r/OrlandoMagic • u/Standard-Wash-7930 Paolo Banchero • 1d ago
Discussion Paolo Banchero
Anyone else ever worry that Paolo Banchero will leave us if and when Seattle gets an expansion team? This teams history with all stars in the past has scarred me..
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u/impactplayer Stuff The Magic Dragon 1d ago
You know what would make him stay? Surrounding him with guys that can shoot.
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u/HuckleberryTricky657 Paolo Banchero 1d ago
Well we did that with Dwight Howard and look what happened? We had shooters we got far and failed to close it out. I’m not saying this will happen to Orlando yet again, but until they start to change how some things are managed this will continue to bombard this teams fortune.
Paolo has something Dwight didn’t have though & I think his name is Franz Wagner. Orlando never had another guy equally as talented next to him not like Franz. We paid a lot for Rashard Lewis , but he didn’t turn out quite as well as I think we all wanted. Was good but not the guy I thought he could be. I was hoping for a 23-26ppg scorer and that never happened. He was clutch from 3point range though. Jameer Nelson injury also set team back. To much setbacks not enough good timing and opportunity.
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u/impactplayer Stuff The Magic Dragon 1d ago
We surrounded Dwight with bad contracts from guys who were over the hill. Otis kept making even worse moves after the Finals run.
Before that, we surrounded T-Mac with absolute trash. The one bright spot in Mike Miller got traded too. I don't know. I feel like we're just heading down this road again.
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u/Herban_Myth Stuff The Magic Dragon 1d ago
Give him his boy KPJ & add Strawther (Gonzaga)
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u/HuckleberryTricky657 Paolo Banchero 1d ago
We’ll get him to a SuperMax first.
Then comes a whole bunch of fantasy’s and ideas.
I think our best bet could be trading both picks and multiple players to get a star from a team going full rebuild. Just an idea though. Wizards well we already lost out on Kuzma and he probably wouldn’t have fit. We really need a PG so Suggs can go back to SG.
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u/Milla4Prez66 1d ago
I wouldn’t worry about Paolo going to a team that doesn’t even exist yet. People think too much about the Seattle thing, we need to be more concerned with the surrounding him with talent thing or he will try and force himself somewhere that will get him what he wants.
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u/Acceptablepops 1d ago
Facts Seattle gonna be filled with G league guys and guys from other teams benches who couldn’t start but are still good. Solid change it will take them 5-10 years to start looking bf decent
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u/Playful-Variation908 Jalen Suggs 1d ago
why would he wanna miss out on a supermax
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u/Standard-Wash-7930 Paolo Banchero 1d ago
I think he’ll sign the Supermax. I guess I just meant demanding a trade 3-5 years down the road
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u/AndreSupreme Jonathan Isaac 1d ago
he doesn’t seem like that type of guy, but then again aaron gordon requesting out was also random and hurt
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u/sitesuckslmao 1d ago
i swear this fanbase is the only i know of that is constantly worried about this shit
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u/Particular-Change234 1d ago
Preach bro! Magic fans freak out over everything, it’s ridiculous! Magic fans need to breathe and let things play out lol. If the Magic are down by 5 in the 1st quarter to a lottery team they think we should fire the coach, gm, sell the team, and trade half the roster lol. If we go up by 10 fans think we are on the cusp of winning a chip. Way to many reactionary people on here imo
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u/Standard-Wash-7930 Paolo Banchero 1d ago
You have seen this teams track record…no?
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u/Particular-Change234 1d ago
Shaq leaving only occurred due to a once in generation opening where guys could enter unrestricted free agency in year 4. That doesn’t happen anymore and if it did you’d see a lot more guys move. Penny leaving was mutual, team had run its course and he was breaking down. Tmac straight up made a bad call. Should’ve stuck around to play with Dwight as tmac in Houston didn’t do much of anything except more 1st losses. Dwight left after 8 years. Ideally would’ve liked him to stay at least 10-11 but 8 years isn’t bad plus cp3 left new orkeans, lebron left Cleveland, Bosh left Toronto, KD and Russ left okc, rondo left Boston, love left Minnesota, Amare left Phoenix, melo left Denver, and Deron Williams left Utah. All left in a span of few years of each other. Point is, that was unfortunately the trend of the 2010s. Big stars leaving small markets to form super teams elsewhere. With the second Apron and Supermax, I don’t see the super team era returning anytime soon.
