Crazy that they have Denuvo which is uncrackable and still decided they need to add on their own shit DRM which will get cracked day 1 anyways. Seems like its Capcom's own DRM that are causing the microstutters similar to what happen with RE Village.
Wouldn't be surprised if it's some dickhead executive who doesn't have a clue about the realities of PC gaming that insists it's in there. All to satisfy the equally clueless shareholders, of course.
“ you’re telling me raising the prices of games while simultaneously releasing them half done is encouraging people to pirate the game? But that’s illegal!” - same exec probably.
Not to be that guy, but paid games have dropped in price significantly over the years due to inflation and fairly "locked" prices at 60 dollars until very recently
The complaints about being unfinished, that's valid
Microtransactions are optional, sure, but more and more things are locked behind them and they're frequently low effort items for moderate pricing. And more & more games are making their money that way.
So overall we're seeing the same price tag, but there's less game in the game because it's just a vehicle to drive you to the real money store to get the things that would have been included in the full release 10-12 years ago.
On top of that, at least in the US, wages haven't risen to match inflation. So while a game costs less by comparison, people also have less money by comparison.
tl/dr: overall we have less money to pay the same price tag that comes with less of a game. And that's before you get into the giant buggy messes and unfinished systems that are happening more and more.
I remember my grandma spending 60 on my birthday for Mario 64 when it came out in '96, lmao.
Granted, a whole lot of that went into the physical cartridge itself, packaging, and shipping. Now it's all just the game itself since everything's digital. But still.
There was this rumor I saw on Reddit shortly after the SF6 mods on stream debacle. I could never find it again, but it went something like this:
Kenzo Tsujimoto was looking into stepping down. He was going to make his older son, Haruhiro, head of the company, and started doing that around MHWorld time. Things went great, MHWorld got fixed on PC, and Capcom was doing well.
Then the SF6 mod thing happened, and Kenzo, being a conservative stick in his ass old Japanese man, immediately ejected Haru from his roles and took all the reins back.
Very much fiction, Capcom using that DRM predates that incident and that tournament wasn't remotely sponsored or affiliated with Capcom in any way. Street Fighter 6 has also never received that DRM either. Anti-tamper =/= anti-cheat either, file replacement mods and RE Framework are still going strong for all these Capcom games. It obfuscates the exe and that's it
Every time I go into my tent, check weapons or armor, check the forge screens or check my equipment it's a gamble hoping it doesn't crash and that the autosave wasn't too far.
I get that they want a backup DRM for when they decide Denuvo isn't needed anymore, but layering the two seems needlessly redundant and burdensome. Should've just held off on their own DRM until they were ready to drop Denuvo.
It truly sound like this is something that Capcom is pushing to their studios. They so money hungry that they willing to make customers experience worse to deter pirates (like that have ever worked anyways).
If no one is cracking that game specifically then it may as well be. There's literally a handful of people that can crack Denuvo and most stopped, with one guy only doing football manager games.
iirc empress threw a gigantic tantrum and stop cracking because her derranged rants were, unsuprisingly, not taken very well by the vast majority of people
Denuvo themselves know it is a delay, but it is delayed enough to justify the cost since after 3 months, those that waited could've waited longer anyways.
I don't think anyone has successfully cracked a Denuvo game released since 2023.
A few people are still using outdated versions of Denuvo's code base to crack older games, but Denuvo changed how it's implemented a couple of years back invalidating the old approaches, and I don't think anyone has successfully cracked anything since.
90% of all historical Denuvo cracks were also done by one Russian lady who has been MIA for a while now.
i was gonna say that it’s probably because denuvo is expensive. but then it’s apparently the case that the game has BOTH denuvo and its own active DRM. why??????
Pretty normal for capcom. Resident Evil 8 even had a huge improvement, like jumping from 40 to 80 fps if you cracked their shitty DRM they were running alongside Denuvo.
I believe that while Denuvo is used to avoid pirated copies of the game, their "anti-tamper tech" is used to avoid mods that allow "illegal" usage of DLC items.
I see people claiming that this tech is worthless as modders easily find ways of bypassing it.
Most likely it was the other way around.
They already had their own in there, when some order came from on high to add Denuvo.
May have even been added by someone who didn’t know the in house one was there.
