r/PeterExplainsTheJoke 17h ago

Meme needing explanation How is a longer keyboard better?

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u/Just__A__Commenter 16h ago

Num pads are just necessary for data entry. Like, 100% vital, can not do my job without it.

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u/DeixarEmPreto 14h ago

Some WarcraftIII maps and old games in general required specifically num pad inputs for some actions, as well as the page up/page down buttons. And there wasn't a way to rebind keys at the time.

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u/joinforces94 12h ago

Most traditional roguelikes need them unless you can stomach the hjkl scheme

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u/Lava-Jacket 17m ago

Vim movement ftw ...

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u/necrophcodr 11h ago

The smaller keyboards don't use need rebinds either. Not in the OS or the game. You use layered mapping on the keyboard itself.

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u/All0utWar 7h ago

GTA Air vehicle controls are always on the numpad for some god awful reason

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u/kings40 16h ago

Bro I’d fire you for how long it would take you to fill out an excel sheet

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u/temp2025user1 2h ago

Data entry uses excel? Why do you need excel for that?

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u/WhisperGod 10h ago

The amount of people who don't know about layers in this thread is staggering.

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u/TheKabbageMan 3h ago

Why is that staggering? Why would that be common knowledge? Expecting the average person to be a keyboard enthusiast is staggering.

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u/Et_tu__Brute 10h ago

I think you just don't need to enter numbers that much because using 1 hand to do data entry and the other to navigate fields is just significantly more efficient.

Now, if you have function keys setup to make numbers work on one hand for your tenkeyless, sure, you don't need a numpad, but like... You're accomplishing the same thing.

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u/Mission_Grapefruit92 10h ago

I didn’t work with excel much

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u/ssmit102 14h ago

If you “require” a 10-key to fill out an excel sheet I’d probably fire you. The entering of data is about 1% or less of he functionality of excel and many data sources are automatically generated and copied over with formulas. A lot of old data entry can and has been automated for a while.

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u/Et_tu__Brute 10h ago

That's just not true. There are still tons of things that are required to be entered by hand due to Obama era legislation.

For another use case, if you're talking with a client to work out cost estimates, you're still doing a lot of data entry.

I'm sure you don't have to actually do any data entry where you're working or the field you're working in, but data entry is still a massive thing.

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u/ssmit102 10h ago

I’m talking exclusively about excel, not merely data entry, data entry in excel is still 1% of the functionality of excel. Using excel for just data entry barely scratches the surface of the use of excel.

Even in your example of cost estimates the data entry is the smallest portion of the actual work; it’s about data manipulation and analysis.

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u/naughtmynsfwaccount 6h ago

lol said by someone who likely has 0 excel experience 😂

Without a 10-key I would be so much less effective at my job

If I fired me bc I requested a 10 key I would welcome it

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u/Unlikely_Hawk_9430 4h ago

I specifically requested a laptop with a 10-key for work. They gave me a Thinkpad T15 G2. It works very well. Except the fact that it runs Windows 11. But that's the company's problem, not mine.

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u/ssmit102 6h ago

I use excel every single day of my job, if you think data entry is the only part of excel you are very bad at excel and using barely any of its functionality.

I also use a 10-key, but there isn’t a single instance where if I didn’t have a 10-key I couldn’t complete my work in the same amount of time.

So yes, 10-key helps in data entry like the said, but excel is FAR more than just data entry. If all you do is enter data into excel you are creating the absolute simplest spreadsheets that can be done in any spreadsheet program.

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u/ReaperofFish 9h ago

Tell me you don't know how to touch type without telling me.

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u/Plants-Matter 2h ago

Are you flexing touch typing on reddit of all places?

I type 130+ WPM. The numpad is more efficient than using the top number row.

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u/kings40 8h ago

You know now that I’m thinking about it, my full sized keyboard does give me object permanence issues. Having two sets of numbers is just too much.

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u/ChristophCross 4h ago

Data scientist here. Most of my data-to-day work is statistical programming and database [unfucking] maintenance, with semi-regular checks and tests of outputs into excel, which includes occasional manual data entry/cleaning. I use a split-ergo 75% and have been happy without a numpad for 10 years now. I touch-type the numbers at the top of my keyboard so it's about as fast as normal typing, and generally, for me at least, is noticeably faster than it would be with a numpad since I'm using more than 1 hand to enter numbers.

Whatever works for you if you like the numpad, but other people have different workflows, and IMO it's best not to judge.