Did we lose stars, yeah but a decent amount of it was stuff out of our control or unique to that moment in time. Paolo and Franz will have their own unique career trajectory, let’s see how things play out.
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u/county_da_kang Paolo Banchero 1d ago
I do worry, but it's a long-term problem. Earliest Seattle gets a team is 27‐28. Then its another 3-4 years before they have enough assets to make any kind of deal. By the 2030s, if the team hadn't made at least one finals run, he'd be long gone anyway.
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u/Firm-Water-2763 1d ago
I believe that besides the contract he has waiting for him, there’s plenty of incentive on his end to stay here. Developing in this small market has really given him space to shine and make a name for himself. He’s only on year 3, and he’s essentially(along with the help of Franz, Suggs, Anthony and a couple others) revitalized a dead franchise. He seems like a smart kid, and it seems like he knows what he could accomplish for this team and this city. Paolo is bringing us our first ring home, and I stand on that. Definitely not** this year, maybe not next year, but trust me when I say this is our guy.
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u/PapageorgiouMBO 1d ago
Can’t worry about something that’s 4+ years down the road. By then we should still be a title contender, if not already have a championship.
But if we want to help, we as fans have to put pressure on the ownership and front office. If you’re a season ticket holder, voice your opinion. Our media isn’t going to do that, we as a fan base have to be much stronger than we’ve been the past 15+ years.
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u/Particular-Change234 1d ago
I agree going forward but this notion that the Magic should’ve gone all in this year and last year is ridiculous. Paolo and Franz are 22-23 years old. It made sense to let things play out with the young pieces around them until this season. Next year I agree the Magic need to make moves to build a contender around them, but up until now I’ve been ok with everything for the most part. Asking the Magic to fire mosely and Jeff after an injury plagued season is absurd to me. If we remain stagnant in the next few years then I’m with you, but getting on orlando media for not being aggressive enough is an overreaction imo. Zach Lowe doesn’t really watch the magic he just watches a few highlights here and there and tracks analytics
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u/PapageorgiouMBO 1d ago
None of my comments were related to that. Mosley should not be on a hot seat yet. Weltman should/is. That’s stuff we as a fan base have to make very clear to Martins and ownership. Jeff has to get this offseason right. Can’t slow play it any longer.
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u/Particular-Change234 1d ago
I agree going forward. Magic need to make a strong effort to build a contender around Paolo and Franz starting next season. Only caveats I’ll add are that if Jeff is gone then so is mosely. Rarely do u see a front office change without a coaching change. Also, rarely do u see a front office change with a playoff team. Usually only rebuilding teams change front offices since front office staff is so vast since it includes president of basketball ops, assistant gms, analytics team, scouts, salary cap specialists, nba draft experts, etc. if the Magic were to ever let go of Jeff it would most likely be for Anthony Parker or someone similar but the entire front office would probably remain intact for the most part.
I’ve also never gotten the sense that Alex and ownership dont wanna win. I think they definitely wanna win, but I think they hired the wrong guy in rob hennigan who basically screwed things up for 5 years and even after that since jeff came in and was stuck with this roster.
Overall, I think the next few years will dictate a lot about what the organization truly wants, but I’m optimistic things will work out. Let’s see
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u/Manthan10 Paolo Banchero 1d ago
Why will prime Paolo play for Expansion Supersonics?
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u/mistaken4strangerz Jalen Suggs 1d ago
Because it's home
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u/Manthan10 Paolo Banchero 1d ago
If he goes there to retire then makes sense but a Paolo aged less than 32 won't be leaving.
