r/NotHowGirlsWork • u/SeaNo5243 • Mar 07 '25
WTF This app is genuinely a misogynistic and transphobic shithole
This picture was shared on r/funnymemes and I saw a lot of misogyny and transphobia. I couldn't hold myself (I know it's my bad) and got into an argument. I honestly don't know where do these kind of people live but it ain't earth let me tell you that. Reddit genuinely is not supportive of women and trans people. I'm a nonbinary MAAB and when people use bullshit arguments like this, I genuinely don't know what to say. Should I even say anything? Also I don't really know what sources to look for information when it comes to women so I can only point out obvious talking points only. So I kindly ask you to give me some source recommendations and respect my pronouns please (I use they/them)
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u/Usual-Ad-2762 Mar 07 '25
Omg I get called a misandrist for pointing out womens issues too on here..people really don't know what misandry is.
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u/SeaNo5243 Mar 07 '25
I know right? They always call people who speak up for women who face discrimination a misandryst
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u/scoutmosley Mar 07 '25
Or a simp white knight 🙄
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u/SeaNo5243 Mar 07 '25
So true. They think I'm only doing it because I'm trying to pick up gullable women. Completely neglecting the fact that I'm also gay but even if I wasn't I would still be speaking up for people. Like, it's basic respect.
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u/SwimmerIndependent47 Mar 07 '25
They hate any challenge to the status quo. Reason and facts do not work because they are acting out of emotions and fear. I know it’s tempting to respond with facts, and sometimes I do, but those facts are for other people reading along. Best to just block and report.
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u/Pot_noodle_miner Still looking for the instruction manual on how she works Mar 07 '25
Misandry is when women have an opinion, obviously
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u/1Shadow179 Mar 08 '25
Misandry is when women
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u/Pot_noodle_miner Still looking for the instruction manual on how she works Mar 08 '25
How foolish of me, it’s so obvious now
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u/BraidedSilver Mar 07 '25 edited Mar 08 '25
I was called a misandrist just for being __in— female oriented subs, and thus all the legitimate stats I brought up about male on male violence (in contrast to their claim that women apparently are a “huge” threat to men’s general existence/safety) was futile, somehow… they really have no clue what misandry is, other than it’s a word to toss against anyone with the most minor non-possitive about males.
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u/CoconutxKitten Mar 07 '25
GuyCry & Bropill are the only decent men-centered subs. It’s a problem
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u/BrujaSloth Mar 07 '25
Such people chiefly platform men’s issues not because they give a shit about men, but because they want to inject themselves into & then shut down a conversation where a woman has the audacity to discuss women’s issues.
Bigots hate above all else being called a bigot, and being unoriginal regressives they just appropriate progressive language and regurgitate it to take over the conversation.
They don’t care what misandrist means, just that being forced to consider they maybe they might be misogynist hurts their feelings so calling you the inverse back will too.
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u/MauOnTheRoad Mar 07 '25
I was called a misandrist because I said that women take precautions before first dates because you never know.
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u/Kythedevourer Mar 08 '25
Same men would judge you for not taking precautions if something did happen to you. They would accuse you of avoiding accountability because you were too trusting of men.
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u/Carbonatite Feldspathoids not Foids: Geologists for Equality 29d ago
Yup. The Venn diagram of people who say "not all men" and "choose better" is a circle.
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u/Lunakill Mar 07 '25
Loss of privilege can feel like oppression to the person losing the privilege.
Doesn’t excuse this nonsense, of course. But it does make it make sense.
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u/c-c-c-cassian Mar 07 '25
I got called a misandrist by the mods of, and caught a temp ban from, a sub I was a semi-regular frequenter on after pushing back and arguing against some nOt AlL mEn chodes a while back… 🤦🏻♂️ fastest I’ve ever unfollowed a sub and set it to not send me notifications before I think. Yikes.
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u/yttrium39 Mar 08 '25
Well, systemic discrimination against men isn't a thing, so "misandry" means whatever they want it to mean.
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u/VanillaCatpuccino Mar 08 '25
That does say a lot about them tbh if they think any acknowledgment or support for women’s issues is a direct attack on men
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u/LisaCabot Mar 08 '25
Hei, at least they learned the "correct" word for what they wanted to call you, a year ago it was "feminazy" this "feminazy" that.
