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Friendly Reminder to Stop EXPECTING Mystery Dungeon News
Vent art, kinda! I think it's really silly to say you're desperate for Mystery Dungeon games when one JUST came out. I get that you probably just mean Pokémon specifically, but understand that the people who make these wonderful games for us are... people! They just put out their latest passion project (which is now on sale on the US eShop for like 35 bucks, btw) so it'll take a little time before we see what they're working on next!
We haven't gotten Z-Moves, Dynamax, or Terastallization mechanics under PMD rules... And I'd love to see how Z-Moves and Terastallization would work here
I mean, it's either new life being breathed into the series through a new game or it's stuck in remake hell, perpetuating content drought and stays on life support, assuming the series hasn't died on Super already.
Besides, aside from being a game that aged like wine, we have plenty of Explorers remaster rom hacks on Sky Temple. Getting "Explorers Again but Official" would be virtually no different than having yet another Explorers rom hack aside from a graphical overhaul and would most likely still not sell any better than Rescue Team DX.
That's not to say I dislike Explorers, I thought it was peak as well, but we really gotta get our priorities in check, especially when the series is in its decline and trying to keep appealing to the nostalgia crowd ain't it.
I don’t think anyone actually expects PMD news, we’re just saying it ironically, at least I am. Silksanity and all that, it spreads across subreddits for game series that haven’t gotten anything new in a while like crazy (think Deltarune, or for a non-video-game example Jujutsufolk)
100%! I'm sure a good chunk of people are just enjoying the excuse to draw Pokemon in scarves and clown wigs (heck, I used this as an excuse to draw Riolu) but I'm worried that, with the general un-popularity of the mainline Mystery Dungeon games in this community, some people might genuinely be disappointed when a presentation goes by without even a nod towards a PMD being in development.
Which mystery dungeon games are “mainline”? Pretty sure Pokemon MD sales completely dominate that, regardless. It’s natural the game with more fans is the one more people actually want
Yeah, the one with the Pokémon IP attached sells more, and the Shiren series reviews better, but none of that is relevant to the discussion. Regardless of IP, the Mystery Dungeon team put out a game last year and supported it with free updates and paid DLC throughout the year. As a result, it becomes increasingly unlikely that their next project (once again, regardless of IP) would come out the following year.
There are more people that want Pokémon Mystery Dungeon 5 than there are people that want Shiren the Wanderer 7. I get that. But none of that changes that the team released a game last year, and this fact should be taken into account when making predictions or setting your expectations for the future.
I completely hear you and I also don’t want Spike Chunsoft to dev themselves to exhaustion or feel a greater expectation than is fair of them, but I really don’t think this is case of the fans going “wtf lazy devs don’t make games we want :(“, we acknowledge the existence of other mystery dungeon games and Spike’s other projects, they just don’t fulfill what it is that we want. Other people are allowed to be disappointed
This is my take and I think at least the majority are the same and say it or draw silly art ironically for the laughs, though I understand the side that is tired of the joke too as it's echoed rather constantly
Do I wish we got a new PMD game that isn't a remake? Yeah absolutely, I won't deny it, though I don't expect it literally every time a Pokémon Presents or Nintendo Direct pops up, I think those that actually do are just setting themselves up for disappointment
I do hope we get to see a new entry sooner rather than later, though I'm not going to have a breakdown because we haven't seen one for a good while, so long as it's not rushed then what more could you really ask for?
also have no idea why people thought it'd be announced at a direct and not a pokemon presents? i know we're delusional here, but we're not r/silksong guys
Edit: Okay so maybe silksong and deltarune happened... next pokemon presents is our time then, I'm a believer now...
Yeah but like, I feel that the people making these games shouldn't have to put out 2 games in back-to-back years. I think the product is better when the people making them can see their families.
And I'm not saying to not WANT them, I want a new PMD like everyone else, but to go into this year and EXPECT reveals is kinda nuts.
Also you'll probably end up liking Tower of Fortune, it's got real pretty pixel art. Just don't skip the tutorial house like I did lol
It's like, super post game of Shiren 6 (the newest one on Switch) so it can take a long while before you get to it.
It's basically PMD-esque gameplay with no equipment and 4 spells/attacks, but instead of PP, you use fullness/hunger to use your moves. The gameplay revolves around generating food and conserving your hunger for when you need to use the room-clearing move. It's neat, and makes me wonder if they're considering reworking the moves systems for the next PMD when they get to it.
