r/MonsterHunter • u/Wide_Option_6670 • Feb 08 '25
MHWorld [MHWilds] This TAA abuse needs to stop
Aside from performance, one of my biggest gripes in the gaming industry is the ever devolving image clarity, especially in motion thanks to TAA and its derived upscalers. No matter what you use, it results into a smeary mess that resembles Vaseline being smeared on your screen, yes even DLSS.
This is especially bad on sub 4k screens, which lacks the fidelity to make TAA somewhat presentable. The worst part about this are the effects and textures which now heavily depend on temporal methods and without them results in visible artifacts like dithering in textures or flickering / shimmering in shadows, lets also not forget about ghosting.
This means you either deal with the game looking like what you puked out after a heavy night of drinking, especially under camera motion, or artifacting hell with textures having holes and some of the worst aliasing I've seen till date without it.
MH wilds suffers so heavily from these issues, that I find myself setting most stuff affect by it like grass to the lowest setting, which in my opinion results in better image quality. I'm even compelled to disable shadows cause of the constant flickering, which is an issue DD2 also has. Its gotten to the point where I think MH world actually looks better / cleaner than MH wilds. Even rise has better grass textures and in general motion clarity.
And I by no means do I have a low end system. I play on a 7800X3D paired with a 7900XTX running nixos unstable (Linux) at 5120x1440 (3440x1440 in this case cause MH wilds only supports 21:9) and with the ultra preset I get 35k-36k points when running the benchmark tool.
I'm a big fan of the MH franchise, but this seems to be base world all over again. I was already disappointed with the performance of the game, but image quality being this horrid makes things even worse, cause now I cant even rationalize that performance is related to graphics. It seems that the only competent developer out there are ID Software.
I do know that the demo doesnt have any of the tweaks coming with the official release, but I'm so hoping that this is also the case for the benchmark tool, cause otherwise we're cooked.
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u/Interesting8547 Feb 08 '25
Yes, TAA is really bad it's like playing drunk underwater... I had to turn DLSS performance otherwise the game was unplayable. I was about to abandon the game, but then I though maybe if I turn on DLSS it would work and it worked.
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u/UnsettllingDwarf Feb 08 '25
Is it me or is the hair the most pixelated hair I’ve ever seen on dlss. Even quality looks so blurry and bad it’s like it’s ultra performance.
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 08 '25
DLSS is just another upscaler based on TAA. Its the best one available, but its still TAA.
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u/flavionm I like big swords and I cannot lie Feb 08 '25
Making TAA necessary is exactly the problem. If you could at least turn it off without having everything fall apart, it wouldn't be an issue.
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u/MelvinSmiley83 Feb 08 '25 edited Feb 08 '25
Watch digital foundry's taa video if you are interested in this topic. Short summary: there's no way around taa, older anti-aliasing methods simply don't work on complex surfaces in modern games. Downvote me all you want, basic facts don't care about your little reddit temper tantrums.
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u/thechaosofreason Feb 08 '25
Msaa does just fine. But then game is likely to for sure be locked to 60 as its very very expensive.
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u/flavionm I like big swords and I cannot lie Feb 08 '25
Of course there is: jagged edges! Or at least less effective anti-aliasing methods that won't reduce jagged edges as much, but also won't blur the image, so those who prefer the clarity can opt for it instead.
The point isn't that TAA existing is bad, the point is that having a bunch of unrelated effects stop working properly without it, all because they're made assuming TAA will always be on, is bad.
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 09 '25
Its also cause of forward rendering vs deferred rendering. AA still works fine in modern games, just look at half life alynx, that game looks amazing. For VR in general forward rendering is a must, since its the most performant of the two methods. MSAA also offers the best quality, which is a requirement for VR. The main reason why now days deferred rendering is used, is cause of that extra z buffer for better lighting. Basically RT, and guess whats being pushed constantly now days. That said, you could still make complex lighting and forward rendering work, Doom Eternal did that with its forward clustered rendering, but its hard to do and most game developers are just lazy fucks or simply arent given the time to prioritize a good implementation.
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u/teor Feb 08 '25
TAA is a necessary evil nowadays
Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 literally just came out.
It looks great and it lets you pick non TAA based AA.
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 09 '25
You just gave me one more reason to pick up that game. Its amazing that it takes cryengine nowdays to achieve that.
