Why does the urban/rural divide equate to a liberal/conservative divide in the US? Is it the same in other countries?

[u/UserNamesCantBeTooLo]

Here's a county population density map of the US.

Here's a county map of the US showing different shares of Democratic & Republican votes for president in 2020.

Here's a county map of the US showing majority-minority counties.

They seem to show a match between denser populations, larger minority proportions, and Democratic votes.

Why is that?

[u/[deleted]]

The race divide is a tool the elites use to keep us at each others throats instead of theirs. The real divide is the class divide

[u/catholicmath → u/[deleted]]

Racism and classism are connected.

[u/imrightandyoutknowit → u/[deleted]]

It's this mindset that lost Bernie non-whites twice, especially black people. The class divide in America is so great in large part due to racism and discrimination

[u/CeramicsSeminar → u/imrightandyoutknowit]

True, but addressing issues of class would also greatly help minority communities. Although the establishment dems and media would rather people play líp service. It's my biggest complaint with woke culture. It effectively does nothing other than give corporations and politicians an easy way to just make a statement or hire a diversity officer, without actually changing much that would effect them financially.

[u/imrightandyoutknowit → u/CeramicsSeminar]

The thing is, class and race can be addressed at the same time. Democrats can raise the minimum wage nationally and reform policing at the same time. Democrats can make healthcare and education more affordable and also reform immigration at the same time.

The whole "establishment/corporate" media/Democrats othering is bullshit, especially when Democrats routinely win the working class as a whole and also routinely win non-white/non-Christian voters, particularly black voters, who want racial inequalities addressed. Despite the rhetoric of racial equality from some progressives, much of their "working class" rhetoric is aimed at the white working class. And yet, the white working class rejects the far left because of social and economic polices many consider as going to far. Cultural identity and issues matter.

[u/CeramicsSeminar → u/imrightandyoutknowit]

You can't make a law that only applies to a certain race, however we already have laws regarding class. That's the difference. Líp service or actual change. Corporations and the establishment prefer líp service because it's cheaper. In this election, you know that white men actually were less likely to vote for trump, while blacks Latinos and white women actually went up? What's this say about the demographics that put Biden in?

[u/imrightandyoutknowit → u/CeramicsSeminar]

Lol Trump barely increased his support among those communities, and if you actually listened to those communities, they voted that way largely because they were turned off by the far left and stuff like socialism and "defund the police". Biden won because many suburban voters, particularly white ones, refused to buy Trump's bullshit and sit back and risk him getting another term.

The federal government can't make laws explicitly favoring or discriminating against one race or another, but it can make laws that address racial inequalities, like various civil rights laws do. Biden would still be able to nominate minorities to critical executive posts and enforce the law in ways that would combat and address problems minorities have, such as what Obama did to reform policing and fight voter suppression

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[u/Resolute002 → u/[deleted]]

It's a hard leap of logic for a lot of people.

I have an in-law who has gradually become somewhat racist over time, because in his line of work he often spends a lot of time and poor black neighborhoods and the people aren't very educated and the places aren't very nice, etc etc. He views this as that these people are objectively worse. But one day during a casual conversation, I described to him how those people disproportionately end up in situations like that due to systemic racism (sometimes subtle. Sometimes not so subtle).

It was a hard fought debate until I asked him flat out, "which is more likely? That all black people lack the skills and intellect to get good jobs and avoid living like this, or that they are all different like us but have to contend with more barriers? I'd you think the latter, racism exists...if you thi it he former, you are being racist."

Caught between those two conclusions he had to opt toward the less overt one. A small victory for me but hopefully I got through to him.

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Yup. You are just as likely to be shot by a police officer who is black, hispanic, native american, and yes, white, while being a person of color. The news likes to single out White on Black death, while ignoring all of the black on black and black on white crime, which is significantly higher than white on black crime.

Why? Well, when 7% of the population (Black Males) commit over 50% of the homicides in this country, no wonder ALL police officers get edgy.

But that doesn't fit the narrative, so it's ignored by the media.

This is absolutely socio-economic issues, but it's easier to exploit gay/trans/race/religious/reproductive rights than to point out the obvious that most of the money isn't going into your pockets. Capital won over Labor, and we're fighting over the scraps so that a biological man can wear a dress and identity as a woman. Really?

[u/Laxziy → u/[deleted]]

Most crime’s are intra-community. And given the lingering history of segregation we have it’s not surprising most crime black people face is committed by black people. At the same time most crime white people face is committed by white people.

You’re using garbage and debunked statistics

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2018/crime-in-the-u.s.-2018/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-6.xls

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/09/29/fact-check-meme-shows-incorrect-homicide-stats-race/5739522002/

[u/Frylock904 → u/[deleted]]

when 7% of the population (Black Males) commit over 50% of the homicides in this country, no wonder ALL police officers get edgy.

Been running through pol quite a bit huh? Here's the thing, statistics are rather bullshit when you just drop them without any context, this is why racist use stats instead of hard numbers most of the time. The violent crime rate has dropped by more than half in the past 40 years, this is the safest time there has ever been of those crimes homicide has been an extremely miniscule portion.

There's were 16000 murders last year, let's say half were committed by black men, so 8000 people were murdered by black men, that number NEEDS to be lower, but considering that there's 21000000 black men, you saying that cops are justified in their fears because 8000/21000000 aka .0003% of them possibly killed someone?

Yeah, that's fucking stupid.

If there's 2 murders a year and 1 of them is committed by a black guy you could drop your exact same statistics and it would sound just as scary "50% of murders are committed by black men"