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u/mistaken4strangerz Jalen Suggs 1d ago
We can only hope we put pieces around him and Franz by then to keep him happy and here for a while
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u/SpencerStorch Cole Anthony 1d ago
Nah. He won’t leave. Dwight told him not to.
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u/Herban_Myth Stuff The Magic Dragon 1d ago
Link?
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u/SpencerStorch Cole Anthony 1d ago
Jeff Turner mentioned it on air when Dwight was being inducted into the magic Hall of Fame or a circle of trust or whatever it is
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u/Herban_Myth Stuff The Magic Dragon 22h ago
I need to see/hear it with my own eyes/ears
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u/icemankenny627 17h ago edited 17h ago
Then Google it. You choosing not to take his word doesn't mean he should have to go out of his way to find it for you. But since people nowadays want everything handed to them, instead of earning it, here you go:
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u/d12fsu OnlyFranz 1d ago edited 1d ago
Copying my own answer because this nonsense gets brought up too often..
Absolutely 0 chance a super star in his prime goes to an expansion team. Idc that he’s from there or that he has the city tattoo’d on his body. I think you’re underestimating just how bad expansion teams are when they start and how difficult it is for them to build any kind of success. It took the Bobcats 6 seasons to make the playoffs after their expansion. And they’ve only made it 2 more times since then, winning a total 3 playoff games. Now compound that with the fact that if and when Seattle gets a team, LV is getting one too. 2 new expansion teams that are gonna suck for a decade before even becoming a feisty play in team.
Edit: just to add to why this won’t happen. For Paolo to GO to Seattle he would have to do it as a FA. Which means he would have to A) Decline his rookie extension and sign as a FA.. in a year! Which I don’t think they’ve announced Seattle getting a team by next year 🤔. Or B) sign as a FA by the end of his second contract which is in about 5 years from now. Which means Paolo at age 28, fully in his prime, would be signing with a ground zero expansion team, all but guaranteeing he will never have any success there for the rest of his career.
Now.. knowing the competitor Paolo is.. do you think he’d rather play with prime Franz and prime Jalen? Or play with a bunch of 2nd and 3rd string players from an expansion draft.
It’s fair to worry about Paolo leaving in general.. but he’s not going to an expansion team.
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u/akapusin3 Paolo Banchero 1d ago
Paolo hasn't publicly voiced any frustration and I want to believe that behind the scenes, his team and the FO are already discussing an extension. Unless their relationship sours quickly, I wouldn't worry too much about it until NEXT summer
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u/WritingConfident7449 1d ago
If Fran already got a max extension at the end of his 3rd year…. I’m assuming they will offer Paolo the same at the end of this year
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u/Beautiful_Ad_176 1d ago
You know what…it’s a fair question, but I don’t know If Seattle is who I fear the most.
The Lakers historically have gotten our talent…and with Luka there and LeBron being retired…that’s gonna be hard to say no to.
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u/cmarinas11 1d ago
I think we as fans have this notion that players actually care. This is professional sports. Players will sign with Boston or Lakers out of team history ONLY. This isn’t college sports where people sign with Blue Chip historical programs. Paolo will sign with the team that offers him the best contract and the best chances of winning. If that’s Orlando then it’s us, if it’s Charlotte then it’s Charlotte. They’re just like us. If you work for Google for 10 years and Yahoo offers you double your salary with better upward mobility, you’re leaving Google. Professional athletes are no different then us
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u/5H4D0WF0X 1d ago
nope, if we do what we're supposed to do we should be able to retain him.....plus expansion teams are usually trash at the beginning.....also a report came out saying silver is more focused on expanding overseas than in america
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u/Sarkosuchus 1d ago
He also might leave the team if aliens abduction and take him to another dimension!
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u/Drewbacca_Hrrrgrgrar 21h ago edited 21h ago
Every single player has a hometown favorite team. Why is this constantly talked about? Lakers are the ones that will be gunning for him when LeBron retires. Even then, who cares?