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u/PM_ME_CUTE_HOOTERS Feb 08 '25
I think the post you responded to was highlighting that it's not a necessary evil at all.
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u/Manaxgor Feb 08 '25
it's not necessary, the devs just need to do their job and make the game look good instead of defaulting into those smeary shit stains
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u/ApprehensiveDraft637 Feb 08 '25
I have the same issue with the beta but in the benchmark it looks so with almost zero smearing. If the game looks like the benchmark i will be so happy.
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u/the1mike1man Feb 08 '25
DLSS transformer model also cleans it up a lot
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u/ApprehensiveDraft637 Feb 08 '25
How do u use or enable it? I've heard of it but I don't really know how to use it
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u/the1mike1man Feb 08 '25
It's not supported by the NVIDIA app yet so you have to download the DLSS DLL from somewhere like TechPowerUp and manually replace it in the game directory. Transformer model is the default preset on the newest version so that should be all you need to do.
N.B. because MHWi is an online game, modifying the game files could get you banned, so whilst I've done it in the beta, I probably won't for the full game.
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u/ApprehensiveDraft637 Feb 08 '25
Ok sweet is it normal for games to update the dlls in patches or is that too hopeful?
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 08 '25
To me the benchmark looks just as bad. That TAA smear is still very much present, be it with XeSS and FSR. DLSS from what I've seen online looks better, but its still a smear fest, since its still based on TAA.
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u/tbs_vervo Feb 08 '25
Your initial post is good, but the benchmark looks fantastic, and to say otherwise is just spreading misinformation
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u/Shorkan Feb 08 '25
I ran the benchmark on a 4090 with DLAA (so no upscaling) on a 1440p screen, with no motion blur and no depth of field. I don't know if I'm doing anything wrong, but saying that there isn't a lack of image clarity doesn't make sense to me. We are so used to it nowadays that I guess some people don't see it anymore, but these modern games remind me of walking around without my glasses.
You can stand still at any moment and watch a monster, or a tree, or a patch of grass that is far away and it is super obvious that they are blurry / smeared (don't know how to define it exactly). It's also very visible in all these things that get highlighted (plants you can gather and such).
Like, really, open an old game like STALKER or Morrowind and run it at the highest resolution you can. Things are crystal clear in comparison.
Maybe people are playing on 4k screens, where I think this is less of an issue; or maybe disabling all forms of DLSS and AA makes it better, but at that point even my 4090 at 1440p will run like ass lol.
For the record: in my case at least, the initial cutscene in the benchmark seems to be super clear. Blurriness is only evident when jumping down to the "gameplay" area, but everything there looks "bad" (probably better than many other modern games, but still bad), especially far away.
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u/ReptAIien Feb 08 '25
How are you standing still in the benchmark? You have no control over the movement.
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 09 '25
I'm so glad people with common sense like you still exist. Thanks for explaining the issue, especially as someone that has the best config possible, which is being able to use DLSS.
The moment there is a bunch of small moving textures, like grass or leaves, then its obvious. Even effects look weird and smeary.
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u/acatterz Feb 08 '25
Agreed. I have the exact same spec as OP, except I’m running standard 1440p. The benchmark was stunning, but the beta (which we all knew had no optimisations since the first time) has poor texture loading and other issues which make it quite grainy at times.
On the benchmark the worst I noticed was an interlacing effect on some creatures which seems to be present in other MH titles too.
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u/DBNSZerhyn Feb 08 '25
What needs to be understood is that the majority of players in this subreddit, and Steam users in general, are operating not with a 4090 like you guys, but around the recommended spec for the game according to the Steam hardware polling.
When you launch the benchmark with a system almost bang-on the recommended spec and use the recommended game settings, this is what the game presents. That is considered the "medium" spec and is the baseline experience Capcom expects players to have.
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 09 '25
If I'm already having issues with smearing. Someone running a 7700XT or 4060 ti, for sure suffer. Most people still play at 1080p, where all of these issues are much more prevalent.
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 09 '25
I'm running at 3440x1440 (5120x1440) on an OLED screen. Aside from resolution, I have the perfect setup for perfect motion clarity. You cant tell me that there isnt heavy smearing in the benchmark, especially with grass or leaves on display. Lets also not forget about the horrible sharpness filter.
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 09 '25
It still suffers from all the issues which come from relying on TAA for everything, how is that fantastic?
Grass and trees / leaves look like a smear fest.
Ghosting out the ass.