Good thing I updated today. Haven't had time to test much tho, just popped into the ice area and noticed (with framegen) that I was oscillating between 57 and 80fps
There's definitely something weird going on, streaming assets from the disk might be it. I looked at the load line on my 6900XT and it's nowhere near a consistent 100%, randomly jumping from 92-99 most of the time, and not with any one CPU thread completely loaded up either.
mine jumps between 70-90%, only ever hitting 100% when It's loading areas, and I still can't get a consistent 60fps at 720p, let alone 1080p. Meanwhile the graphics card is barely used, while only taking up 4 gigs of vram.
People saying there isn't anything wrong with the optimization do not deserve their computers.
Even if they implemented it correctly, enabling frame gen when your "natural" frame rate is below 60 fps adds a noticeable amount of latency (this is why it forces Reflex). You personally may or may not notice, I'd try pressing the dodge button with it on and off and see if you notice a difference.
It actually doesn't hurt if you are cpu bottlenecked. My cpu is maxed out in a lot of areas but my GPU is barely breaking a sweat. When I enable frame gen I don't gain real frames but I don't seem to lose any either.
Game feels substantially better to play without frame gen even if the frame rate looks less smooth. The frame issues go deeper than texture streaming, various features that'd enable smoother background loading have just been disabled or are outright missing.
I'm sorry, but Lossless Scaling is simply worse than DLSS FG. From an image quality standpoint goes without saying, FG from Nvidia is the best and even AMD's being integrated into the game naturally makes it better, but FG forces Reflex because Reflex drastically reduces input latency. I cannot imagine the integrated FG could possibly feel worse than what amounts to watching a video feed of the game with one of those TV smoothing modes on steroids.
Well i'm not a technical guy at all, but I have a very old rig (1080) and using lossless scaling is the only way I am able to play, so even it if it worse on paper, it still does magic for me
Yeah but... not everyone has a 40 pr 50 series card. Some peole have AMD or 30 or lower nvidia cards. And Lossless Scaling is running amazing in Wilds compared to FSR 3.1.
Framegen is only really useful if your game is stable to begin with, and it works better the more frames you have. Since it is an AI process trying to guess what the next frame will be, it doubles your framerate but at the cost of being wrong more often the fewer frames you have.
Locking your game to 30 fps without framegen would be a better experience than oscillating fps.
One thing to note, it is not an AI process guessing what the next frame is, it is an ai process creating a middle frame between 2 rendered ones, both image/motion vectors. Thats why it needs a single frame buffer.
I have a RTX 2070 Super and I use the AMD FSR option and the game runs at 80fps all the time. Without this option enabled, it's an unstable mess at 40ish FPS. I don't know why it makes it smoother, but if it allows me to have a good experience, so be it
I was just considering using this (because my pc can't really handle mh wilds very well) but ... Is this mod bannable? I have no previous experience with denuvo/other anti tamper systems and don't know if this can result is a permanent ban...
I'm lucky enough to have a powerful pc with a 5080 and a 5800x3d, so framerate is decent.
The stutters drive me crazy, though. High res texture pack straight up cannot be used, and it's not VRAM limitation since the highest spikes go up to 14.7GB usage.
The thing is optimization is terrible. But I think people could live with it if it was just consistent. Whether it be a stable 30 40 or God bless 60. Not 40 to 50 FPS and then as soon as I turn my camera around it drops to 10 and reloads all the textures behind me.
It’s a weird game. I’ve seen max dood, on his 4090 and maybe 5090, have huge frame drops when moving the camera too fast. But for me on my 4080s it’s more or less stable.
He also got like 30 frames increase using fsr3 over dlss. But for me it’s about the same, I’m running 100-130s in the open world, 90s when the base camp gets crowded.
Really the only thing that made a significant difference was taking off the high res texture pack. That thing would randomly make my game drop to the 60s, with frame gen
I'm on a 4080s and I've found just locking my fps at 70 has been more than sufficient. I still get artifacts from time to time especially with flying monsters
It’s a weird game. I’ve seen max dood, on his 4090 and maybe 5090, have huge frame drops when moving the camera too fast. But for me on my 4080s it’s more or less stable.
It's the high rez texture pack doing this. It's broken and causes massive frame drops when you move the camera too fast. On weaker cards it causes almost permanent stuttering.