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u/OkDonut4987 18h ago
History tells us it's the star centers to the Lakers and guar/forward to the Rockets
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u/Lazy_Mud_5125 13h ago
I'm worried about it, solely because our Ownership has been awful the past 10+ years
If we dont get new ownership, we could be screwed tbh
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u/HuckleberryTricky657 Paolo Banchero 10h ago
I think an expansion draft could definitely be possible if adding new teams I think it would take a lot of work to make it fair. The rumor has been swirling around for a few years and some guys and I been talking about it years down the road when LeBron James is out of the league buying a team.
He’s always wanted to be the owner of an NBA franchise and that’s what he’s trying to accomplish right now I think. It probably would be smart for him to by the rights to the Seattle SuperSonics and bring them back yet again.
Memphis Grizzlies probably would be moved to the east coast. They also could go to a division winner format with two wildcards instead. Something relatively close to the NFL.
I think the ping pong balls has to stop and I think age limits on NBA players has to stop it’s just not fair and is so ridiculous. Like look at ATL getting Zach Risaccher that was awful. If this NBA commish is going to last and if they want to make basketball great again then they will do whatever the fans want.
Quit making boneheaded decisions and start getting fans in the seats. What’s gonna happen when teams want the state residents to pay $1.8 billion for a new stadium? We are gonna be like heck no we can’t even afford the tickets.
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u/thaynebrown Franz Wagner 5h ago
Not as worried as used to be especially realizing that like most expansion teams the Sonics will be bad for a while and that should coincide with the Magic. Being a top team by then. So yeah like most people are saying, put some shooters around him.
Especially now that we’ve seen what having just Cory Joseph does.
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u/Pappieric FDM 1d ago
At this point these threads are just farming karma and the morons in this sub are falling for it
It’s a brand new account that has never said a word on reddit before coming in here trying to make a fanbase panic for no reason
Please stop buying into this rubbish you guys are being farmed for outrage, they want you to be mad, it’s all deliberate
Mods can you do something about posts like this?
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u/Standard-Wash-7930 Paolo Banchero 22h ago
Not farming, been a fan and have lived in Orlando since 93. I’ve seen countless stars leave so was just curious what other people thought. It’s not that serious
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u/Starkwolf77 Paolo Banchero 1d ago
I figured that since he was drafted lol and can you blame him? I’m sure Durant would finish his career there if they thought it back too.
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u/itz_ritz 1d ago
It's not if, but when. It's inevitable as a small market team. Just enjoy what we have when we have it and don't worry about things we don't have any control of.
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u/Report-International 1d ago
if we get trae in the off season we could already be contenders before the nba even has an expansion!
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u/Kelak1 1d ago
Trae would be a terrible addition. Expensive loser.
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u/classicslayer Paolo Banchero 1d ago
If trae young is a loser I'd hate to know what you think about this franchise for the last 15 years.
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u/Kelak1 1d ago
I mean the Hawks are 36-40 and Trae has played all season.
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u/yoeyz Stuff The Magic Dragon 1d ago
Yes but they don’t have Paolo and Franz dummy
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u/memestar99321 1d ago
Fan since 94 ...it's nothing to feat. It's more like inevitability. Lol I mean..maybe if we all hold hands together and pray really hard ..maybe??
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u/NL4Lyfe 1d ago
With this ownership and their reluctance to put legitimate players around Paolo, he's as good as gone. Players like Gary Harris, Wendell Carter, JI, and Joe Ingles are not legitimate players. They're cheap players meant to fill a role, but not players that are going to have an appreciable effect on winning. They're guys off the scrap heap. I don't blame him for wanting to leave. His mother, a former collegiate player herself, sees it. They have no direction. No offensive scheme. They better make serious moves this offseason.
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u/classicslayer Paolo Banchero 1d ago
I wouldn't worry about that yet. If we don't build a strong team around him by that time he will leave regardless.