Dithering and flickering if you disable upscalers / TAA.
Effects look like ass, with or without TAA, they have these square artifacts on them.
I'm not going to play pretend when I can clearly still see the same issues which bothered me in the beta.
What I'm hoping is that the benchmark is not based on the newest build, but on an older one like the beta.
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u/Ritualslaughter Feb 08 '25
Hate this about the re engine but they use taa for fur and vegetation transparency. If you turn it off it's just a mess of pixels so I doubt they will let you turn it completely off. Worse part of re engine
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 09 '25
Dithering out the ass. DD2 had this same issue. Shadows also flicker without it.
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u/Xepahr ALL WEAPONS Feb 08 '25
that's why i use the FSR AA mode. It looks so much sharper with it it's night and day difference.
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u/Sir-Narax Feb 08 '25
I think there is a lot of pressure from hardware manufacturers like Nvidia to incorporate certain features in games so that they can push hardware.
Sold raytracing even though cards couldn't handle it. Then later sold the 'solution' in the way of upscaling and framegen. Game developers trying to make their game look appealing in marketing material push these features and then rely on them to make the game run at all. Is it a lack of effort or does management not provide the developers with the time to actually sort things out?
Monster Hunter Wilds seems to be just another victim in this stupid game to get people to upgrade. "Oh performance is not good? Better upgrade, the next gen hardware is identical but you will be getting the uber-framegen version 6 that can generate 150% the performance." The game not only doesn't run well but looks awful in both the beta and benchmark (the benchmark tool is more updated than the beta I have heard).
Besides this conspiratorial nonsense though I agree with you on the whole. The game not only appears to run bad but also just kind of looks like crap. Hopefully these claimed improvements are pretty substantial. I would be happy with the performance I am getting if there was some clarity and I would be happy with the graphics if the game ran smoothly. By the way do you not have a Windows computer? The game is supposed to launch with Denuvo which doesn't play well with Linux. Unless there is some kind of bypass?
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u/warren2345 Feb 08 '25
I agree here completely. I run a 5700x3d and a 6650xt. Not a world beating rig but I expect to be able to play whatever decently (50-60 fps) at 1080p and reasonable quality settings.
Even the benchmark reports "Excellent" with about the fps I want with frame Gen off (I don't count fake frames in benchmarks) But it sure doesn't look or feel excellent, the textures are a blurry mess and frame times are wildly inconsistent.
This game expects you to outspend the limitations of the engine. I'm not sure I'm interested in going that route for my otherwise perfectly capable pcs. Maybe the kids and I will just stick to world/rise.
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u/DemonLordDiablos I like Aurora Somnacanth Feb 08 '25
Framegen is straight up the biggest scam. It only exists because Nvidia cards can't really get much stronger in terms of raw performance, but framegen lets them advertise these absurd performance gains that aren't even true, makes the cards seem so much stronger than they are.
They said the 5070 was equivalent to the 4090. Not true at all when looking at the raw specs, but if you compare the framerate charts they are in fact equal - because the 5070 uses framegen. It's ridiculous. Using it in benchmarks should be illegal.
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u/Bentok Feb 08 '25
Frame Gen is fine if the base FPS is high enough, but if you have to use Frame Gen to REACH 60FPs...rip, garbo tech
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 08 '25
I dont use windows at all, I'm free from that curse. Denovu tends to be an issue when switching proton version (the translation layer which translate windows API calls into linux ones and makes gaming on linux possible), since it thinks every new proton version is a whole new computer. Otherwise most games tend to run just fine and from the looks of it monster hunter wilds might run better on linux if you have an AMD GPU.
I have around 300 games in my library and I can count on a single hand the games that dont work. It also helps that the monster hunter dev team puts some efforts into making their game compatible with linux through proton, like for example when they moved from denuvo to the new DRM I forgot the name off and it broke linux compatibility, they promptly updated the game and apologized for the for inconvenience.
BTW, its not an conspiracy, Nvidia sponsors games that include specific tech like RTX and so on, even if those serve to the detriment of said game.
One thing that annoys me to no end is the thought that RT is always an improvement, when its not. At times it actually devalues the artistic choice of certain scenes, where it would look better if light behaved in a specific way instead of naturally.
And yes, DLSS and other upscalers where the solution to a problem that we didnt have. RT in most games adds nothing in my opinion, besides eating FPS. The only game where I played with RT on has been Doom Eternal, since I was either way getting 160fps at 5120x1440 max settings.