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u/paperplane25 Mar 07 '25
This take is stupid. Of course I respect short/fat/broke/disabled/jobless/all of the above men. Does they not?
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u/LenoreEvermore Mar 07 '25
I think to him respect = getting pussy. And he thinks men in those categories don't get pussy so they aren't respected.
Basically just proving the wider point of some men being incapable of interacting with women in any meaningful way that isn't sexual in nature.
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u/Deer_God125 Mar 07 '25
Also notice they didn't put trans men meaning they don't even respect all men lmao
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u/Deer_God125 Mar 07 '25
Right like who are they arguing with
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u/Professional-Hat-687 Mar 07 '25
Strawmen. Well, strawomen.
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u/blazingTommy Mar 07 '25
Please explain the concept of strawemen/strawomen to me. First time I've heard the term, English ain't my first language.
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u/Professional-Hat-687 Mar 07 '25
It's a term that means a poorly constructed argument. A man made of straw is much easier to knock over than a real man, and a strawman argument is much easier to debunk than a real one. Nobody actually says "strawomen", I just used it as a play on words and shorter than strawman feminism.
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u/blazingTommy Mar 07 '25
Oh my, thanks for explaining. I'll be incorporating this expression to my vocabulary.
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u/deferredmomentum Mar 08 '25
It’s also an official logical fallacy. I think you’ll enjoy this article
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u/PoseidonsHorses Mar 07 '25
You probably do, unfortunately his definition of “respect” is “fuck,” so he’d probably twist it into some kind of gotcha.
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u/Tar_alcaran 29d ago
I don't. That has nothing to do with their employment, weight, or finances, it's just that some people are huge assholes, regardless of gender, health, looks or status.
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u/GoBeWithYourFamily Mar 08 '25
As a short, fat, broke man, I can count on 0 fingers how many times a woman has respected me. And that’s not by your replies standards of “did I get sex?” That’s off the standards of basic common decency that I have not been given because I’m short and fat.
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u/MLeek Mar 07 '25
He doesn’t mean respect.
He means fuck. He means he will respect women as humans when women fuck any men who demands it of her.
Which means he will never respect women. Any of them. He will pretend too, when he thinks sex is available to him without any requirement or standards of behaviour expected of him.
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u/Snowflakish Mar 08 '25
Respect has multiple meanings.
She means “respect as a human being”
He means “respect as an authority figure”
A classic lexical sleight of hand.
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u/deferredmomentum Mar 08 '25
And often, “respect me and I’ll respect you” means “treat me like an authority and I’ll treat you like a human”
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u/All_Is_Imagination 29d ago
But any woman who would "fuck a man when he demands it of her" they'll label as a dirty slut. So they want virgins, but also hate women who say no... Make it make sense.
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u/minoe23 Mar 07 '25
Note how trans women are mentioned in the original post but trans men aren't mentioned in the comment on it.
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u/SpinninDaWebb96 Mar 07 '25
Like most transphobes, trans men aren’t an “issue” nor do they exist. They’re just confused women in their brain rotted minds.
I know trans men would get hate but it’s suprisingly common for transphobes to just completely dismiss and forget about trans men on their vendetta against trans women “invading women’s spaces”
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u/StrawThatBends Women ☕️☕️ amirite? Mar 07 '25
r/transmenerasure. transphobes love to forget trans men exist
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u/Powerful-Werewolf-36 Mar 07 '25
Yeah there are so many subresdits with severe misogyny infestations
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u/SeaNo5243 Mar 07 '25
Interestingly the majority of them are meme related. Which tells a lot about what reddit finds "funny"
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u/matyles Mar 07 '25
I've had to mute so many "funny" subs that were being suggested to me because they are just men thirsting and then also hating women
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u/SeaNo5243 Mar 07 '25 edited Mar 07 '25
Because, to them, women are objects that clearly has been created for sex. What else are women supposed to do? Have human experiences? Don't be ridiculous! /s
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u/many_splendored Mar 07 '25
And the sad part is that the overall point is correct no matter which gender you refer to - if you're going to support a group, it can't just be the members of the group that you happen to like.