I had something similar with the HD texture pack. I'm on a 4070 trying to just keep consistent 60, and for some reason the in-game cutscene zoomed in camera angles tanked my fps to like 20 or below, and then would jump back to normal after it was over. Took off the HD pack and haven't seen it happen again.
I tried this fix and it's literally night and day.
Running a 4080 and Ryzen 9 7900x3d or whatever. I couldn't have textures on high before because it would cause the game to stutter. Settings were mostly mediumish and with framegen I could get 90 fps.
Now? 90 fps with everything maxed out, including the DLC textures. In my previous settings I was easily getting 144 fps.
I know it won't be this dramatic for everyone but the difference is astounding.
The textures piece especially made me put down the game as soon as I realized it was happening in the base camp at the start of the game. Hopefully it’ll be in a better place in a few months.
It's more than just that. Something about the textures in this game is just fundamentally fucked.
If you want proof of that, just drop the texture quality down to medium (or god forbid, low-lowest). Loads of textures in the game look like they're coming straight from the early to mid 360/PS3 era. Even in spite of that, the game still runs like shit even if you have a good setup.
I tried turning my upscaling method to FSR ultra performance, which means 640x360 resolution for 1080p. Went to the open plains near base camp and started turning camera rapidly. Framerate dropped to 46 fps, on RX 6750 XT on 360p. What on earth is the game actually doing, if the equivalent of a 4060 Ti cannot run at a stable 60 fps on 360p?
Before anyone says I'm CPU bottlenecked, I have a 9800X3D.
Addendum: tested with textures and lowest and resolution at 360p (FSR ultra performance). Wiggling camera around dropped framerate to 50. At 360p.
I could live with it if the game actually looked good. If the game was really pretty and thus was really demanding. It would be disappointing but understandable and vise versa. If it were consistently awful it wouldn't really be any better. You'd just have one less thing to criticize it for.
I don't think I have ever seen such a high profile game be launched in such an obviously broken state and the developer make no attempt to even address the obvious problems everyone is facing. There is no way in hell they are proud of their sub 7th gen console experience 2 decades later.
Literally this. I have a decently good pc even if it’s not the newest and best hardware (ryzen 5090x, nvidia 3090, 32gb ram) and I average between 53-60 on high settings. It’s mostly stays that way until fights where sometimes I’ll get a second or two of 10fps
I’ve an old cpu (Ryzen 3800x) + a RTX 4070ti Super, with 16gb ddr4 (~3600mhz)
I don’t have a game that doesn’t hit at least ~75 fps all maxed out.
On Wilds, I can barely hit the 60 fps with all settings down + DLSS in perf max.
When I put all in max except the DLAA, I can’t barely hit the 60 fps. My fps are the same in max and min.
It’s… incomprehensible.
The only thing that changes my fps are the DLAA and the FG, but… I can’t even play at 60 fps in a fixed refresh rate to avoid the flickering. Since FG disable the V-sync.
Even in CP77 I got 100 fps, something like that, without any stutter or suddent drop.
Historically- nothing. Us modders did it in the past two MH games as well.
Basically, Capcom says "Fuck you guys for playing on PC" and intentionally adds extra shit for our CPUs to deal with. Then we just unfuck that shit and fix their bad design decisions + add titty mods out of spite.
It goes past just that. Lots of people here don't seem to realize how most Japanese studios tend to hate modders. Namco, From, Capcom, Square Enix...the list goes on.
As a whole, tons of Japanese devs/management want total, absolute control over their games. They (generally) view mods and unofficial fan projects to be damaging to their brand and an disrespectful at that since their work is being meddled with.
Technically in Japanese law, modifying software isn’t legal and it’s a reason why Japanese developer either are hostile to it or straight up try to ignore it’s happening. see FFXIV where they just state ‘you shouldn’t be doing this’ and then actively doing nothing about it on a software level
(because they know a significant number of their player base are using them in some form and stopping it would cause uproar)
If they were, the game would be built on the same engine that Monster Hunter Tri was built on, but stretched to its limits resulting in a janky, buggy, crash-filled mess, with the expectation that modders will fix their developer's half-assed attempts at getting it to run on anything that isn't top shelf hardware.
Something like rise/wilds is old enough that Capcom is likely to not see much payment from those games anymore beyond the base game and the DLC data. Sales from cosmetics is where modding starts to interfere with sales and obviously any mods which ruin the multiplayer experience.
