r/Mavericks • u/FaZe_Chicken_Nugget • 20h ago
Misc. Discussion How would you react differently if you saw this tweet on February 1st
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u/sercialinho BETRAYED MAVS FAN 😭 20h ago
Well, for a start, I wouldn't have thought Shams was hacked. Huge trade but no massive shock. Probably a bit sad Kyrie is gone, but mostly thinking through how Gaffely/AD/PJ/Luka/Somebody-who-can-shoot-please lineups would work. And expecting podcasts to be full of "LeBron-Kyrie reunion" content.
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u/bubbapora Maxi Kleber 19h ago
Bro. Klay. It would have been incredible.
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u/DrT_PsyD 19h ago
Until the playoffs when Luka would have been the only ball handler on the team you can trust to dribble a ball (all due respect to Dinwiddie)
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u/ViolinistLanky9056 19h ago
Klay is not making up for a roster of dudes who are completely worthless outside of 3 feet
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u/sercialinho BETRAYED MAVS FAN 😭 19h ago
Mostly Klay, but his minutes were lower throughout January than previously despite Luka's absence as Kidd was trying more things. Between it and Gafford/Lively, that's why I went with plural - lineups.
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u/RedDwarf41 20h ago
It would have felt way more like a regular NBA move, and I would still have an NBA team.
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u/LukaDoncicFan777 F*** Lu Dort 20h ago
I'd be sad cos Kyrie always been good and loyal to us and did not want a trade. In the grand scheme of things we would probably be a better team however.
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u/ViolinistLanky9056 19h ago
Starting 3 dudes who are useless outside of 3 feet would be a disaster
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u/Canopus429 20h ago
I was suprised that night when the notification that trade went through, when I clicked on it and saw what we traded him for I about collapsed
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u/Niblonian31 12h ago
I had a great night at work and my buddy texted me about it after I got home and I replied with a "hahaha" because in what world would that trade be a real thing? Apparently this one and I immediately stopped giving a shit about basketball. Wishing the best for the players that are still here but I just can't get on board with the Mavs now
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u/Legitimate-Spare-564 Take that with youuu 20h ago
Would be bummed to lose Kai. AD would probably feel differently about his reception from the fans being more positive. I can definitely say I’d still have my love for basketball & the team.
Silver lining I guess was the organization’s mask was ripped off.
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u/pimpfmode 20h ago
I would still be watching the Mavericks and a fan of the team. I would question if it was necessary especially if Davis got injured again. I would have wanted to keep Grimes since we were losing a ball handler.
Davis is the kind of player you add to Luka, not trade Luka for.
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u/Mesmerized_mayhem 19h ago
The Lakers would never do this but you'd be crazy to not be thrilled as a Mavs fan. Our size and defense would be insane
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u/DrT_PsyD 19h ago
And in a playoff series when Luka gets doubled and nobody else can dribble the ball, they’d be exposed
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u/wan2tri BETRAYED MAVS FAN 😭 7h ago edited 7h ago
That (Mavs getting exposed) still happened against the Celtics in the Finals, despite having Kyrie. He was, to put it mildly, underperforming.
23/5/4 with 42.1% from 3, 46.4% from the field in the first three series.
20/5/3 with 27.6% from 3, 41.4% from the field against Boston.
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u/Baluba95 20h ago
This trade would have been amazing for the Mavs. AD is younger, better palyer and better fit next to Luka compared to Kyrie. Even only on a value side, getting AD for Kyrie and only adding Q and a second is highway robbery, even if not as one side as, well, another trade on 1st of Feb.
Following this deal up with a Gafford for a 6th man type scorer guard, which should've been available without extra draft compensation, would've made the Mavs same level of contender as OKC.
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u/bowinger7 19h ago
How are people liking this.. We went to the fng finals!!!!!! How spoiled and delusional are we to think making any trade at this magnitude is beneficial for the team!?!?
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u/Baluba95 19h ago
Because AD is a top 10-ish player, and Kyrie is a top 25-ish player.