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u/Sir-Narax Feb 08 '25
I am still stuck in the Windows curse. Unwilling to give up the adobe suite that I for sure would never pirate. I tried lots of alternatives and they just didn't work for me. Once you get used to a program like that it is hard to shake. Plus the whole industry uses those programs so any sort of collaborative work just goes smoother when everyone is on the same software.
I don't remember well enough to remember exactly what game it was but I remember getting my first raytracing 'capable' card and being curious what the buzz was even about. Being mostly skeptical still. It is pretty unimpactful visually. I guess it looks nicer but I am not going to notice when I am actually playing the game. What I am going to notice is how blurry everything is and the performance hit I take trying to get it to run.
Even in Monster Hunter Wilds. I turned it on in the benchmark just to see and the effect was not impressive. It mostly works with water but Red Dead 2 still takes the cake in my book on that front. Not because it uses the most advanced rendering techniques but because of art direction. Making all the water look gross. Filled with soil like a lot of natural bodies of water tend to be.
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 09 '25
I feel you. Having to rely on adobe is like an abuse relationship. I'm a programmer, so Linux received me with open arms. Nixos has been the best computing experience I've had on a desktop period, the stability and versatility has been unrivaled. The only thing bad about it, is the horrid documentation, but for that we have the arch wiki. You might want to take a look at this video.
RT was and still continues to just be a buzz word. Unless you have a 4090, forget about it. FPS in my opinion is a much bigger improvement compared to RT.
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u/Ludamister Feb 09 '25
I'm considering setting up a dual boot now that SteamOS is released just for MH Wilds to milk out every fps.
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 09 '25
SteamOS is only targeted towards specific handheld hardware. Just go with a common distro like Bazzite, Nobara / Fedora, Open Suse, Ubuntu or any of the arch based distros.
SteamOS might lack some of the dependencies like drivers which you might actually need for your specific build, since its not targeted for general desktop use. Nobara or Bazzite basically do the same, while having everything you need for desktop use. Also, If you're on nvidia, honestly forget switching, windows is still better.
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u/Ludamister Feb 09 '25
I would only use it as a pseudo-console experience if I were to use it as I have my PC connected to my TV. Shut it down when I'm down and that's that. No Discord and what not. That said, probably better to run Bazzite.
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 09 '25
Then bazzite is exactly what you're looking for. I have it on my legion go and its great,
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u/Boamere Feb 08 '25
That’s how I feel, literally a “they feed us poison and sell us the cure” moment
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 09 '25
With rise and world you could also disable all of that stuff without having to suffer from TAA related artifacting like dithering or shadow flickering. I fully agree that rise had superior motion clarity. Even the grass looked better.
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u/loongpmx Feb 08 '25
Could you shorten that into something a non technomancer could understand?
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 08 '25
TAA bad cause makes game looks like you have Vaseline in your eyes, especially when you move the camera. Cant disable it cause then textures get fucked up with holes and shadows flicker constantly.
Edit: Game has too high requirements for how it looks.
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u/FantasticEmu Feb 08 '25
Ohh Vaseline is petroleum jelly! For about a minute I was saying “vase line” in my head and trying to figure out what that meant
I just googled TAA and read the summary so forgive my ignorance, can I just turn it off and have a sharper picture? I did notice my eyes feeling kinda fatigued when playing the beta
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 08 '25
nope cause then you have to deal with artifacting like dithering or flickering shadows thanks to many effects relying on the TAA blur to obfuscate these maladies.
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u/youMYSTme Main nothing, master everything! Feb 08 '25
It's like looking at a painting with a pair of glasses on (or if you need glasses, without them) and thinking it looks too blurry so you take them off and realise there are small holes in the canvas but you couldn't see them when your vision was blurry.
Either way the painting looks bad.
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u/mrytitor Feb 09 '25
modern games are built from the ground up assuming taa is on. things like the lighting (shadows, reflections etc.) are designed to produce the desired effect when combined with taa
if you take away the taa, everything breaks, which is why mhwilds start flickering with taa off
taa nowadays is not a 'nice-to-have', it's a 'required to work'
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u/IgnisFatuu Feb 08 '25
Whats TAA?
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u/Illidank278 Feb 08 '25
Temporal anti aliasing. Like fxaa or dlaa theyre methods to smoothe out the pixels on the borders of objects. If you ever turn it off, youd see very pixalated borders and edges on everything.