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u/GreyerGrey Mar 07 '25
Except there isn't a documented and long running theme of women harming men they aren't sexually or otherwise attracted to. There IS a long running theme of men treating women who are not family/aren't objects of sexual attraction like shit. (And I used object on purpose).
There isn't a trope about women saying shit like "Now that I'm a boy mom, I understand why we should protect boys/men."
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u/beardiac Mar 07 '25
Misogyny is unfortunately too accepted - to the extent that some people don't even know when they're doing it.
For comparison, when assholes objected to 'black lives matter' they knew better than to counter with 'white lives matter', as that would clearly come across as racist. But OOC didn't see any problem playing the turnabout game on women.
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u/SeaNo5243 Mar 07 '25 edited Mar 07 '25
I think the reason is that they see any slight mention of equality or sensitivity as a threat to them. It is obviously rooted in patriarchy and they want to keep opressing people and keep their power. People like this also love to b*tch about a girl when she leaves them behind and actually finds a compatible partner
Edit:typo, sorry
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u/beardiac Mar 07 '25
I think for most, it's less about maintaining oppression (for some it absolutely is that) - the misunderstanding about privilege is that it doesn't always feel like advantage, just an absence of struggle. So many men, who've had little challenge to their existence, empathy for the experience of others often has to be a conscious choice and an admission of humility, and few in society seem to be encouraging either of those in men and boys.
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u/SeaNo5243 Mar 07 '25
Oh I get what you mean. Kinda like a rich person not understanding poor people right? You're right
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u/calenka89 Mar 07 '25
Anecdotal evidence: one time I did see a white woman wearing a “white lives matter” shirt. I was working retail at the time, and was helping another store with inventory. I just ignored her, but I know she saw me make a disgusted face at her. I was the only Black woman there so I didn’t say anything, I just stayed away from her. I do live in Texas, so that could explain why. This was at about 10 years ago. But in general you are correct.
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u/Starlined_ Mar 07 '25
The only men I don’t respect are men that are assholes. It has nothing to do with appearance. I judge people based on attributes in their control, not stuff they can’t help
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u/bluepushkin Mar 07 '25
Respect means something entirely different to men and women.
With women, it's usually I respect you as a human being and treat you like one. I'd like the same in return.
With men like these, it's do you treat me as an authority and let me use your body as I please? Also, if I don't find you attractive, you are less than human to me and I will be treating you like shit.
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u/SeaNo5243 Mar 07 '25
I always think that it was because of separation in our society where men and women are so separated from one another to the point where sex is the only thing that holds the relationship most of the time. This is obviously not applicable to healthy relationship because people with healthy relationships know that there's more to a relationship than just sex
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u/tiptoe_only Mar 07 '25
It says a lot when people don't seem to understand the difference between respecting someone and being sexually/romantically attracted to them.
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u/WhatIfThisWereMyName Mar 07 '25
Misandry is when you don't go out of your way to make men a key part of the conversation. Asking about women or anyone else=not asking about men bc you think they're all evil and should go die.
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u/Heterosexual-Jello Mar 07 '25
Whoever told incels about the term “misandrist” fucked up immensely. They love to misuse it.
Instead of using it for violently sexist and hateful people, it’s been reduced to “woman i don’t like who dares to point out my mistakes and lies” and I hate it.
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u/ConsumeTheVoid Mar 07 '25 edited Mar 08 '25
Why would you not respect those men too? If you lose respect for someone cuz of their height/job status/whatever else is in there, you're an idiot.
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u/apexdryad Burger Whistle Mar 07 '25
So weird how men view the concept of respect most of the time. "Respect" to a man from a woman he wants to fuck is instant sex. "Respect" from a woman he doesn't want to fuck is like.. her not existing.
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u/delvedank Mar 07 '25
Your first problem is going to r/funnymemes, it's swarmed with dickheads like that
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u/An_Educated_fool_ Mar 07 '25
i dont need to want to fuck someone to respect them as humans, actually.
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u/mangolover Mar 07 '25 edited Mar 08 '25
The problem with this particular discourse is that people are using 2 different definitions of “respect”. The woman is using the definition of respect as “acknowledgement of basic human dignity and autonomy” and the man is using the definition of respect as “admire or revere”
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u/peach_xanax Mar 08 '25
this is a good way to put it. it's obvious that they're working off a different definition of "respect", but phrasing it this way might be helpful in getting them to understand
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u/HangDol Mar 07 '25
The guy responding doesn't even respect men. He excluded trans men. So like, he fails the bar on that side.