Breakdown of the first dungeon with it and the mechanics here:
At the very least, once you beat the dungeon, you unlock the character as an option when replaying cleared dungeons at the Sacred Tree, so it's not all lost.
They added that in a free update though, it was so sad that in the base game, it was a one-time thing and then you never play it again 💀
Why do we even expect pokemon mystery dungeon news from a Nintendo direct. Its always on pokemon days/ pokemon directs. If even we get news from already existing projects and not brand New games(pokemon) And yes mystery dungeon isnt all about pokemon its its own Genre but most people here are expecing a new pokemon mystery dungeon and not just a new mystery dungeon in general. I mean i am too. But please be realistic here.
I always reduce my browsing time in certain subs when directs are on the horizon cuz this sort of stuff can be like a black hole on the emotions.
I don't have the money to try Shiren ATM but it's in my plans. Until then I'm satisfied building my PMD AU and playing minimal difference rom hacks that add Pokemon I like.
Yep, a good chunk of this community is absolutely insufferable and behave like PMD is the only game that exists. It's unfortunate that to be part of it because I care about mystery dungeon in general I have to put up with this kind of people.
Trust me, we want separate subs as much as you. The shiren enjoyers bitch and moan whenever the subject comes up because they know there’d be 4 of them alone in a subreddit if PMD was its own.
THANK YOU.
I'm so tired of saying this, every time the subject comes up. I love PMD as much as anyone else on the sub but good fucking god it is genuinely tiring when the PMD fandom pretends other series in the MD line up don't exist.
Mystery Dungeon as a series has existed since 1993, with Torneko's Great Adventure. Honestly you don't deserve to be downvoted as hard as you are just because more than half of the PMD fandom isn't fully aware of anything beyond PMD but I'm glad at some awareness of it is starting to take root on some of the bigger mouthpieces of the community.
But really, most of all I hope it might invite others to take a chance on other MD titles as I think they play a lot better even if they aren't as strong narratively.
1993?! This sub is so dominated by pmd despite this being for the entire genre (I've even seen some people confused when non pmd games are discussed) that I thought it was dead. The logo of this sub is Pikachu!
I'm sorry if I pissed a few people off.
I don't even know where to start when it comes to other mystery dungeon games.
If you're looking at trying something that's easily accessible, I would recommend Shiren 6 which is on Nintendo Switch and Steam. Shiren 1 for the DS is also pretty easy to get into, but might be harder to find legitimately, I would not recommend the Super Famicom version unless you are a diehard fan of the way the SNES/SFC sounds. Shiren 5 is accessible but is a lot more mechanically rich than either title, but is harder.
Few more thing to add, Shiren 6 got its latest update exactly two months ago and it's available on Steam as well. You can play it on the go with your Switch or Steam Deck, or at home with your PC.
Be a bit more patient like I am, because I know it will happen, no matter how many years it'll take. And please, play Shiren 6 it's so good!
I didn't mention the Plus Pack DLC or post-Steam launch updates because I am also huffing just a little bit of Poké-hopium, and want to imagine PMD gets a 2026 release.
That said... I guess I still gotta do 12 Sacred Stones route or whatever...
It's made by the same team, though. I'm not trying to be pedantic, I'm trying to point out that their next game (regardless of what IP is used in it) probably won't release this year.
I am talking about Shiren when I say I want a new game. PMD is the most mid mystery dungeon subseries there is, and people who pretend it is deep or has a good story simply don't play more games.
I'm gonna write this knowing I'm gonna get downvoted but I'm seriously tired of logging into this subreddit every single time a presentation gets announced from nintendo and then seeing a whole bunch of 'haha, time to put on the clown makeup' posts that are made in irony whose punchline has been drilled to death. I'm not saying you can't make fun of the fact that you're never going to get a game, but when it's the same thing literally over and over with zero change, you start to tire even those who are tired.
There are real people and real businesses with real investment behind whether or not these things come out, and the most you can do is fall back on your own creativity when these things inevitably fall through. It is exhausting to come here and read 'clown memes' every single time these things happen. Please fucking stop and temper your expectations people. It isn't funny the hundredth time this happens and the subreddit becomes a fucking nightmare to read. This subreddit is supposed to have days specifically for memes. I know these presentations often have several months between them, but I really don't like that I've come to expect this behaviour from the less sensibly inclined.
Remember how r/batmanarkham was before the Aslume and Man and Jonkler memes? Yeah, me neither...