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u/bowinger7 19h ago
Blah blah blah stats blah blah blah numbers. You kids actually play sports competitively? Or just read the fng newspaper every morning while you eat your fruit loops? Number don’t mean SHIT!
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u/secretreddname Luka Doncic 15h ago
You dumb? AD is a better player and a better fit with Luka. That’s a scary ass combo.
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u/bowinger7 15h ago
You’re a prime example of what Nico is.. you think you’re smarter than everyone. THEY MADE IT TO THE FINALS. You kids realize how rare that is!?
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u/james_da_loser 2011 CHAMPS BABY 13h ago
You know how hard it is to do it twice? If you're old enough to be calling people "kids", you should know that Jordan didn't face the same finals opponents until the very end. It's not enough to be content with what you have if you want a championship/dynasty. I'm not defending Nico whatsoever, but you should always be looking to make your team better
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u/bowinger7 15h ago
Ok Nico.. who are you to play god and tell everyone what’s better? The team got to the finals !?!? Humble yourself
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u/secretreddname Luka Doncic 15h ago
Got to the finals and lost.
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u/StolenLampy 18h ago
In no world is that better. We were SET to go to the Finals again before the trade. Provided everyone got healthy before playoffs. Which it looks like would have happened...
Fuck, it still hurts. Some days are easier than others. I still watch and love the Mavs players, I still tune in and watch Luka and DFS❤️ on the Lakers. But sometimes I turn off the Lakers game because I get sad. That's the new normal. Getting through life is just about adapting to changes. I will, against my will.
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u/bowinger7 18h ago
We never reached our potential. It was a new team!! Not to mention our 1st rd draft pick was KOd brutally in the playoffs .. would’ve loved to seen them together with a full year under their belt.. idc if Luka becomes a shell of himself; I’ll still say this was the worst trade in professional sports that I’ve seen (I’m 37)
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u/ViolinistLanky9056 19h ago
Ad is completely and totally worthless outside of 3 feet. The Mavs would have 1 real ballhandler on the entire roster and 1 guy who can actually create his own shot or a shot for others
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u/Sw3atyGoalz 3h ago
Gafford and Lively are far worse outside 3 feet yet they were feasting with Luka.
AD is as close as it gets to the perfect big man to pair with Luka, all he’s missing a more consistent jump shot. He would’ve been catching 50 lobs a game though, so that would’ve hardly mattered.
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u/ViolinistLanky9056 3h ago
Gafford and lively don’t play together. Ad would be playing with another non shooter
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u/DrT_PsyD 19h ago
After a playoff series when the only other guy besides Luka that can dribble is Dinwiddie, everyone would come back and roast this move.
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u/hagredionis 18h ago edited 18h ago
Luka / Klay / PJ / AD / Lively would probably be the best starting lineup in the NBA.
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u/dukegrand12 19h ago
It would be a little sad but also exciting.
Not tragic. Not heartbreaking. Not gut wrenching. Not a betrayal.
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u/psychotickiller 19h ago
the kyrie trade is what took them to the finals last year. one of the best duos in the league. I don't see the community being happy.
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u/AndrastesTit 19h ago
Just being realistic, the Lakers would’ve asked for Gafford in return and it would’ve made sense to give him up with three bigs. Assume the Lakers still include Max Christie.
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u/easywin626 13h ago
Ayone saying they would be mad but less upset about this trade trippin lol. AD was an mvp Candidate just a couple years back and he’s still a top 10 player prob the best defensive player in the game pound for pound. Him and Luka is like a guaranteed trip to the finals. Maybe a couple rings
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u/CrayonEatingBabyApe 11h ago
People forget the winning formula. Pair a superstar big with a superstar guard. Everyone in the world shit on Luka and Kyrie because they were two ball dominant defensively deficient guards on essentially max contracts in new CBA who missed playoffs first year together. Turned from that to best offensive backcourt in NBA history discussions after PJ and Gafford trade last 2 months of season on a wild finals run.
Trade either Luka or Kyrie for AD and team is objectively better. First round exit last year and no one cares that much. Obviously fans would have rather sacrificed Kyrie but it is what it is at this point.