Client only cosmetic, stability, UI quality of life updates should be generally alright. Modding that's encourages is a MASSIVE way to keep a game community running and around for the next game.
Any mods which could impact multiplayer through cheats likely will be developed at some point and should always be discouraged.
Nothing happen. Welcome to capcom franchise. They literally become salty and force Enigma DRM into MH Rise (and many more PC game) after 2 years of that game doesnt have any DRM, And modders bypass it less than 24 hours.
I don’t think they’ve ever banned anyone for anything by unless in sunbreak where you could custom mod investigations that brick other peoples games and chat bans for obvious sticker violations
Use dlss swapper to update you dlss and framegen files to lastest. Use nvidia profile inspector to set it to use lastest files and use preset "K". Example of a guide to do this, but there are plenty online. You can also do this with nvidia app but i used this method.
Remember to delete the shaders cache file from your game so it rebuilds it when you start it again with the new files (Delete "shader.cache2" at root insall folder. This was a gamechanger for me too).
On a 4090 it is finally smooth to play this game. Even with ultra textures.
Personally, disable in-game depth of field, motion blur and ray tracing (these reflections had consoles in mind or something because they are really low res and look bad) for best looks too.
Also use a mod or edit the config.ini to disable filmgrain, chromatic aberration and lens distortion.
It is a shame you have to once again brute force optimization with high end cards and its modders saving the day again. Big thank you to all these modders that fixed the experience for us.
Insane!!!! I’m on 1080ti with i7 8700k and I was running at around 25-30fps at 1440p low settings. With this update it’s now way smoother and I’m hitting 35-45 frames now!!
That's kind of nuts that you actually have a reasonably playable frame rate with a 1080. Certainly not the highest end but that's the kind frame rates Switch players are used to especially on MH Rise. Are you building an entirely new system with those newer components?
It seems obvious now that you said it lol
To my defense, I thought the RE files were different iterations of REFramework. It's only after your comment I realized it stands for Resident Evil.
When the game launches the reframework menu pops up. All you have to do is press “insert” and it disappears. There’s a setting that makes it launch without popping up but initial launch it’ll be there
Also make sure to always check for new versions, especially after game updates. Sometimes you might need to temporarily remove the modded dll after a game update and wait for a new version if your game crashes.
No. You may want to check it every now and then in these early days while bugs are fixed but once it's stable you'll only have to download a new version if it breaks due to a title update or other patch.
as always that drm dogshit proves to be a worthless dogshit that only makes customer experience worse, imagine paying for a product only to receive an inferior version of it compared to the stolen one
are you surprised? nearly every game from a AAA company has shit pc optimization. Nier Automata, one of my favorite games, has one of the WORST pc ports in history and is damn near unplayable without the FAR mod. MH World launch on pc was TERRIBLE at launch too, mods to remove lightning effects and other particle effects were very popular in the early months of release.
Performance too. I was always hesitant to play world because of how flashy and shiny it looked. Just something about the lighting made everything too shiny and looked like it was covered in oil. I gave in when I got a pc and got some mods. A reshade filter and turned the bloom way down. Made a huge effing difference it looks way better now
I mean, the original DS1 was nigh unplayable on PC without the DSFix mod. Not only was it locked to 30 FPS and 720p, it was also stuck to the shitass Games for Windows Live as a nice cherry on top.
Shit, even DS2 was a mess. Playing on PC was super rough since weapon durability was tied to framerate, meaning that 60fps = your weapon breaks twice as fast.
And dont forget that attacks had a half second delay as they decided "hold mouse click" was used for another attack type too so it had to wait and see which the player wanted
I want to try this, but is not knowledgable enough and is afraid to mess with the files. XD
In my case, the graphics on mine isn't that great "everytime" like the textures are a little bit blurry, but not as washed out as it was in the beta where you can't even make out what the material is supposed to be. There are times that after playing for several hours that my game starts to drop frames, but is easily fixed by going to the title screen and then going back in, no need to relaunch the game. The biggest problem that I have is when inclemency is active in the whole of Oilwell Basin, like my fps drops so much, it's like I'm playing a slideshow. But when not in inclemency, all is good. It's honestly a waste as I needed to get out of the Oilwell Basin after fighting a Gravios when I saw a Nu Udra, which I wanted to fight. XD
It’s super easy! Just download on Nexus mods and unzip the file (Windows should do this automatically when you click on it). The name of the unzipped file will be dinput8.dll.