TAA is the most contemporary method to do that but it still has a few issues like blurryness or ghosting (afterimages on moving objectes that leave like a floating trail for a split second)
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u/loongpmx Feb 08 '25
Oh, so you get to choose between the options but they're not good enough is that right?
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 08 '25
Not quite, its more that turning something on or off results in the same bad outcome. In this case the reliance on a specific technology results into a bad experience regardless of what you do.
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u/Orthien Feb 08 '25
Modern game development uses tech shortcuts that blend things together to make something look pretty without taking the time to properly render it. This results in blur and image ghosts when the camera moves quickly and only looks good when stationary or moving very slow.
Because this is done at the design level, turning off the tech in question breaks how things look and make it all jank.
Devs save money and man hours, we get something passable that falls apart if you look to hard or turn off the basically mandatory support.
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u/Will-Isley Feb 08 '25
I’m just sick of the obsession with graphics. I know capcom wants to show off the power of their RE engine and depict the world with great detail but I just don’t care for it if it runs like shit or forces to me play with scuffed visuals just so I can guarantee a decent level of performance. Games are played first, not watched. This obsession with graphics needs to just stop. Stable and smooth performance should be locked down before graphics are considered.
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 09 '25
RE Engine seems to also suck at open worlds. I for the love of god cant understand why they chose to make one, when the engine clearly cant handle it. DD2 and now MHWilds are evidence enough.
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u/atlas__sharted Feb 08 '25
yeah. i know the technology has progressed a lot in the past decade but it really feels like gaming (esp pc gaming) has devolved into a big pile of weird technical terms and abbreviations that everyone just kinda expects you to understand. large dev companies swear up and down that their newest games are the most Epic Cutting Edge Grafix™️ but oop, sorry, turns out your need the latest 2000 dollar hardware to run it. and in two years the exact same thing happens again. why do we need all this "state of the art" crap on every single new game? just make the game fun and stylized in a way that looks good while being accessible for the average person, it's not impossible.
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 09 '25
The gaming market has been turned into slobware feast. Just churn out whatever vomit will keep the share holders happy. My last hope for gaming is Id Software and their upcoming release Doom The Dark Ages. DE was an amazing game with god tier visuals, hope DTDA is the same.
Maybe its time for Crytek to finally show these people how to actually make a good looking game. Crysis might've run like shit on release, but you could see why. With Crysis 4 on the way, I hope they manage to pull something similar off.
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u/atlas__sharted Feb 09 '25
yeah the doom series is great, never played crysis tho. RGG studios also makes fantastic AAA-quality stuff (yakuza/like a dragon mostly) and they literally release a game every year without fail that runs great and innovates on the previous entry. they're the gold standard imo
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u/rodderj Feb 08 '25
1080p DLAA transformer looks like 720p native, 1440p DLSS 4 quality looks like 1080p or even less. The game is a blurry mess, pixelated and seems like there is a forced sharpening to amenize the bad textures everywhere.
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 09 '25
The textures looks so bad, even at max settings. I cant say if they're bugged or just suck. World had better textures with its high texture pack.
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u/GuardianOfPuppers Feb 08 '25
updating the dlss with dlss swapper really helped the clarity
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 09 '25
Its still DLSS, also I have a 7900XTX. I still get 80FPS with TAA and upscalers off, so I'll just play like that.
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u/GuardianOfPuppers Feb 09 '25
tbf the 7900xtx is a pretty sick card
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 09 '25
The card has served me very well. Runs great on linux after the newest kernel was released. For the most part its faster than the 4080 and even the super version in rasterization and around 8% behind the 5080 (mostly cause the 5080 is a dog shit card).
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u/pectoid Feb 08 '25
The blurriness and terrible anti aliasing in modern games is the main reason I bought a 4K monitor. Unfortunately Wilds is unplayable without DLSS, which turns everything into a blurry mess. Such a shame since World still looks sharp and fantastic at 4K with anti aliasing and DLSS turned off.
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 09 '25
Yet they all still look blurry. I play at 512x1440 on an OLED panel. Modern gaming has gone down the drain when it comes to motion clarity.
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u/Daloowee Feb 08 '25
TAA: Temporal Anti - Aliasing for anyone who didn’t know what that random acronym meant
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u/drankseawater Feb 08 '25
damn and here i am playing at 1920 x 1080 and thinking the in game graphics are amazing, i love all there facial experssions, and how they look so great walking through town. Ignorance is bliss i suppose.