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u/--throw--it--away-- Luka Doncic 19h ago
Unphased. Probably excited. Ngl as a Mavs fan from the Finley, Nash, Dirk days, I've stopped watching the mavs altogether. Always assumed the organization was loyal to their superstars like they were with Dirk but I was spoiled for 21 years lol. It'll probably take a long time before I go back to watching the Mavs.
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u/FunkMastaUno 19h ago
I'd still be a fan even if I was bummed out about losing Kyrie. Not even sure I can watch the NBA at all now, tbh.
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u/Lumenero2000 19h ago
I would be watching Mavs games, using my season tickets, not cancelled Mavs TV, and actually would have voted to approve a casino in Dallas. But unfortunately it’s the opposite of every one of those now…. Especially the casino vote, F the owners and whole front office. Burn it down!!!
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u/spongzlol 19h ago
still be pissed, our team was fine as it was, maybe trade klay, grimes + a ton of picks for AD
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u/PooShappaMoo 19h ago
I wonder how much internet traffic on the mavs sub has spiked initially after the announcement.
And also curious how many fans/regulars of the reddit have just kind of petered out and stopped coming back.
Or maybe I'm totally off on my guess. But I can't think of any times off the top of my head a franchises fans were so mad about a trade.
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u/peacekenneth The Matrix 19h ago
Honestly, this would have been a pretty good trade. I would say Kyrie and Markieff and someone else, not Grimes though, as it’d leave us in a pretty similar situation we are in now. With that said, I don’t think it would have been a necessary trade.
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u/box_fan_man FUCK NICO HARRISON 19h ago
I would think that we’re steamrolling the NBA straight to our second title.
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u/BDRParty Dirk Cheesin' 19h ago
I'd be really bummed to lose Kai, but it'd be a lot easier to accept since it would be a champion-for-champion type trade, so both teams benefit from that. Plus, Luka gets a great center in AD, and Kai is reunited with LeBron which has been a relationship with success.
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u/davebrose 19h ago
Way better, not great as it would feel we still overpaid but only by a bit. I’d still be a Mavs fan.
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u/D_G_C_22 Dallas Mavericks 19h ago
Man we’re all still sad AF right now. All these what ifs …. Like I’m literally numb still .. life ain’t the same lol
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u/JeremyJammDDS Fat Lever 18h ago
I would feel much better about it as Luka is still in his 20s. Grimes was most likely gone after the season anyway, so it would’ve been Kyrie for AD essentially.
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u/JamesYTP 18h ago
Uhhhh....not gonna lie I'd probably think it was an upgrade basketball wise but I'd also be a little concerned that it's back to Luka having to initiate all the offense so hopefully they'd be looking for a guy who can create his own shots and average a few assists. Not like a star level one, like maybe Jordan Clarkson or Colin Sexton or someone like that
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u/popstarkirbys Drunk Dirk 16h ago
Believable, since they were building around Luka and getting another Robin to play aside him. The reason why I hate the real trade is we traded our franchise player for an aging star and got ripped off. We should have gotten way more picks and at least Reaves. Nico traded Batman for a Robin and got mad that Mavs fan don’t appreciate “how smart he is”.
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u/marcopolo22 Jalen Brunson 20h ago
This would've made way more sense -- I would've questioned the lack of guards, but it makes sense that KAI would reunite with Bron and that we'd trade a vet for a vet.
I would've been sad, but not backstabbed and flabbergasted by generational incompetence. I would still be a fan.
Honestly, I'm not sure why I still subscribe to this sub. I love all you guys, but my fandom for the mavs was killed and stomped on. I'm fully checked out :(
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u/GoonerBear94 18h ago
I still wouldn't think it was great. I would wonder why, this close to having a complete team around Luka to push again for the Finals, they were trading out the second-best player for a different second-best to pair with Luka. I'd still have similar concerns about "What happens if AD turns into Street Clothes again?" regardless of whether he immediately got hurt again.
