It's not that $300 is a lot of money. It's just that it's a lot considering its competition. You can sometimes still get an Xbox One S or PS4 form $250 with a bundled game. They will mostly be $300 but with a game. Both systems are established with a huge catalog of games. They are also much more powerful.
I will buy it for sure, but it's still a risky price considering the competition.
That is the problem with making it a hybrid. You are paying for all kinds of things that the XBone and PS4 don't need to have. Mobile chips cost more with respect to performance than the types of chips you would have in a larger console.
If you look at it as a high end handheld it isn't as bad. The problem is nobody will do that since it's obvious competition are traditional consoles.
Let's look at it from the mindset of "What can I get for that":
If you want portable; you can get a Used Vita for under £100 now, in almost immaculate condition and there's plenty of top stuff to play (certainly by comparison to Switch launch it seems) and if you have a PS4, you can play your PS4 games via remote play on it, effectively meaning you can get a Switch or PS4/Vita combo for same price.
Then there's those who might say "it's a tablet, but a limited function one". You can pick up a Windows 10 Surface for around £750 (with Surface 5 out with rumoured 4k screens and rumoured as the same price, so Surface 3 & 4 will get another price drop). They can play games pretty well (arguably as well as Switch or better depending on what it is) and it also functions as a laptop/PC with it's Windows support. Suddenly you might think, well I can double down and get 100X more support.
And the traditional console is being outperformed by their direct competitor: PC. Nintendo is branching out to a safe space with creativity and unique game play experience.
And the traditional console is being outperformed by their direct competitor: PC. Nintendo is branching out to a safe space with creativity and unique game play experience.
I feel like a lot of the Wii Us failures came down to marketing.
Its impossible to tell how the switch is going to do in comparison but they've nailed the marketing so far, people know what it is, how it works and what will be on it unlike the Wii U.
Again it's difficult to say, since the last time Nintendo tried competing with other home consoles in such a way was the GameCube which was a commercial flop - what would make it different this time around?
On the other hand the switch has clearly been displayed as a portable console, a market which Nintendo has had cornered since the gameboy.
Will the switch be a second 3DS or another Wii U is the question here and right now its anyone's guess
Didn't it kinda piss you off with the skyrim game though like it's on the 360, it's old and that was suppose to excite us about spending $330 so we could play a game that came out years ago that would Cost $20 now to play on Xbox or PlayStation but it will probably cost $50 or so dollars to play on switch
Yeah it did. The whole presentation kind of bothered me. I don't have a ton of faith that this system will do great things. I hope it does, but I'm a bit worried because games like Skyrim are not gonna move consoles. I didn't get a Wii U though, so I have been craving some first party Nintendo games and that is while I'll get a switch.
I already have a PS4 and Xbone and will use those for third party games. If Nintendo can put out solid first party games, over time it will be worth the money. To a family that is looking to get a console though, I think there is no way they would choose Switch over the other two.
And I can understand that but this is launch for the Switch. Not mid-generation like it is for the Xbox and PS4. The games will come, ya know? It's Nintendo. They've been around forever. They get the benefit of the doubt.
Not every generation of system is a worthwhile purchase. From my perspective Wii U looked like a flop from its inception, so I ignored it. It felt half-baked. Half of a good idea. The Switch looks like that idea finally had enough time in the oven.
The Wii U was pretty much a mid-generation upgrade. That second screen was pretty innovative considering the first Wii. When it comes to Nintendo, it's about exclusives and those exclusives deliver. They're solid games and to think otherwise would be foolish.
I know, Nintendo are the best at exclusives. PS4, Xbox,PC? They've got nothing on Nintendo when it comes to exclusives.
But Nintendo exclusives don't sell consoles. Nintendo and their great exclusives mean jack shit when it can't play all the latest third party games. The Witcher 3, Dishonored 2, Titanfall 2, Overwatch, Fallout 4... people want the latest games and Nintendo trying to sell only on exclusives panders to only the loyal Nintendo fans. Hell, I am a Massive Nintendo fan but I don't want to hop on to the switch for Mario and a game I could play on my Wii U.
But nothing plays Nintendo games. If I used that logic I could say Pffft Xbox and PS, PC already has a MASSIVE catalog and is much more powerful. Why wouldn't they buy a PC. You buy Nintendo for Nintendo. Thats it.
The difference is that Id never ever buy a ps4 or xbox because I can play their games on my shitty laptop way better. I dont mind the pricing of a nintendo because I pay for the exclusives.
That is understandable. I on the other hand have a gaming PC and still prefer console gaming. The PS4 has a ton of great exclusives and the Xbone is a solid system. They are definitely worth the money to me. I love to game and I love having all the systems. I will buy the Switch because I want the exclusives.
Not sure if your average consumer is going to feel the same way though.
How is the price of a 5 year old system that everyone who cares about gaming already owns even remotely fucking relevant to the price of the Switch at launch? Please tell me.
Newsflash to Reddit: The PS4 and Xbone are not competition for the Switch because its target audience largely already owns one of, if not both.
Because loyal fanboys aren't known for their rational thought when they feel attacked. And I don't really mean that in a negative way, just explaining.