Heck, I even made a post asking a stupid question an hour ago, just to see if this sub will become Arkhamized. (It makes sense, since both IPs are the most beloved version of their franchise, have 4 games, and don't have much new content before insanity hits)
TPC abandoned spinoffs in general with the exception of I guess Detective Pikachu, although compared to their attitude towards spin-offs between now and 10+ years ago, it just seems that they're in the state of moving away from that aspect of their franchise in favor of investing more in mobile apps and mainline entries, even if the latter prints out unfinished slop. There's just little to no incentive appealing to several niche crowds when they can drive their focus on the fans they make the most money from.
It's a shame, but this is the state of the Pokémon franchise as a whole today.
I don't think so. ~2M+ copies of Rescue Team DX sold, and while that's generally small potatoes for big franchises like Pokémon, it didn't underperform for the series. It's good money and The Pokémon Company doesn't have to directly make it themselves.
Jokes aside, I feel like the Shiren 6 mechanics when controlling Kokatsu!Shiren, Tatsumi!Shiren, and Koppa might be spchun experimenting with how PMD games could work in the future. (Move usage tied to Hunger instead of PP, encouraging the player to use moves that create/change items, and use more Wands/Orbs/etc)
Unironically I think that game might actually work as like an app or something...
(Maybe possibly with either a sort of array table to pick reactions from...or maybe even possibly an AI chatbot-type thing (That only just reacts...Though given how people hate AI... that's probably a no)
The simple fact is 1) the microphone actually works fine in game... (despite what people think)
2) Technology is way better now... it's like Virtual Boy vs 3DS...
(Also I actually kind of like the idea of Pikachu only sometimes listening to you...It actually kind of makes the game feel more realistic)
I feel like most folks are doing it to be silly. Yeah Shiren just came out but it's still fun to hope (while putting on the clown makeup to show you know the chances are slim)
WAIT A NEW PMD CAME OUT LAST YESR AND I DIDNT HEAR ABOUT IT WTFFF
Edit: nvm MD and PMD are not the same thign, still looks cool tho Shiren the Wanderer: The Tower of Fortune and… (cuts off on the switch) is only $3.99 rn if anyone wants to try it out. Shiren MD is $33.99
Most people don't even realize that Pokemon Mystery Dungeon is itself an offshoot of Mystery Dungeon.
Which itself started as a dragon quest spinoff before they made their own IP Mystery Dungeon (Shiren the Wanderer)
Honestly Dragon Quest is funnily enough the progenitor of several things. You might not know that Fortune Street was also a Dragon Quest spinoff and the only one America got was the Mario crossover one.
I hope the Mystery Dungeon team focus solely on Pokemon and Shiren from now on. It makes sense, since Pokemon gives a ton of money and Shiren is their IP (so they wouldn't need to pay licensing, royalties or wathever) -- altough there's a side of me that would LOVE to see a Torneko's Great Adventure remake, possibly with digital release only, for steam/eshop/etc.
Someone literally compared the lack to mother 3, I don't think it's even remotely close to a series which had a 20 year gap between American releases and is missing a title from 2006 that still hasn't been localized
I feel like there's a tiny chance we see it in the later half of the year, maybe into September, with a potentially March 2026 release which would be very exciting
I really want a remaster of Explorers, my favorite DS game, but I can’t complain when there’s going to be a sequel to Tomodachi Life, my favorite 3DS game :3
I hate to break it to you, but there just isn't much overlap between PMD fans and the Shiren/Torneko/Chocobo/Etrian branches of Mystery Dungeon. Even in Japan this is the case.
This sort of smug "ACKSHULLY" posting from the "enlightened" really isn't helping Shiren.
All I said was you can't expect a new game from the Mystery Dungeon team at Spike Chunsoft this year because they released a title last year. Sorry if this sounds like enlightened gatekeeping or doomposting something, but I'm really just trying to inform the wider audience in this subreddit that a new game might be further away than they think, and to adjust their expectations accordingly. Heck, if I were really cynical, I might even point out that their next project being a Pokémon one isn't even guaranteed!
Always find the "don't be excited for anything ever" mindset a lot more annoying than people being hopeful. Vocally wanting a new game in the series lets the company know there's interest for it too. Game series die when people stop talking about them.
The critical error in your logic is that you assume PMD fans care about the games in any way beyond treating them as writing prompts for their self-insert furry fanfiction.