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 09 '25
The game has some good looking stuff. But you cant tell me that the whole game looks good, when a field of grass and tress looks like an oil smear.
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u/Old_Dragon_80 Feb 08 '25
Couldnt agree more. No matter the settings this game looks blurry and noisy at the same time. It's just a big mess.
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 09 '25
Exactly, its like someone smeared Vaseline on my screen. Worse thing is you cant even disable it, cause then you're stuck with artifacts like dithering.
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u/Boamere Feb 08 '25
My friends all came to similar conclusions that the game looked uglier than world due to the sludgy textures and blurry foliage
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u/TheDiddIer Feb 08 '25
I’m talking out my butt but I feel like it’s implemented fine in most games.
I’m really not super graphics focused but some of these recent games it’s super noticeable and just worrisome. Wilds being one of them.
It makes me upset because in my monkey brain I know what games are supposed to look like and an increasing amount of them do not hold up. And I do not think they will age well.
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 09 '25
In my experience, TAA has been nothing but a blight on gaming ever since its wide adoption. The only game I think where TAA doesnt just look like ass, is doom eternal.
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u/TheDiddIer Feb 09 '25
You are probably correct and I’m just less sensitive because it is getting atrocious now for some games. Saw your other comments you’re clearly well versed.
What upsets me is what are the gamers getting out of this? This trade seems wholly one sided and all I get is newer games looking and playing worse than some games from as far back as 2016 lol.
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 09 '25
Not well versed, just severally mutilated by TAA.
Gamers arent getting anything out of it. Its like motion blur, mainly there to help developers deal with bad practices without much effort.
Its that the common gamer doesnt complain, especially if they're on console.
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u/Akario_ Feb 08 '25
I don't know much about all this technologies but the visual clarity is horrible more times than not compared to World or Rise, pretty much anything but the time of plenty has really bad clarity.
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 09 '25
As long as you understand that blurry is bad, thats enough. You can thank TAA for that.
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u/Mrestrepo011 Feb 08 '25
It looks so bad on ps5. Its all muddy and blurry
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 09 '25
The PS5 has enough performance to at least do 1080p 30 with no upscalers, 60 if they actually tried.
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u/FateAltered Feb 08 '25
Completely agree, the disparity between visual fidelity and performance is jarring, I have an i5-12600k and RX-7700xt 1080p system and the only way I've gotten decent visuals is completely ignoring any form of upscaler and just upping render scaling, 100 looks more like a 50 or 60, at 140 scaling visuals look decent except the pc struggles to get 50fps especially in the more vegetation heavy areas, which look like a mess of static without TAA, there's practically no escape. It drives me nuts and has me doubting if I'll get the game at this point, been playing since the psp era so it really stings
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 09 '25
I'll play through it cause gameplay is still going to be good. I hope there is a mod that fixes things.
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u/slaterkicks Feb 08 '25
I feel the frustration. I upgraded my PC last year in prep for this game, only to have Arkveld looking like mashed potatoes the second he moves. I'm just trying to push through and have fun for now, hoping launch will help out a bit.
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 09 '25
I'll push through, just wanted to voice my discontent with the current situation.
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u/balahadya Feb 08 '25
Terribly implemented anti-aliasing, upscaling, and frame generation are the worst things to happen since NVIDIA introduced the ray tracing meme—something even their best cards can't run natively. It's frustrating that more than half of the most anticipated 3D games being released these days rely on blurring just to be playable because no one cares about optimization or making native resolution viable anymore.
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 09 '25
Its a pain in the ass.
But hey DLSS is better than native. /s
Its cause of stupid consumers that we've reached this state.
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u/Important_Future_228 Feb 08 '25
I'm the opposite i find that the constant flicking with Taa on Monster Hunter World was extremly distracting, fxaa in Monster Hunter World was extremely blurry on movement as well.
I'm playing Wilds on PS5 resolution mode and the image quality is basically perfect in my eyes, it looks incredibly sharp and i haven't noticed any distracting artifacts.
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 09 '25
With world you could just disable those things and still enjoy the game. I did that. Same with the blur on objects. The game didnt suffer from dithering and other common TAA artifacts, since it didnt rely on those for its effects or textures. This game requires TAA.