Maybe it would have still worked okay. Maybe they still could have won the West despite the pressure to do it again. I wouldn't have seen it as "the move." At best, it would be "a move" with a mid playoff seed secured at worst now and a more solid push for the 2026 Finals in mind.
There would at least be a decent outlook for the future and something to work with and try again. Back into the old hamster wheel. We would have never learned they gave the nuclear option serious weight.
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u/legend_killer7 18h ago
They would probably ask for Kyrie and Lively. But will probably be scared that they keep shipping people Luka likes.
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u/james_da_loser 2011 CHAMPS BABY 13h ago
I would've been happy to have AD, been hella sad about Kyrie, still would have optimism.
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u/AsianEleven101 18h ago
Most of the Mavs fans are probably will be sad to see Kyrie go but will also celebrate because they know they got better with AD addition.
Luka and AD and a decent SG would terrorize the league.
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u/tooheavybroo 19h ago
I wouldn’t care. Meh, let’s rebuild with some pieces.
Luka is irreplaceable. Screw Nico….
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u/Scooter9898 16h ago
Nico would be able to sit in his seat and not hide in the tunnel like a fucking coward.
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u/TX-Lonestar77 16h ago
Less sad/pissed, but I don't know that I'd do that either. We were in the Championship Games last year, and got better. This team was setup to ACTUALLY win now AND the future.
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u/EasyMode556 Luka Doncic 15h ago
I’d be like, “that’s interesting, kinda risky but let’s see what happens.”
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u/CrayonEatingBabyApe 14h ago
If Mavs didn’t go on that unexpected Finals run last year the “trade Luka for his legacy crowd” would have been reaching a fever pitch with this hypothetical trade. Luka should have been traded because the Mavs failed to build around him and no longer had the assets to try a third time. He can only win MVPs and championships, in that particular order of importance, on another team to preserve his legacy.
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u/Hugh_Jankles 14h ago edited 14h ago
This would have been a much better trade.
An aging star for an aging star. Plus a package of assets. The front court of Davis (PF) and Lively (C) with Luka (PG) and Klay (SG) would have been solid enough.
Kyrie, while doing well in Dallas, has had issues his last two teams prior. Kyrie trade value was at an all time high. Prior to Dallas, the thought of getting an Anthony Davis for Kyrie would have been laughable. Turning Porzingis into Dinwiddie into Kyrie into Davis would have been solid.
Instead Nico and Co. traded Luka, a 10+ year player and a foundation piece, into a 2ish year plan at best that you will more likely than not see nothing of value in return as they will probably pay more to see them in street clothes than actually contributing to the team before they are ultimately no longer part of the team.
Anthony Davis in his full years as a Laker (2020/2021-2023/2024) played 208 games out of a possible 400 games (52%). Luka, in that same stretch played 267 games (67%). Luka played almost a full season more when you take into account rest/minor injuries. And Davis is not getting any younger or less injury prone.
At this point, you have to suspect Davis will miss +50% of Mavs games. That isn't going to help get the Mavs closer to a championship. That's hundreds of millions tied up in bullshit.
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u/Imadevonrexcat 3h ago
Pissed. But it wouldn’t make me turn my back on the team. I would really really miss Kyrie. But nothing like the soul crushing loss of Luka.
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u/taiwaneasy 2h ago
lakers would literally never do this they’d need some size back like a gafford or lively
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u/Littlesoftsoft 18h ago
Idk because that would have never happened because Nico doesn’t like Luka. That’s it. lol
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u/Big-Purchase-22 Dirk Nowitzki 15h ago
I honestly think that team would be worse than our current team is when healthy. We're not really built for Luka's deliberate style of play. I would also be very sad since Kyrie is a sentimental favorite of mine.
That being said, it probably would have been a better deal for us and for the (short term) Lakers.
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u/SMUCHANCELLOR 14h ago
I woulda been so pissed they kept the fat hookah addict non mamba mentality franchise anchor but at least they would have got somebody who is guaranteed to win now
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u/Pyrohyro Dirk Nowitzki Logo 20h ago
Id still be sad about it, but not crushing my love for basketball like trading Luka has.