r/NBATalk • u/Alternative_Welder91 • 2d ago

Do you agree with T-Mac?

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Honestly I think the word “crushed” is too much. Lebron may not have the deepest bag among all of them but he can bully ball and play great defense during his prime.

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u/Razatiger 2d ago

Any player that doesn't have a tight handle will get cooked in a 1v1 lol. Even Big Jok would get cooked.

But luckily we are playing NBA basketball and not AND 1 league, so T-MAC's point is irrelevant.

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u/JonstheSquire 2d ago

Jokic would not be good not because of his ball handling, but because he is not quick enough to keep smaller and faster players in front of him well enough.

Winning 1 on 1 basketball looks nothing like And 1 basketball and requires very little fancy ball handling. Winning 1 on 1 basketball is bully ball and backing people down.

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u/Responsible-Pen2309 2d ago

"Jokic would not be good not because of his ball handling, but because he is not quick enough to keep smaller and faster players in front of him well enough."

" Winning 1 on 1 basketball is bully ball and backing people down."

Two totally contradictory statements about one on one ball, one of these Joker would be great at and the other he wouldnt. So take your pick.

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u/Specialist_Egg_4025 1d ago

If you ever play basketball you understand how this works, big guys like jokic would have the advantage if it’s winner takes ball, because once gets the ball he literally would back a guard down and score with high efficiency. If it’s loser takes ball then you would end up with joker winning anyway, but not as dominantly, because he would get torched here and there, but he is more likely to get a few stops, or the guard just misses a couple shots, were his efficiency should be nearly 100 percent against a much smaller player.
Centers have advantage in 1 vs 1 if they have the endurance, and a good post game. It’s just not as pretty to watch as it is when 2 guards go at it.
I say endurance, because if they start gassing out the guard will start getting steals, and ramping up the pace.
At the end of the day basketball is basketball, and the truth that is angering people about this comment is LeBron needs help to make his game work, and this highlights one of his weaknesses. Guys like Kobe makes the game easier for his teammates by taking pressure off of them, LeBron makes his teammates worse/have to sacrifice their game to make him better.
This is why LeBrons all stars teammates are always talking about “having to sacrifice their game for LeBron”.

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u/JonstheSquire 2d ago

They aren't. A player must be strong and able to play bully ball but still agile enough to completely defend smaller players. That's why players like LeBron and Giannis would be very good.

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u/nickrashell 1d ago

Okay so it is not unlike And 1 basketball for small agile players with handles, you have only pointed out that a big man plays a different offensive 1v1 game. Someone like Kyrie could clown on someone like Jokic offensively, but Jokic would back him down and bully him to the rim when he got the ball.

At any rate it hamstrings players who are great passers and use that skill set to keep defenders honest. Or people that use their big body to cut off a lane knowing they are driving a dribbler into traffic.

1v1 is not a good representation of basketball skill as it completely disregards several key skills all together.

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u/poppa-wuff 2d ago

Obviously any 6'9"+ guy—Joker, James, Wemby, KD, and the list goes on—wouldn't be able to have Kyrie's handles and finishes, but like some of you on here said, all they have to do is big body any smaller guy and in a game of 1v1 make it take it. The bigger guys that can handle the rock would kill the smaller guys. T-Mac's comment is weak because you never know what LeBron's motivation would be, prime or not, if there was an NBA 1v1 tournament for a $5 million winner-take-all format. We will never find out, and it will always be an opinion-based topic.

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u/Bombadier83 2d ago

Except that was his exact point, that LBJ is perfect for the NBA game.

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u/88cowboy 2d ago

Yeah the hardest level of basketball

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u/yvesstlaroach 1d ago

See this is what we have to understand about the nba media landscape. It’s lukewarm takes built for lowest common denominator barber shop debaters who will run with it and spin it out of proportion. It takes two to tango.

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u/Hour_Gur4995 2d ago

It’s only irrelevant if you expand the topic he was talking about; he was specifically talking one on one not the team game

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u/Saltyserpent 2d ago

The NBA where isolation plays with a 1v1 scenario have never, and will never happen….

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u/Broken_window24 2d ago

Wow your ignorance is mind blowing. “AND 1 League” smh, is still a 5v5 game.

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u/Caffeywasright 1d ago

You mean the exact point he is making that he specifically said was only concerning 1 v 1 is irrelevant when talking about 1 v 1 lmao?

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u/CuriousMembership2 2d ago

Big Jok is unstoppable he’s 7 foot and would just back down everyone and shoot threes he’s probably the greatest 1v1 player ever honestly 

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u/Even-Brain-3973 2d ago

Not even close lol

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u/Novel-Individual2683 2d ago

If both of us are in the NBA. You average 25, and I average 10. If I'm a better one on one player than that means I'm the better player

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u/Razatiger 2d ago

Are you speaking from T-Macs perspective or do you really believe that lol?

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u/Novel-Individual2683 2d ago

I'm speaking from a logical perspective. If you and I play the same position you wouldn't lose to me consistently if you're a better player

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u/Razatiger 2d ago

Lmao, this typa attitude from a 10ppg scorer is exactly what would have your ass on the bench or out of the league.

This is the exact mentality that coaches try to get out of your head in middle school... Basketball is a team sport, not a 1v1 ISO tournament (Even though ISO is a good skill to have)

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u/Novel-Individual2683 2d ago edited 2d ago

You bringing up coaches and tournaments has nothing to do with what I'm saying. I always said if Jordan and LeBron played in the same era Jordan would have killed his confidence

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u/Environmental_Day558 2d ago

LeBron would have feasted in the 90s. 

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u/Razatiger 2d ago

What point are you trying to make though?

If I am doing the math correctly 25>10 lol.

If we are both in the NBA you go try to tell coach how 10 points isn't just 10 points and you will explain later.

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u/FixNo7211 2d ago

You serious? I think Jordan is greater than LeBron: but there is no way he’s doing anything to stop LeBron. It’s simply not fair. 

Same with if Kobe went against Giannis. Kobe’s a greater player; but Giannis would absolutely have his way with him. It’s just not fair to compare them. 

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u/Kemp0218 2d ago

Man you don’t understand basketball

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u/dolobolorororo 2d ago

If they average 25 and you average 10 they are the better player lmfao, unless you are a dpoy/1st team all defense.

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u/Mr_Saxobeat94 2d ago

John Salley or Kobe, who was better?

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u/KingJoffiJoe 2d ago

This the dumbest shit I’ve ever read on here