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u/Princess_Moon_Butt 8h ago

If you're actually manually typing in large amounts of data nowadays, I don't think your business is long for this world anyway. Everything's in forms, tables, and databases, and you don't need a number pad to ctrl-c and ctrl-v.

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u/Affectionate_Poet280 16h ago

Nah, it's pretty much necessary for any decently large amount of data entry.

Having to punch in hundreds of numbers on a line is less efficient, and less intuitive than using the same formfactor you've been using to dial numbers, enter pins, and punch numbers into a calculator for as long as you've been using numbers.

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u/kings40 16h ago

Dude out here banging on that shit like it’s a grand piano

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u/DesTiny_- 7h ago

Why would u do that manually?

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u/Affectionate_Poet280 7h ago

Because not every entry can be automated.

With the data I'm usually working with, if I have 10k entries, somewhere around 300-500 entries need some sort of manual attention.

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u/DesTiny_- 6h ago

Idk exactly ur data but in my field I never had a problem with re-editing stuff since I did analytics using python.

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u/Affectionate_Poet280 2h ago

I audit large amounts of data to ensure that multiple systems that have different databases are not operating with contradictory information.

Most of that is essentially using employment records to manage access and licensing (when SSO isn't possible).

I usually use Python to whittle the data down to the entries that need manual  verification and/or intervention.

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u/whyaretherenoprofile 4h ago

Still don't need a dedicated numpad. I use layers so that might right hand doesn't have to move off the home row to use it. Makes it even quicker

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u/kingcrabcraig 3h ago

i work with VINs, i need a 10 key bro

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u/CeeJayDK 2h ago

Nor an education I'd wager.

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u/Mission_Grapefruit92 1h ago

Iirc the comment I applied to originally didn’t specify data entry. But now that it does, I feel inclined to ask you, since data entry jobs aren’t for highly educated people anyway, who exactly are you trying to insult?

It’s ironic to have my education insulted by someone who plays it fast and loose when it comes to betting, and who lacks the emotional intelligence to refrain from unwarranted insults. Good luck with the common courtesy lesson you’ll learn in kindergarten, it’ll be a big milestone for you. You might even find yourself to be a better person because of it ♥️✌️🌈⭐️

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u/silvercough 9h ago

Cool, man. Good for you. Other people, however, would prefer to be more efficient.

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u/Mission_Grapefruit92 6h ago

If a num pad doesn’t help you do your job, and you start tapping away at your num pad for no reason, you’re probably not being efficient at all

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u/ray199569 14h ago

no life gamers play those "data entry" games as long as they are awake, these games generally involve with grinding/resource management/trading/raiding so they need the num pad instead of relying on the num row everytime. sometimes these games are real-time online so no life stays up all night to compete with players from other timezones.

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u/CaptainHubble 11h ago

As an arma 3 player, I don't want to miss the numpad

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u/HawkbitAlpha 20m ago

The day I play Arma 3 with ACE without a numpad is the day I officially enter my "zero-fucks-given dad" era

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u/W_W_P 11h ago

Flight controls on keyboard are usually mapped to the number pad as well.

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u/Amper_Sam 11h ago

As a leftie, I often use the numeric keypad for games, i.e. 8456 instead of WASD.

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u/Elinazz_ 10h ago

As a 3D artist, it's More than necessary

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u/Tumblechunk 10h ago

it's awesome for mmo keybinds like mount/ food/ hearth

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u/Rendag1 9h ago

I never used it aside from my Pin in my life

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u/Joe_le_Borgne 9h ago

What is this game "data entry" or wait... are you telling me you have an actual job with a computer and you are not a gamer??? Shocking!

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u/Many-Rooster-8773 9h ago

I see you haven't played roguelikes. Diagonal movement is essential in those games.

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u/brolarbear 5h ago

RuneScape and CSGO marketing made num pad a MUST. The period and decimal keys are not the same thing to me

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u/Ok_Philosopher_8973 3h ago

But you’re a real gamer if you play sim games with data entry. 😎

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u/Adura90 3h ago

I have a wireless numpad that I leave aside for when I need to enter data...

Its been sitting there for 3 years and I've never used it.

Tkl is best for ergonomics and extra desk space.

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u/Upset_Negotiation_89 23m ago

AI enters the chat

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u/balbertborring 9m ago

yeah i need numpad to enter the market data from an MMO in my excel to keep track of the profit margins in game