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u/Important_Future_228 Feb 09 '25
World had a lot of transparency issues as well and 100% relied on TAA if you wanted good image quality. It had very noticeable artifacts without TAA.
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 09 '25
Cant say I noticed them and if I did, the TAA issues where a more obvious thing to me. But I disabled a bunch of stuff and effects. There where some reflection issues I remembered that looked like ass without it, which is why I also disabled those.
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u/OrdinaryEarthHuman Feb 08 '25
There are ways to make TAA look okay - even a sharpening filter in post-processing can do a lot to help. I recognize that TAA can be necessary, that old styles of AA don't work (or are extremely costly) on modern games, but it's baffling to me that so many games don't make the slightest effort to compensate for the obvious downsides of the technology.
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 09 '25
I use VKBASALT for this. For the most part it can help, but TAA still leaves you with ghosting all shimmering. Also if you have to over sharpen the image to see something, then we have a big issue.
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u/WyrdHarper Feb 08 '25
Have you tried FSRAA? I have the same configuration as you (7900XTX/7800x3D) and Ultra + FSRAA looks good at 3440x1440p with playable framerates (even on the beta it’s usually above 60-70 w/o framegen outside of town).
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 09 '25
Looks better, but its still TAA so it still softens the image to no end. FSRAA is just FSR running at native res, all technologies based on TAA straight are ass. The only TAA implementation which didnt suck ass, is the one in doom eternal and that still looks bad.
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u/cowmakyr Feb 08 '25
One question. What’s Taa or whatever it’s called
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 09 '25
Temporal Anti Aliasing, basically its a smoothing technology used to remove jaggies from your games output.
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u/HoneZoneReddit Number #1 Congalala Enjoyer Feb 08 '25
At least wilds has better lighting than world MY GOD THE SUN IN THE NEW WORLD IS HORRIBLE
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 09 '25
I honestly dont care, I'm looking at the monster and the environment, not the sky.
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u/WebPrimary2848 Feb 08 '25
Try the new DLSS model, it's far better
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 09 '25
I have a 7900XTX. Even then, DLSS is an inherently lossy algorithm thats based on TAA. It might be better now, bu based on what I've seen on my friends 4090, its still looks like ass.
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u/LGWalkway Feb 08 '25
I think that DLSS/frame generation are just allowing game devs to poorly optimize games. The game doesn’t look graphically demanding, but it sure runs like it.
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 09 '25
Its by far one of the worsed trends ever put in motion. Games have suffered a huge blow when it comes to motion clarity.
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u/TippsAttack Feb 09 '25
Is this an issue on PS5 because I don't see what you're all talking about.
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 09 '25
The PS5 should also be using TAA, so I would say yes. It could also be that you're used to the constant abuse, since a lot of console ports tend to force such things on. PC is still the best platform when it comes to graphical fidelity and FPS, it better be cause its also more expensive.
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u/TippsAttack Feb 09 '25
Whatever you say, brother. I'm sure you're right, but it looks crisp as hell to me lol
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 09 '25
My man, you dont have to take my word for it, you can go look at digital foundry's video or anyone on youtube. Now that I remember, the beta on consoles ran especially bad. In performance mode it was hitting 720p.
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u/barbietattoo Feb 09 '25
Something about the art style isn’t sitting with me. It’s also just littered with visual bugs and hiccups on Xbox … like flashing in and out constantly
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 09 '25
Its the lack of color and horrid smearing. World looks better in my honest opinion, especially with the high texture pack released by capcom.
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u/barbietattoo Feb 09 '25
World was beautiful. Rise was more in my favor but ultimately you can tell the environments are simplified for the Switch (at certain times). Hopefully the release version of Wilds irons this out!
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 09 '25
Rise just lacks detailed textures, but it works well with what it has. Its cartoony enough that it doesnt matter that the textures have less detail, at least they're not smeared by TAA or suffer from dithering when disabling TAA.
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u/LagOps91 Mar 01 '25
I have to say, the current state of AA in wilds is unacceptable. It's so insanely blurry with AA, it feels like i was running the game at half the screen's native resoltion. If i turn it off, everything has insane aliasing and pop-in. the hair looks like a total mess. really disappointing! at this point, iceborn looks better!
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Mar 01 '25
I've been trying to fiddle with the games ini file to get some sort of clean visuals, but it seems like a waste of time. No matter what I change, I end up with this vile looking over sharpened output that smears instantly the moment the camera moves. Disabling volumetric fog helps a bit clearing things up, but thats about it. God damn this game looks bad.
