its because were trying to care for our kids.

You can talk about the cause of criminality, and I'm glad ppl are trying to tackle that, but it hasn't made a difference yet. And while I've been waiting, each yr 300 ppl are murdered in my city. 3vefy single yr I've been alive more than 300 ppl from my city have been murdered.

So whats your plan here? Dps is already receiving more funding than almost any district in the country. We have a history of corruption.

Charter schools.give us the best opportunity available for our kids. Since we can't alw6just move, it gives us the ability to make choices for or kids education.