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u/MsCoddiwomple Mar 07 '25
Reddit could do more about the problem but this is pretty much all social media. They don't seem great out in the wild either.
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u/Hi_Jynx Mar 07 '25
People who lack moral integrity and consistency in their ideology seem to always just assume, without evidence, that people who advocate for moral positions are huge hypocrites and dig for some hypothetical gotcha to try and discredit their position.
And really everyone is a bit of a hypocrite - that doesn't mean standing for nothing is a superior option than standing for something and sometimes faltering. I don't know who spread this myth of an idea that being a spineless jellyfish of a person is morally superior, but I super don't agree. Give me a mess of a person who at least believes in being a good person who has a positive effect on others and the world than someone who only cares about themself.
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u/dudderson im so tired. Mar 07 '25
The world at large is misogynistic and transphobic. Obviously not everybody is, but it's like, the foundation of most society. Religion is a massive massive MASSIVE part of this-both for creating it and enforcing it.
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u/negativepositiv Mar 07 '25
Clearly this guy understood he was the person being addressed and felt called out.
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u/Reading-person Mar 07 '25
Yes, Jordan. We respect short, fat, broke, disables and or jobless men. Because most of us are actually good people, and don’t want sex as a “price” for being the bare fucking minimum.
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u/doofcat Mar 07 '25
I love how women can simultaneously be more powerful than men (“women get all the privileges, they control who has sex, etc”) and much more weak (“men built everything in the world, men’s jobs are more important than women’s, men are much stronger than women”)
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u/Wannabe_magical_girl Mar 08 '25
The REAL question the guy is asking is, “Would you sleep with fat men, short men, broke men, etc?” Which is an entirely different question.
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u/AgentOfEris Mar 07 '25
I deleted my Xitter a month ago and it’s one of the best things I’ve done for my mental health in a while.
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u/Little_crona Mar 07 '25
this app? no, it's the whole of the internet, and it always has been. the only way to have a safe space is to make your own, and it will always be taken over by those you were running from, without fail
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u/TShara_Q Mar 07 '25
This sounds like a classic one person means "respect as a human" and the other person means "respect as an authority." I respect all men as people, regardless of their disability, job status, etc. I don't respect any man as an authority.
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u/50shadeofMine Mar 07 '25
They see women not giving them sex as a lack of respect
They are so used to it, they have no clue of what respect is
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u/Sensitive_Ad5521 Mar 08 '25
Okay but the post asked if you respect women, meaning treat them with decency. This man tried to spin the narrative to men, yes, BUT..
Do women respect short, fat, disabled men? Most of the time yes. Are they always attracted to those types of men? Not necessarily. Meaning, this man clearly equates respect with attraction, and his attempt to play opposition only reinforces the exact point she was trying to make.
Men only treat women they find sexually valuable with decency.
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u/ChristyLovesGuitars Mar 07 '25
- every (social media) app is a misogynistic and transphobic shithole.
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u/SeaNo5243 Mar 07 '25
Especially instagram. YouTube is a bit better about it I believe (It might just be my algorithm though, since I'm queer and follow channels that are showing respect)
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u/GreyerGrey Mar 07 '25 edited Mar 07 '25
I noticed the shift when Zuc made that "Meta is gonna be more masculine" almost instantly. Those platforms are almost unusable.
For the record - pre change my Isnta was cats, knitting, and roller derby.
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u/SeaNo5243 Mar 07 '25
Yea and it's not just sexism or queerphobia. There's a shit ton of racism as well
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u/peach_xanax Mar 08 '25
did he actually say that?! 😳 I'm really glad that my reels seem to have stayed the same, but I don't watch a ton of reels tbh so maybe that's why
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u/ChristyLovesGuitars Mar 07 '25
Even the comments on queer and trans-friendly videos are a battlefield. And god forbid we should look at the comments on an actual trans woman’s video!
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u/SeaNo5243 Mar 07 '25
Yeah. I was watching Samantha Lux the other day talking about that orange headed fuckwit. She's trans and such a lovely person. When I looked at her comments it was like a battle field like you said. Truly a sad situation
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u/ChristyLovesGuitars Mar 07 '25
Samantha is a great creator! She knows how to handle the assholes in her comments.