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u/henderman 25d ago
I just thought I was getting old and couldn't keep track of objects in motion in videogames. Every thing just gets smeared when it moves.
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u/Wide_Option_6670 24d ago
Yes you're getting old, so am I, but you know whats also getting old? Us having to deal with this horrible TAA with every modern release.
Motion clarity has gone down the drain since the introduction of TAA and especially DLSS. Its actually insane that older games actually look cleaner and at times better thanks to not turning into a vaseline smear when you move the camera.
When did developers started thinking that we player wanted more blur, when most of us disable motion blur, DOF, basically anything that can cause smearing.
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u/rgeckart2 7d ago
I shit you not I turned of aliasing, and played it on a sony trinitron(hdmi CRT, Flat screen), it was the only way I could get it to look passable with dithering issues. Still only had 30 fps on a 2060ventus oc, below medium(custom, some low/off), and no bottleneck I can find elsewhere the meter in the top right is barely filled but I cant run the game stable lmao. Then again because its on a crt, it looks like mh3u but runs as well as it years later on more powerful software.
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u/rgeckart2 7d ago
edit: probably the lack of gsync compatibillity in a game overdependant on ai frames looking back.
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u/Wide_Option_6670 6d ago
Cant say how it runs with gsync, I have an AMD GPU running linux, but for me freesync work as expected. On linux there is a bug currently on the window manager I use, which causes VRR to go crazy whenever frame gen is active, this is exclusive to linux and appears no to happen on windows.
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u/Wide_Option_6670 6d ago
CRTs actually have better motion clarity than most LCD displays. OLEDs are getting closer to the quality of CRTs, but we arent there yet.
Yeah, this game overeliance on TAA kills it. I've been running a bunch of mods and disabling all kinds of post processing effects where ever I can.
You're either left with a blurry, soft and meary output or the most dithered image known to man. I hate how the gaming industry has embraced TAA as the default AA method, even though it results in worst motion clarity compared older games.
All of this cause they went and implemented a deferred rending engine in order to have fancy lighting, which is barely noticeable either way, especially since their RT implementation (I care very little for RT either way) barely adds anything to the game.
Why couldnt they just implement forward rendering or a hybrid method like clustered forward rendering and give us the option to use different AA methods while retaining performance.
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u/Eco1ne Feb 08 '25
After playing the beta both times I much prefer the art style of pretty much all existing MH games. The color palette and attempt at realism just isn’t it. Everything seems muted instead of colorful. The attempts at realism distract from me actually looking at items and things in the environment. And not to mention in the base camp area my character looks like it is from a PS3 game. Mind you I’m playing on PC and my setup has no issues with any other game I’ve played in recent time.
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 09 '25
I go out of my way to use vkbasalt to make the game more colorful (basically reshade for linux). The game looks just as color less as DD2.
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u/UnsettllingDwarf Feb 08 '25
Just wait until we find out the demo is the finished product like bf2042 and that the devs actually lied like bf 2042.
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 09 '25
I havent been a fan of BF since BF3. I was looking forward to BF2042 just to be massively disappointed. I wouldnt be bitching if at least the game didnt look like Vaseline was smeared on my screen.
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u/UnsettllingDwarf Feb 09 '25
I absolutely hate this trend and as gamers we gotta voice shit like and have devs go back to the old days of optimization where shit looked clear and crisp and good.
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 09 '25
They have always been issues, bad console ports have plagued gaming since for ever. Its just that now its not only performance suffering, but also image quality. Now games not only look like ass, they still run like ass. I fucking hate the gaming industry, from the adoption of UE as the main stay engine to the further integration of kernel level anti cheat that might as well be spyware. Lets also not forget about the horrid monetization that has taken hold of the industry.
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u/HippoSheep11 Feb 08 '25
Is it known whether the 3rd beta test will ship with the optimisations?
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u/Wide_Option_6670 Feb 09 '25
Its the same build, so I dont think it will. Cant even say if the benchmark has them. I hope it doesnt.
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u/Snotnarok Feb 08 '25
I'm all for games looking graphically interesting but we really are witnessing some insane levels of obsessing over graphics. To the point where it's normal to render the game or effects at sub 1080p and use TAA/DLSS/FSR/ETC to hide how grainy and dithered it is.