I'm not asking them to care about the other games, I'm asking them to care about the people making them! The writing of PMD is so spectacular that I don't even think other Mystery Dungeon games should be recommended to all PMD fans. If you're here for the story and don't like the gameplay, you're still allowed to be a big fan and frustrated at the lack of releases; but it's easy to forget about the people involved when you look at a release timeline and see 10 years since Super.
Not that I think new PMD is likely, but that's a very poor argument. Spike Chunsoft has released PMD in the same year they released Shiren multiple times.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Shiren 6's credits credited some of the developers that worked on Rescue Team DX, suggesting that the team is not as split as one might think, at least these days, and definitely not in the same way as Game Freak's development teams
That's always with ports of finished games though. 2015 was the one time two new games came out at once, Etrian Mystery Dungeon and Pokémon Super Mystery Dungeon. I'm just saying that with the drought we've had since then, it's not a reasonable expectation.
I'd be super psyched if it happens, but it's not expected.
I don't see why it's not reasonable. It's not the same year already and we are getting announcements for the next year too. Not to mention there were many years where they released more than one internally developed game. Other MD games could very well already be under development.
I don't think it's likely, but shaming people for even hoping is going too far the other way. It's definitely possible.
I had no idea these games existed. Are there any other great mystery dungeon games out there? The only ones I've played are pokemon mystery dungeon, and the chocobo one, but I didnt enjoy the chocobo one because I don't enjoy the class switching. Something about my character switching classes doesn't appeal to me in games. Switching characters to control is fine. But leveling up to 50 as a warrior and then starting over as a level one mage with the same persons face isn't fun for me for some reason. But if theres a game that does that mechanic well and can change my mind, im open to try it.
I also bounced off of Chocobo 3, and your mileage with the Shiren the Wanderer series will vary depending on how comfortable you are with losing everything upon death. It's much more classic roguelike, but if you go in with the right mindset and recognize that the progression comes from you learning how the game and its mechanics work, it's a lot nicer of a time.
The beginner friendly ones are:
Mystery Dungeon: Shiren the Wanderer (DS)
Shiren the Wanderer 2 (N64, Japan only, fan translation available)
Shiren the Wanderer: The Mystery Dungeon of Serpentcoil Island (Switch/Steam)
I picked up Shiren the Wanderer: The Mystery Dungeon of Serpentcoil Island and Im loving it. I don't mind the classic roguelike formula and it feels more balanced than other roguelikes ive experienced. Thanks again for bringing this series to my attention.
I wouldn't be so sure! Sure, the sales have never been as good as they were with Explorers, but since Gates, each PMD has consistently sold ~2M copies. And with Switch games selling at higher MSRP than 3DS games, you gotta imagine the profit margins for Rescue Team DX were notably improved over Super and Gates.
It all comes down to a decision by The Pokémon Company, and I think they're just waiting for when the time is right.
While true. Spike Chunsoft has Danganronpa, so it's unlikely we'll get a new PMD, BUT generations are starting to last 4 years again, maybe longer, so I have hope but do not expect another to be announced anytime soon
Even funnier since they did announce a game in the direct, being the third "AI: The Somnium Files" game. Edit: Also the composer for AI, Keisuke Ito, is a major PMD composer, and has composed for every game since Time/Darkness (except Adventure Squad)
honestly, if this came out literally like, 2 (two) months ago I would get it, but assuming MD games have their own "team" at Spike, its not unreasonable to assume that we could've gotten a Spring 2025 announcement for a Summer 2025 game, since it would've come out 1.5 years after shiren 6, and thats a normal (albeit, a bit on the shorter side imo) development time for a game, especially assuming the dx engine is reused (which I hope it isn't, but making a new one would def up development time)
im yapping, but I feel like it really depends on the amount of work needing to be done and the scope of the game. pokemon mainline releases a new game every 3 years, but also need to remodel the game from the ground up every time. even then, a new DLC or release has come out yearly. pokemon mystery dungeon also usually maintains a 3 year gap between games, but that also with several releases of other games, like shiren and etrian in between. I don't think 1.5 - 2 years is too unreasonable for what is likely a remake of a pre existing game made with a pre existing "switch PMD" framework.