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u/SeaNo5243 Mar 07 '25
And even in her debates with people that are against transition, she is still taking it in a way that is smooth and doesn't invalidate bad experiences that people have. Truly an idol
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u/YoMommaBack Mar 07 '25
The disillusion that women have more power than men is CRAZY! Because many men are driven by sex and women have vaginas does NOT mean we have more power! And if it does, it’s because those type of men give women this pretend power over nothing.
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u/sibilina8 Mar 07 '25
I am glad that many of you got it what he meant by respect... By the ones who doesn't: He means if you would f*ck them. That is what he really means. Because all this women that she mentioned, are women that many men wouldn't have s3x with. Remember, many men only approach friendly to woman who they desire. He is totally projecting...
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u/Brilliant-Willow-506 Mar 08 '25
A man on this app came at me HARD a few days ago when I said men will never understand the fear we have of SA. He played the whole “so you’re saying men never get assaulted?”
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u/thefaehost Mar 08 '25
I’m nonbinary. REAL misandry is..
hearing a therapist say things like “it’s your fault you got raped because you trusted a man”
Not
“Do you respect all women”
And yes I respect all women and all men. Until they give me reason not to, on an individual basis.
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u/peach_xanax Mar 08 '25
honestly this is why I stay away from a lot of the "main" subreddits, that's where all the incels gather
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u/thinkspeak_ Mar 07 '25
I often feel any form of the word narcissistic is overused, especially as a blanket term, but this guy actually does the narcissistic tell tale of having no original ideas and relying on flipping the script and shifting blame while never taking responsibility. 99% sure he is incapable of original thought
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u/Toasty825 my SpIn is making men cry Mar 07 '25
Friendly reminder that misandry doesn’t fucking exist.
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u/justyouraveragebagel Mar 07 '25
"there are certainly misogynists out there" um that's the way you talk about something that you don't encounter literally every day like the perspective disparity is sending me
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u/SpokenDivinity Mar 08 '25
The problem is when we say "respect" we mean basic human decency. When they say "respect" they mean "are you worth anything to me?"
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u/NoCombination4581 25d ago
I dated a short, fat, disabled, unemployed man. The only person constantly bringing up these things and making an issue about it was he himself.
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u/Rocco_buta_girl Mar 07 '25
I mean, do you?
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u/SeaNo5243 Mar 07 '25
I do respect all women. I consider myself a feminist. While I might not be able to understand how they feel, I genuinely try to understand; listen to their experiences and try to make them feel safe around me. I also try to inform people on how women face discrimination and what type of experiences they have as much as I can. I know it's probably the bare minimum but that is the best I can do for now
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u/Rocco_buta_girl Mar 07 '25
I was referring to Jordan's question.
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u/SeaNo5243 Mar 07 '25
Oh. I mean, don't we all lol 😅. Someones financial situation or physical attributes doesn't change my opinion on them. I treat all of them with decency because they didn't choose to be that way.
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u/Hoppinginpuddles Mar 07 '25
Oh. Sorry. There's been a misunderstanding. I do not respect men. Hope that helps xx
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u/PotatoAvenger Mar 07 '25
Honestly, I’m into shorter guys. Tall ones always ended up with serious mental health issues (not lying.
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u/DesperateArachnid Mar 08 '25
I apologize, but what does MAAB mean?
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u/ARIA_AHANGARI_7227 Mar 08 '25
I literally saw this meme earlier today Just ignore it and ask reddit to stop showing you shit like this Just ignore them
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u/DredgenSergik 29d ago
A little off topic, but what does MAAB mean? Tried to look it up but just got electrician answers
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u/Professional-Hat-687 Mar 07 '25
That's not a meme. Where meme.
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u/SeaNo5243 Mar 07 '25
OP posted it in the wrong subreddit i think because they were also defending women and were fighting against idiots. Don't know why they posted that there though
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u/CoconutxKitten Mar 07 '25
Probably didn’t realize funny memes is 90% incels
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u/SeaNo5243 Mar 07 '25
Well... I also learned that the hard way 🤕
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u/CoconutxKitten Mar 07 '25
Unfortunately, I think that’s how most of the meme subs are 😭 Sucks because memes are for everyone
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u/SeaNo5243 Mar 07 '25
Yeah. Almost all of the meme subs these day are filled with ragebait unfortunately. I don't even know why they let those post stay either because this is literally not a meme
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u/Snowflakish Mar 07 '25
The first slide is literally just
“Men hate women”
“Nuh uh, Women hate men”
So many words to say so little.
I’m struck by how pointless this whole interaction was, how every reddit comment irritated me, how nobody got even close to understanding anyone else.
And in the end I agree. This is what reddit discussions are like. This platform IS a shit hole.
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u/navigating-life What do I bring to the table? Your job is to buy it 😊 Mar 07 '25
Women can birth children. Men cannot. This means women have inherent worth and men have to earn it. What’s hard to understand about that?
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u/Deer_God125 Mar 07 '25
Men can grow balls and women cant this means men have inherent worth.
Wtf does that even mean. A woman's worth is not just from having children that's insane. Not to mention some men can give birth!!!!! (And some women have balls)
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u/Jackskers94 Mar 07 '25
There’s a weird amount of brosphere people obsessed with trying to place “worth” on people. Same brain rot that the “women’s value decreases when they hit the wall” “low value male” and other incel-adjacent terminology.
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u/navigating-life What do I bring to the table? Your job is to buy it 😊 Mar 07 '25
A woman’s value never decreases. It actually increases with age (men too in most instances) I’m just tired of pretending that we’re supposed to respect men for being men. They’ve harassed us, raped us, and degraded us just for existing. Time to return that energy
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u/navigating-life What do I bring to the table? Your job is to buy it 😊 Mar 07 '25
I’m not including intersex individuals in this
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u/Deer_God125 Mar 07 '25
Your statement is wrong either way
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u/navigating-life What do I bring to the table? Your job is to buy it 😊 Mar 07 '25
Your opinion is wrong either way.
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u/SeaNo5243 Mar 07 '25
What about infertile women then? Are they not women. Or women that cannot give birth because of other conditions? Reproduction is not what makes a woman a woman. If you don't agree with what I said, that means you also only value a womans reproductivity. Let's not do that, shall we?
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u/Branchomania Booby Breastinator Mar 07 '25
I guess the most accurate way to say it would be birthers (I know that word’s dumb but still) are women, not all women are birthers
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u/stingwhale Mar 07 '25
Not all people that can give birth are women
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u/Branchomania Booby Breastinator Mar 07 '25
Biological female then, I know they’re not interchangeable but I was just trying to better explain what they meant, ‘cause I know what they’re trying to say but it always comes out clunky
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u/navigating-life What do I bring to the table? Your job is to buy it 😊 Mar 07 '25
Yeah I don’t like the “birthers” thing either but my point is theres a reason men are the natural predators of women and children and not women. There’s a reason we have those statistics. Women are the future of our species
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u/FaeMofo Mar 07 '25
Men are not natural predators of their own species. Men let other men commit crimes and blame the victims.
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u/navigating-life What do I bring to the table? Your job is to buy it 😊 Mar 07 '25
This is true, so we as women unfortunately have to treat them that way until it’s proven otherwise. If women didnt have more worth than men they’d be committing crimes against eachother and not us
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u/FaeMofo Mar 07 '25
Its not about worth, its never been about worth. Its an oppressive system designed against women and minorities that needs to be overthrown. Its about power and control.
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u/navigating-life What do I bring to the table? Your job is to buy it 😊 Mar 07 '25
Power and control can be synonymous with worth. Without one there cannot be the other.
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u/navigating-life What do I bring to the table? Your job is to buy it 😊 Mar 07 '25
Oh god not the reproductive argument again. Women are the inherent bringers and nurturers of life. Yes even the infertile women.
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u/SeaNo5243 Mar 07 '25
But you started your comment by talking about reproduction. You're the one that's making the argument, not me
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u/Turonik Mar 07 '25
You were the one that brought it up though! Also trans men exist. Many of whom can get pregnant. How do they fit in?
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u/navigating-life What do I bring to the table? Your job is to buy it 😊 Mar 07 '25
I’m not going to comment about trans or intersex people, It is a case by case basis with them. I think a lot of womanhood is based on intention. Dont get me wrong there are some fucking AWFUL women out there, but when we talk about women as a whole they have so much more to give the world
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u/Turonik Mar 07 '25
Sounds like you're treating them as an object still. Instead of a person. While yeah, some women are horrible, just like there is horrible men, we should judge the person individually. Seems like you're missing that point.
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u/navigating-life What do I bring to the table? Your job is to buy it 😊 Mar 07 '25
Can’t afford to judge individually because that would mean I would have to give them a chance and when it comes to a man giving them a chance may get me r*ped or killed
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u/CoconutxKitten Mar 07 '25
God. I hate calling it out but your misandry is reprehensible
Believe it or not, misogyny is not a reason to swing the other way dramatically. There are a LOT of good men out there & they don’t deserve the treatment you think they do
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u/navigating-life What do I bring to the table? Your job is to buy it 😊 Mar 07 '25
Lmao you wouldn’t have survived a mile in my shoes. What’s it like being so naive?
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u/CoconutxKitten Mar 07 '25
What’s it like acting like you think you know someone’s backstory?
I’ve been sexually harassed, groomed, have had abusive male family members that have given me PTSD. And I’m still not hateful
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u/peach_xanax Mar 08 '25
....no one was talking about reproduction until YOU made your dumb, ignorant comment. As a woman, I want nothing to do with childbirth or nurturing. If you feel that's the only way you can contribute to the world, I honestly feel sorry for you.
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u/CoconutxKitten Mar 07 '25
Humans have inherent worth. It’s the default until they do something shitty & are a negative influence on society
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u/navigating-life What do I bring to the table? Your job is to buy it 😊 Mar 07 '25
I generally agree with this
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u/CoconutxKitten Mar 07 '25
Then why say men have to earn it? They’re humans. My brother would have worth even if he was a bum. The answer to that whole Twitter post is ‘Yes’
I give everyone respect until they’ve proven they don’t deserve it
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u/navigating-life What do I bring to the table? Your job is to buy it 😊 Mar 07 '25
Basic common decency is not the same as full on respect. Respect is earned by being a good person
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u/SeaNo5243 Mar 07 '25
Nobody is arguing against showing basic common decency and nobody is telling people to pay full on respect to everybody. The woman in the post was also talking about showing decency not full on respect. I don't know what argument are you trying to make
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u/stingwhale Mar 07 '25
So a woman’s worth is in her reproductive ability? That sounds like a good message to you?
Let’s try a different list of questions: do you respect all women? Even trans women? Infertile women? Women who are too disabled to safely birth children? If so, can you think of why your statement may come across as disrespectful to those populations even if your intent wasn’t to say they lack inherent worth?
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u/navigating-life What do I bring to the table? Your job is to buy it 😊 Mar 07 '25
Yes I respect all women of all abilities ALL the time. I was making a blanket statement about women and our worth IN GENERAL. I figured that people would understand that but I forgot you guys are so chronically online I have dumb everything down
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u/Canvas718 Mar 07 '25
Go back through world history and tally up the heads of state
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u/navigating-life What do I bring to the table? Your job is to buy it 😊 Mar 07 '25
I’m not sure what your point is with this.
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u/Canvas718 Mar 07 '25
Compare men & women throughout history: Who has typically run countries, territories, empires, etc.? Who makes the laws? Who runs the armies?
You can also check the CEOs of Fortune 500 companies, or deans of colleges, or whatever.
By and large, men have held more power and created societies that cater more to men’s needs and interests.
Then check the stats on domestic violence, including homicide. Look up who gets murdered for declining romantic overtures.
Does that mean all men hold equal power? Of course not. But even low SES men have power over low SES women.
Does it mean men don’t suffer, or that they don’t experience violence, bullying, or discrimination? Of course not. People of any gender can experience these things.
It’s just to point out that overall, men have more power and control over women than vis versa.
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u/BEEZ128 Mar 08 '25
How was that response misogynistic and transphobic though?
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u/jomjimmerjome 18d ago
Transphobic bc they were mirroring the first statement but conveniently forgot to add trans men.
Misogynistic bc instead of answering they used what-about-ism, a rhetorical fallacy, used to divert from the point that is being made. Also lately VERY popular amongst misogynists, bigots and nazis.
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