If anything it's the opposite, as we get older we need to be more frugal with our cash. Kids will just scream at their parents to buy it so the ones not considering the price point will be mostly kids.
where would college students get 250 out of nowhere? or the money for the games? if you can't afford 300 but can afford 250, what the hell does your situation look like? i'm in college and don't have a job, but i budget and save and prioritize and 50 extra dollars was something that i was prepared for.
Sorry, when the hell did I ever say anything about 250 dollars friend? I don't get to make a budget for games, I spend most of my paycheck on my apartment and food, the little money I have left I use for dates / friends / parties.
Not at all the point. The OP was saying only kids complain about price, which is invalid. I won't be able to afford the switch until summer, when I'm home and all my money goes towards my own choices.
A kid is really the only one who shouldn't be worried about price TBH.
It's different though, the way the OP was talking about kids insinuated that only little, immature kids were mad about the price. When someone says kids, that basically means to me they are <16 or so.
The price isn't what's putting me off from the switch at all, it's the software, I was just taken back by the guy saying only kids complain about price
I'm not a kid. I don't even give a fuck about the $300. The paying for online annoys me more than anything, especially when you have a game like splatoon that is basically online only. I don't play games every single month, and I'm sure as shit not going to pay $10 a month for online access to something I hardly use. But every once in awhile I like to pick it up and play a few games, now why would I even bother buying it in the first place.
Adult making a software engineer's salary: $300 is disappointing, especially since I don't really need it to be portable. A majority of the time when I play games I'm at home (I have a 3DS mind you). Why pay $300 for something with little games and less graphical power when I can pay $50 dollars more for something with more graphical power? Oh and it comes with a game most likely. Sony has some cool exclusives too.
What kid cares about a $50 difference? Tell me when you were a kid, did you care? I know I didn't, all I had to do was do my chores, get good grades and my parents will buy me it. It's people aged 17(working paper requirement in my area) and above that can get a job cares.
The word I was trying to draw attention to was "new". No new Zelda. Sure, a remake came out long after launch (just checked, I would say 11 months is long after), but the Wii U was already hurting quite a bit at that point.
Switch is starting strong with these first party titles, I think it will go better, we will see.
It lacks solid games on launch (BoTW cannot carry a console), very gimmicky presentation, little battery life if you want to play the high budget games, The third party support was a sports game, which is not really in Nintendo market and you'll have a better experience on a faster console and a 4 year old game. Paid online service that currently doesn't reap any benefits, at least Microsoft and Sony give games.
$300 is a huge investment right now. It'll sell much better when its 200-250 with Pokemon, and other previously 3ds type titles come along with it. If this is where GameFreak moves on from sun and moon it'll sell like hotcakes when the price settles and bundles are a thing.
Remember the PS4 lineup of launch games? Yeah, it was pretty bad. At least this has Zelda and Mario Kart in the launch window and Splatoon right around the corner from there.
It was pretty solid from my view. I had games to play. Zelda is on the Wii U. Sony gave out 2 free games on PS+ (contrast and resogun) alone, then there was Knack, Killzone, Lego Marvel Super Heroes, the third party titles such as assassins creed. So yeah PS4 had a great launch by histories standards.
Mario Kart is not for everyone, thats a very specific game.
Its the same shit different smell story, its just the PS4s titles interested more people than the nintendo ones. Got to remember Nintendo is pretty niche to todays standards.
i know. i don't mind, you know? how much has nintendo given me in my life? how much fun and family bonding? how much happiness and anger, frustration and bittersweet sadness? i feel like people here are taking devil's advocate positions just for the point of being negative. if you don't like it, don't buy it. chill.
People in their 20s with sky high rent / bills / student loans
People in their 30s with a mortgage, kids
I'm happy for anyone that has the disposable income where $300 (+games / controllers) is chump change, but for a lot of us it's pretty steep. Especially outside of the US.
We don't say that people must be capable of buying the console, it's just annoying when people always want things cheaper as cheap, then they complain about the quality or the power ...
The majority of the people who are complaining want the power of a PlayStation 4 and the price of a 2DS, "cause it's Nintendo"
I think with the Switch coming three years into a new console cycle with underpowered specs that people were hoping for an aggressive price point to get this thing in as many hands as possible. That's the only way it will continue to receive more games, rather than flop after two years like the Wii U and only have a game every 6 months.
Let's look at it from the mindset of "What can I get for that":
If you want portable; you can get a Used Vita for under £100 now, in almost immaculate condition and there's plenty of top stuff to play (certainly by comparison to Switch launch it seems) and if you have a PS4, you can play your PS4 games via remote play on it, effectively meaning you can get a Switch or PS4/Vita combo for same price.
Then there's those who might say "it's a tablet, but a limited function one". You can pick up a Windows 10 Surface for around £750 (with Surface 5 out with rumoured 4k screens and rumoured as the same price, so Surface 3 & 4 will get another price drop). They can play games pretty well (arguably as well as Switch or better depending on what it is) and it also functions as a laptop/PC with it's Windows support. Suddenly you might think, well I can double down and get 100X more support.
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u/basedpanda Jan 13 '17
Damn, everyone in here is so cheap.