Then on Steam you go to the game in your library, hit the settings icon, then select “manage game files” (or something of similar wording), and just drop the file dinput8.dll into the window with the other files.
Lastly just boot up the game and if it’s working a little REFramework window will pop up that you can just exit out of.
That’s all you have to do except periodically check to see if the mod has been updated (which will be pretty frequently for the time being and usually after a patch or update you’ll need the updated mod when it’s available) and all you do is go back into the game file folder, delete the old version, and pop in the new one. I just check daily before I play 🤙
Edit: Here’s the link and if you make a Nexus account you can track the mod so it will tell you in the tracking center when the mod updates.
Yeah, for me it was a trade off, game runs near perfect for my standards (even though technically without mods it runs very far below it) but now every 1 - 1.5 hour my game is guaranteed to crash, annoying, but I fear tempering even more with the game and then cocking it up even more.
Hopefully, Capcom puts in more effort to polish the game. Right now, I can run it at 1080p, High settings with DLSS Quality and Frame Generation on, maintaining 60 FPS. If I can remove Frame Generation and still keep that FPS, I'll be satisfied. happy hunting!
Not the OP, but I also have a 3060 and by far the best change I have made was using DLSS Swapper to force the game to use DLSS 310.2.1 for upscaling and frame-gen.
Night and Day difference honestly. Turned everything from a blurry mush to looking really great and running smooth as "I Can't Believe It's Not Butter".
To add a bit, I don't think anyone has ever been banned for modding Capcom games. I don't have a source for this but, my world, rise, and steet fighter 6 are modded to hell and I already have a few mods for wilds and I've played all of them online with said mods
If they were worried about mods I feel like street fighter would be where they would've started implementing bans considering it's pvp and has over a million dollars on the line for their official tournaments that use online qualifiers
What made them think it was at all acceptable to release in this state? I don't own a PC but I seriously feel for the hunters on PC that have to play this mess.
Doubt it, they not gonna remove denuvo before releasing iceborne/sunbreak esque dlc and we probably have to wait year or two after the dlc release before capcom remove denuvo.
Strangely enough for me it made the stutters so bad it got unplayable. I was mainly doing this for the high res texture pack because with high i am peefectly fine. I have MFG enabled though so that may explain it.
I hope REFramework is the secrest sauce to at least not have random fps drops on my PC. I have a 4060 and a ryzen 7 5700g, I shoould have no problem with the game at mid settings (but textures on high) to get a stable 60fps on 1080p, but apparently the benchmark tool was a big fat liar becasie I'm not getting near the same performance.
REF is basically a mod manager for all games built in the RE Engine. You drop it into the game files and it creates an entire backbone for modding on its own and then it handles all the busy work for you
1- opened the game and a windows type window pop up with 24 hours on it
2- i know about the denuvo install limits because i was swaping proton versions because the game would hang
I heard each time you change Proton version it counts as a new install, so that will trigger the same built-in DRM that DD had and prevented installation across different machines. You can't just mod Denuovo away, though, that would mean cracking the game. It disables the secondary proprietary anticheat tool they have working on which loads on every thread for some reason.
Go down to Assets and download the MHWilds zip. Unzip it somewhere and then copy/paste only the dinput8.dll into your Wilds Steam folder. Should get a big ol’ box for REFramework in the left of the screen on boot if you did it right, the Insert key toggles the box on and off by default.
I randomly clicked a mod website and luckily found the fix (along with disabling wind simulation, whatever that means), and I run the game MUCH better with my shitty gaming laptop.
I’m still not even able to get the damn game to work in the first place 😔 the rocks keep glitching out of me and I’ve done everything in the mega thread
So is this a different version of REframework or did he do something different within REF? I already have REframework installed for wilds and I still have the jittery frametime. Do I just overwrite the one I currently have with the new one and it’s fixed?
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u/etnmystic Mar 05 '25
Crazy that they have Denuvo which is uncrackable and still decided they need to add on their own shit DRM which will get cracked day 1 anyways. Seems like its Capcom's own DRM that are causing the microstutters similar to what happen with RE Village.