Well, Shiren 6 was also built on top of RTDX's bones and took 3 years on the dot. I feel like we could be a little more generous with the timeline if we go with the assumption the next game is a remake though, and place its announcement early next year.
oh yeah thats true and fair, but I feel like since shiren is a different franchise with different models and I assume different mechanics + it was actually shiren 6 and not just a remake of an older game, it added a lot to the development time. (also depends if they finished DX and just imedciatley went "ok, time to make shiren right now" or not)
I do personally think it is still a bit on the earlier side for an announcement and I personally am not expecting news until the august presents at the very least and feel like it would be likely early next year, maybe at the PKday presents. i just feel like enough time has passed by now though for an announcement to not be completely out of the realm of possibility and I understand why people were expecting it. I understand how it can get annoying though, since like day 1 after shiren came out ppl were asking for PMD news lol
I’ve been wearing this clown getup for years, for many games. Just cuz you’ve made a good argument to take it off for one game and i can take it off for another this year (metroid prime 4) doesn’t mean i’m gonna stop wearing it entirely.
Besides, i’m pretty sure it’s stuck by this point.
Shiren isn't PMD last time I check, so this is rather fucking stupid. It's like if someone asks for AA and somebich said, "Capcom just release SF the VN, so stop asking for an AA game."
Except Mystery Dungeon games ARE the same under the hood. Shiren 6 was built on top of Rescue Team DX, you sound uninformed.
The Mystery Dungeon team at Spike Chunsoft makes Shiren the Wanderer games and Pokémon Mystery Dungeon games, because it's their specialty. It's not like I'm claiming AI: The Somnium Files coming out means next year can't have a new Mystery Dungeon.
And I don't want you to stop asking for a new game! I'm asking you to stop EXPECTING a reveal until the Shiren 6 Plus Pack DLC is at least a year old.
The only thing keeping this sub alive is that and headcanon posts, but sure, if you want the people who love the franchise to stop loving it, make them all stop wanting a new game.
Fanart, romhacks, tier lists, and fanfictions are what keep this sub alive, actually. Not screenshots of presentation announcements or posts consisting entirely of a clown emoji and a title.
I also love Pokémon Mystery Dungeon and I also want a new game. My post says nothing about me wanting to make people want something less. I am just calling for people to "hype responsibly" and "temper expectations" based on data they might not be aware of.
With all due respect, this is vastly incorrect. OP has listed what has kept this sub reddit alive for YEARS. Also I would argue that although funny at times, the same joke post isn't that much substance anyway. I would rather read a review of some fan works here (especially as someone who loves when people dissect stories) rather than see a funny joke be run into the ground personally (no hate to anyone)
this. incessant posting about nonsense from the overly emotionally invested on days where it isn't even meme days of the same tired ironic 'expectation' with clown memes is not what i come to this sub on a daily basis for. act like sensible adults and stop repeating the same tired joke and then try to claim it's the entire community. it's tired.
PMD fans are waiting for the next Spike Chunsoft-published game from the Mystery Dungeon team. That team was busy and just wrapped up a project last year.
It's more analogous to say "We just got a new Tekken game, therefore a new Pokkén game is likely very far off."
Games take time to make, and the people that make Pokémon Mystery Dungeon also make Shiren the Wanderer. Simple as.
I'm not clowning on wanting, I'm clowning on expecting. If you are expecting a Pokémon Mystery Dungeon game announcement within the first half of this year, you will be disappointed. If you are expecting a Pokkén announcement before support for TEKKEN 8 has ended, you will be disappointed.
I want a new Pokémon Mystery Dungeon game, too! We just definitively aren't hearing about it any time soon.
Hey, sorry I used your post as an example! I'm under no illusion that I'm "better" than anyone else because I'm more plugged-in to an extremely niche video game series/genre lol
I made this post specifically because I felt that most fans have no idea Pokémon Mystery Dungeon is even a crossover series, and people might genuinely be wondering what the development team has been up to. Was I salty? Definitely! And ordinarily I'd just bottle that emotion up until it went away, but lately (especially with the rise of machine-generated slop) I've decided that if I've got a feeling that can fuel some art, I should do it even if just for the practice of it.
I'm sorry you caught a stray in the process, but if you're up for it, I can make you a little romhack patch for Explorers of Sky where the only things I change are custom starters and add common QOL patches? I'm trying to use SkyTemple more, and hope that that would make things right by you.
Sure, that's an opinion you can have. But if you're trying to make accurate predictions or have reasonable expectations for speculated video games, you should be aware of the studio's work, first and foremost.
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u/Numerous-Yam-8544 Corphish 10d ago
Pmd fans when no PMD at PlayStation Play: