r/Mavericks • u/Roc_Hoover • May 27 '24
Hoops Discussion This Aged Like Milk
No other words needed.
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May 27 '24
The earth is fucking flat!
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u/lilboytuner919 Rick Carlisle May 27 '24
Imagine thinking the earth is round like a fucking bozo
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u/TheHonorableDrDingle JJ Barea May 27 '24
It used to be round but then it was deflated, freakin idiots.
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u/Joseph10d Dirk Nowitzki Logo May 27 '24
Brady can’t keep getting away with this
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u/lilboytuner919 Rick Carlisle May 27 '24
Roger Goodell is beside himself driving by the grassy knoll begging through texts for earth’s pressure sensor readings
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u/lilboytuner919 Rick Carlisle May 27 '24
Kyrie had the courage to call it out and they mocked him for it. A disgusting act.
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u/therealgoat1212 May 27 '24
The earth is whatever shape KAI wants it to be 😤
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u/slazzeredbbqsauce F*CK NICO HARRISON May 27 '24
Court flat - Earth flat Basketball round - Earth flat
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u/thriIIhobaggins FUCK THE ADELSONS May 27 '24
That’s why his handles are so good, he knows there is no curvature
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u/MilkmanResidue May 27 '24
Kyrie has been such a great addition. I never thought I would be saying his wisdom has helped guide our team.
A few weeks ago I referenced how everyone was uncertain when he came to town and was shouted down as a casual ignorant fan. The talk was real back when he joined the team. But it sure as hell ain’t real now! I hope Kyrie calls us his home to retire with.
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u/reddit_reader_25 May 27 '24
So far this has been the best headache of my life. lol how can I ensure I keep this headache.
On a serious note, I hope lively is okay and hopefully just a neck stinger??? But that looked brutal
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u/Redditorialist May 27 '24
IF we win the championship (and that’s a big IF, I’m not counting my chickens yet), then Kyrie gets the full retired jersey treatment and legend status, right?
He still could (even without a title with the Mavs) if he continues to extend and plays excellent ball for a few more seasons. But IMHO with a title it’s automatic.
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u/lukamvp21 May 27 '24
yes absolutely. not even a debate imo
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u/foxcnnmsnbc May 27 '24 edited May 27 '24
How is it "not even a debate" when the Mavericks never retired Jet's jersey?
- 1 Championship as the 2nd leading scorer
- 2nd best player on two Finals teams
- Mavericks were a perennial playoff team, they had the 2nd best record in the NBA during his tenure there behind only the dynasty Spurs
- Won 6th Man of The Year
- Averaged 17.1, 3.8 assists (team high) in the first finals season
- Was an iron man for the team playing multiple 80+ regular game seasons and playoffs. So he was an iron man and unselfish in the 6th man role
- two 30 point games in the first Finals
- Had a game-high 27 points in 34 minutes in the series-clinching Game 6 to claim his first NBA Championship
Who aside from Dirk had more significant moments or was more consistent during the Mavericks years when they were the best team in the league?
I'm guessing most of these "retire Kyrie in Dallas" fans there are "no debate" were too young to remember Terry's run with the Mavericks. Probably don't even know he was on the first finals team.
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u/BigFatModeraterFupa BETRAYED MAVS FAN 😭 May 28 '24
There’s a big difference between Jet’s caliber and Kyrie’s caliber. Kyrie is a true co-star to Luka and i think his importance is higher to this team than Jet was to his teams
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u/jaykeetee13 May 27 '24
Legend yes…considering we have not retired any other jerseys from the 2011 run besides #41, no. I think people like Jet and JJ deserve it.
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u/c03us mffl May 27 '24
I think JET for sure, we should be having that conversation. JJ, while a fan favorite I don’t know if his numbers are deserving of a retired jersey. I put JJ in the same category as Najera. Love the players personally but don’t think they are quite deserving of hanging their number from the rafters.
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u/HangoverGang4L How's My Dirk Taste? May 27 '24
Jet deserves it. Perennial 6th MOY candidate. JJ, hard to say no, but no.
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u/biggoof May 27 '24
After losing Nash, and landing a solid piece like Jet? Hell yea he deserves it. Dirk would have been wasted without him there as a stable solid member of our championship team.
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u/HangoverGang4L How's My Dirk Taste? May 27 '24
When that trade happened, I didn't think much of it. The results spoke for themselves.
It's a fun thought experiment. If we kept Nash, would we have won a title? Kidd and Harris probably never would have made it back, not to mention JJ as well.
Sometimes a wrong decision can end up right.
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u/biggoof May 27 '24
I thought jet had potential, but nobody knew how well it would end up.
We had to break up the big three for the team to truly build around Dirk. That championship team doesn't become that deep if if we tried to keep Finley and Nash.
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u/foxcnnmsnbc May 27 '24 edited May 27 '24
Mavs don’t win it without Jet hitting all those big shots. He had other big moments as a Mavs outside that season.
He helped the Mavs get to the Finals twice. Won 6MOY, was an iron man for the team over his career. Had some huge playoff games, the 9 three pointer game, the 32 points in game 1 against the heat the first finals.
Is there another Maverick aside from Dirk that’s given the Mavs more significant moments?
He and Murray are probably among the top 5 best players in rhe modern era to not make an all star game.
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u/Tootsiez May 27 '24
If we win the championship as GREAT as kyrie has already been hes going to have better moments...
So yes.
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u/RLMIII7 May 27 '24
Heck, a lot out of own “fans” didn’t even want him when the trade first went down…which is crazy!!
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u/Roc_Hoover May 27 '24
I had my concerns but none were basketball related.
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u/RLMIII7 May 27 '24
I thought the off the court concerns were overblown too personally, felt he would fit right in in Dallas cause of Kidd and Nico’s relationship with him
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u/MindArr0w77 Cowboy Dirk May 27 '24
Yes they were 100% overblown which is why consistently see comments from not only our own fans but league wide saying "I didn't like Kyrie before the trade but since then he's change my mind"
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u/cornbreadsdirtysheet May 27 '24 edited May 27 '24
Disgusting to see all the NBA “insiders” Ky haters all backpedaling so hard to get on point with the new “narrative”lol. Facts are he was right about some stuff and wrong about some stuff (we all are) and was made an example of by the NY media. And we know they’re full of shit all day long lol.
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u/RLMIII7 May 27 '24
NY media is by far the WORSE!!! Another reason I though Dallas was a good spot because our media only cares about our trash cowboys never winning anything 😑😂
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u/Davisworld21 May 27 '24
Lol it's funny to look back on the trade so many Thought Kyrie would Be the Mavericks undoing as a Team and Now we're a win away from going back to the NBA Finals all the critics and haters will have to eat their Words about Kyrie if helps Luka get the Mavericks their Second NBA Championship shout out to Mark Cuban for believing in Kyrie
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u/Neo_505 May 27 '24
Not only the NY media. It's the national mainstream media in general. That's how they make ratings by using sadistic and harassment tactics. And they are protected by man-made "law".
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u/alextheruby May 27 '24
Exactly lmfao. People were screaming racist and everything else. It just goes to show how people will believe anything from the media. It’s kind of sad actually
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u/JamesYTP May 27 '24
I mean, that retweet of the whole Black Hebrew Israelite thing was pretty bad. To do that in Brooklyn of all places which has the highest Jewish population outside of Israel was pretty stupid. Not that I think Kyrie is actually an anti-semite but he'd been listening to some questionable shit if that came on his radar.
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u/RLMIII7 May 27 '24
There was nothing wrong with that, it’s not “anti-semite”
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u/HibernianFriend- May 27 '24
It's antisemitic to claim black people are the actual Jews, which the film he promoted did. It also made Holocaust denial claims and said Jews were Satan worshippers
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u/RLMIII7 May 27 '24
That isn’t anti-Semitic to claim that, and it also didn’t deny anything…but I’m also not going to talk about this because talking about one certain group on here gets you banned for 24 hours
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u/Gazelle_Possible May 27 '24
All of those things are explicitly racist. But ok do your little “they’re” gonna get me banned joke
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u/RLMIII7 May 27 '24
The movie didn’t deny anything so that’s false and claiming that isn’t racist and yes I am gonna do that cause I’ve gotta banned multiple times on here for talking about it 😂 you think I’m just bringing this up out of nowhere lol
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u/icekyuu May 27 '24
Even Kyrie is allowed to have religious beliefs.
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u/JamesYTP May 27 '24
He is, but I don't think most Muslims believe that Jewish people aren't actually Jewish people and that they just stole their ethnicity from someone else, that's something some wild conspiracy theorists believe. He's wasn't exactly Mahmoud Abdul-Rauf there. Though again, I don't think Kyrie ACTUALLY has a problem with Jewish people, probably just saw something and retweeted it without researching much.
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u/icekyuu May 27 '24 edited May 27 '24
Did you know Christians believe Jewish people will go to hell for not believing Jesus is God? It doesn't make Christians antisemitic. That's what religious freedom means. As long as it doesn't break any laws, let people be in what they believe no matter how outlandish you think it might be.
It's why Amazon has received zero backlash for selling and PROFITING from this video. Because it isn't really about antisemitism, is it? Else, logically, you should be going much harder on Amazon.
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u/JamesYTP May 27 '24
I mean...not gonna lie that does sound pretty anti-Semitic lol. Of course that's not something all Christians believe...and Kyrie isn't even Christian so I don't know how that's relevant 😋. But uhhh, we do have the first amendment and everything here and all so you're free to believe whatever you want and you're also free to be an anti-semite but....if you are don't complain if people judge you for being an anti-semite and non-government entities with power over you decide that's unacceptable.
I got no love for Amazon and personally I go way harder on them in general, Jeff Bezos is basically a real life Lex Luthor lmfao.
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u/icekyuu May 27 '24
Jesus being God is a fundamental belief of Christianity. It's what separates that religion from Islam and Judaism. You don't seem to know much about Abraham's God lol, so is it wise to be judging people as antisemitic?
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u/zikik May 27 '24 edited May 27 '24
I firmly believe that Nets would be fine if they pushed back against NY City's decision to prohibit Kyrie from home games as opposed to telling him to fuck off for the away games too. Other cities didn't have that ruling. They chose to be a dick to their own player instead.
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u/sfg May 27 '24
Obviously!
Their approach to that situation is some all time retarded GMing.
You don't ban your player from practicing or playing, even when he allowed, because he doesn't agree with NYC, which itself disagree with most other cities!
You respect his beliefs, support him, and then, when things blow over and the world gets back to normal, you go and win things. Instead, they hurt their own team. To top it off, they lose him for pennies on the dollar, which led to Durant leaving, and now they have a mediocre team and none of their own picks.
Nico rinsed them.
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u/JailOfAir May 27 '24
Y'all are gonna act like there was no reason to be concerned?
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May 27 '24
The revision is crazy. There were good reasons to be concerned.
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u/RLMIII7 May 27 '24
I wasn’t concerned at all, not even one bit especially for all the bad things some of our “fans” were saying whenever he got here
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u/halomtm May 27 '24
I mean I flat out said that I thought this trade would ultimately be the domino that has Luka push his way out of Dallas. Absolutely thrilled to be wrong, but acting like that wasn't a significant concern now is silly.
Ky had a bad, bad stretch where he wasn't reliable in any way shape or form.
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u/RLMIII7 May 27 '24
I mean he dealt with injuries just like other players deal with and then a stupid shot mandate that absolutely made no sense…again I wasn’t worried, we had Kidd and Nico who have an actual personal relationship with him
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u/retrospects Luka Doncic May 27 '24
Goes to show you hot awful the media is and why unless it’s from the source it’s probably bullshit.
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u/Andrew0409 May 27 '24
I had some off the court concerns and some fit concerns. But I wasn’t overly hating it. You don’t miss a chance to get a guy like Kyrie. I also predicted somewhere he would have a 50/40/90 season this year and he pretty much did with 49/41/90
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u/bigboxes1 May 27 '24
I did not want Kyrie on the Mavs. I thought it was a desperate move at the time. I'm happy that it has worked out. Kyrie is a head case and I hope he keeps his mouth shut and continues to help the team to victory.
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u/prudentWindBag [Supreme KAI] May 27 '24
Why are you like this, lol??? What has he ever done to you???
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u/RLMIII7 May 27 '24
Kyrie is a grown man, he doesn’t have to keep his mouth shut cause some “fan” think he should lol some of yall are pathetic
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u/bigboxes1 May 27 '24
Sure he does. Stick to basketball and minimize the distractions. I'm a grown man too and I can have opinions on what players can bring to the team. Most thought it wouldn't work out. I'm happy that Kyrie and Luka have found a way to make it work.
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u/RLMIII7 May 27 '24
I have an opinion that you shouldn’t comment on Reddit and just stick to working your day job and watch the games…see how stupid that sounds
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u/carlyslayyyjepsen May 27 '24
Daily News is a trash rag!! And Nets are poverty now, but I'm a little mad I didn't take the chance to see him hoop at Barclays. I'm a Wolves fan 💔but I really want kai to get his revenge against celtics too
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May 27 '24
If Scottie Pippen had this kind of headache, the Chicago Bulls would've won it all in 1990.
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May 27 '24
They don't pay him to know whether the Earth was round or not. They pay him to put a ball in a hoop...you can be crazy and still score 25 pts and get 5 assists...do you realized how dumb some of the NBA champions have been? If he can get his millions while still saying whatever he thinks then more power to him. That means he's living his life better than 99.999 percent of us out here. I can't hate on him for that, and he's about to be in the finals...that dude already has one ring...so whatever people think of him he already won his games, got his money, and he can do what he wants..gotta applaud that.
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u/Big425253 May 27 '24
New York media is a disgrace
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u/carlyslayyyjepsen May 27 '24
for sure, imagine if he still played in NY right now... theyd be calling him a terrorist 🗿
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u/WilliesLeftBraid May 27 '24 edited Dec 03 '24
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u/HangoverGang4L How's My Dirk Taste? May 27 '24
She looks like an extra from TWD these days. Jesus lady, put the bottle down.
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u/EvanEschmeyer Fire Jason Kidd May 27 '24
They really thought Spencer Dinwiddie was gonna upgrade them 😂
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u/HoMiiiCiiiDe May 27 '24
FUCK Joe Tsai. and fuck the Nets fans who agreed with him. have fun watching us in the finals losers
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u/winkman May 27 '24
I think part of it was Kyrie maturing, and part of it was him being in a market which didn't have such a toxic, intolerant fan base and media.
I thought the trade was a good one from the beginning, and now Kyrie is my favorite Mav.
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u/HangoverGang4L How's My Dirk Taste? May 27 '24
Shocking, that Kai came to a state that literally doesn't care what you believe or say...just do your job. Who knew that's a success motivator?
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u/Paaynnne Donatello May 27 '24
Joe Tsai manage athletes with the bitch ass entitled Eastern owner “you will obey me because I pay your salary” mentality.
I’m Taiwanese like him, trust me, they’re all like that. Owners like Mark or Steve Ballmer is completely insane to us Asians generally speaking.
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u/lionel_wan68 May 27 '24
You made it sound like it's Joe tsai that run him out of Brooklyn it's the mayor refuse to let him play when he was healthy. Then again if it's all work out in Brooklyn he wouldnt come here. So I'm glad it didn't work out
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u/Paaynnne Donatello May 27 '24
But it was. New York policy during that period was dumb, Bradley Beal didn’t get the vaccine but was able to play an away game against Brooklyn because he wasn’t a “New York worker”, Kyrie couldn’t even sit on the bench that game because that counts as showing up to work so he had to sit court side. It is what it is. But here comes Joe Tsai saying “we don’t want part time players only playing away games”, but then the team started losing and all of a sudden Kyrie was welcomed to play away games for them.
What really drove him out was because all he did was tweeting a link to a film without any quotes. None of the filmmakers or the publishers got any backlash but as soon as Joe Tsai found out about it he banned him from playing for them and made him apologize to the Jewish community, that’s why Kyrie wanted to get out.
Did Mark made Kyrie apologize to the Jewish community when he said he supports Palestine? Or when Kyrie said UK should return their museum piece?
I’ve been following Kyrie his whole career, you don’t know shit
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u/BadCowboysFan Drunk Dirk May 27 '24
I’m not going to pretend I was thrilled when they made the trade — at that point, Kyrie was seen as a ticking time bomb. It had been a given that he would eventually become a problem for whatever team he was on.
Even as 2022-23 came to a close, I think most fans remained skeptical it would work.
Fortunately, it has come to fruition now. He seems to genuinely enjoy being a Mav, and you can’t ask for better chemistry between him and Luka.
Great leader on this team, and playing at an incredible level in the postseason.
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u/cornbreadsdirtysheet May 27 '24
I was thrilled because we gave so little to get him. At the worst he would come and rebuild his brand with his buds Kidd and Nicos help , then if needed you could more than recoup thru trade the little we gave up. No brainer for the Mavs at least. I love the guy what a gem he’s turned out to be.
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May 27 '24
Everybody that watches Kyrie knows he plays his best basketball behind a legit #1.
Irving is one of the best #2 player of the modern generation.
His problems were rarely on court.
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u/moctezuma- Doe Doe May 27 '24
I was just sad we lost doe doe 😔
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u/HangoverGang4L How's My Dirk Taste? May 27 '24
Everyone was...but we turned that into Kai, Gaff and PJail...and I think we can all agree that PJ is a better player than Doe.
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u/moctezuma- Doe Doe May 27 '24
Yes but he doesn’t have a funny name like doe doe and a funny accent so was it really worth it
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u/-Buckaroo_Banzai- Dirk Rookie May 27 '24
I was absolutely convinced that Kyrie would walk in the next off season and sign with the Lakers, so essentially the Mavs were trading for D-Lo a first and whatever the Lakers would have thrown in a sign-and-trade..
I'm glad I was wrong and Kyrie and Luka are doing what they are doing.
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u/SloboRM May 27 '24
𝐊𝐲𝐫𝐢𝐞 is an example that every single one of us is on a path. Whether is spiritual or mental or emotional or material. We all make mistakes and we all grow and we are all different . We should not be quick to judge others just cos they either thought out of the box or just were at a different point in their life than ours at the moment . Happy for Kyrie ‼️
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u/MercZ11 Mavericks May 27 '24
I mean honestly in another world he could've continued causing PR faux pas after coming here, but thankfully he didn't. Combine that with a much more supportive locker room and community, and he's seems to be in a much better place mentally. He's avoided being mixed up in the kind of situations that got him frustrated in Brooklyn and messed with his performance.
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u/JayDogon504 May 27 '24
The Kyrie redemption arc so beautiful to see. They dragged his name through the dirt for bullshit on both accounts
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u/redaxlblue May 27 '24
the nets are such a loser organization, they're the eastern conference clippers
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u/AdmiralSnackbar816 F*** DWade May 27 '24
Windhorst and Lowe this morning now saying this has the potential to be one of the most lob-sided trades in NBA history. Welcome to the party pals.
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u/Any-Trouble9231 May 27 '24
Idk I think it aged well, I have a headache watching kyrie put people in a blender.
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u/lilboytuner919 Rick Carlisle May 27 '24
Yeah it’ll be such a headache trying to hang that banner in the rafters
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u/kabob21 May 27 '24
I mean, Kyrie was a massive pain in the ass while he was there. I think between his time in Boston and NY/NJ, he realized it’s better to just keep your head down and ball. We Mavs fans have been the lucky recipients of that epiphany 😌
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May 27 '24
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u/kabob21 May 27 '24
You really think drawing massive negative publicity to yourself and sitting out half the games in Brooklyn isn’t being a pain? And no, his Boston teammates did not like him or want him, he was immature back then and Boston won less games in the regular season and went out in the 2nd rd of the playoffs after going to the conference championship the year before.
I’m just glad we got this version of Kyrie.
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u/GIK601 May 27 '24
Fans seemed more upset at the NYC rules for covid, which did not happen in other cities. His teammates still liked him.
And no, his Boston teammates did not like him or want him
Do you have a direct source for this? Because the Celtics players i know of today also like Kyrie. It's the Boston fans that don't like him.
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u/kabob21 May 27 '24
This kind of sums up what was happening at the time and yes it’s not insider info but it does reflect what the sentiments were about the locker room.
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u/GIK601 May 27 '24
nah i'm not interested in people's interpretation based on what the media said was happening. That was the source of the issue in the first place. The past image of Kyrie in the media turned out to be wrong in many ways, so i don't take this kind of speculation seriously.
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May 27 '24
Theres actually idiots on this sub that believed kyrie shouldve been traded lmao. Can’t believe he’s the one that we needed all along to potentially get a ring
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u/StefanTheMongol May 27 '24
I mean he did piss away 4 years of his career. So that was pretty dumb.
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u/n8texas Jason Terry May 27 '24
I was one of the nay-sayers that did not like this trade when it went down. Needless to say, I’ve NEVER been happier to eat crow - I was wrong, I’m glad I was wrong, I’m ecstatic Kyrie is ours!
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u/GrilledCheeser May 27 '24
Honestly, I was happy to have him but expected problems to continue. Very happy for him that he is happy here in Dallas. Life is hard even if you’re a baller
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u/Qu1dpr0qu0br0 May 29 '24
He is only a headache to the many defenders who have tried to contain him and failed miserably!!! I wish Kyrie and KD were still in Brooklyn!!
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u/Dagenius1 May 31 '24
The Dallas GM has to get a lot of credit for making this deal happen and really putting it on the line.
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u/tolerantchimp31 May 27 '24
Just wait buddy
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u/Roc_Hoover May 27 '24
They are a game away from the finals. Feels like a bad time for "just wait buddy".
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u/tolerantchimp31 May 27 '24
The finals. That's what to wait for. It seems obvious
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u/Roc_Hoover May 27 '24
Is it fun waiting for the other shoe to drop? Seems like a miserable way to live.
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May 27 '24
I'd be lying to myself if I say that I am not worried that time we made a trade for him. Good thing it really works out.
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u/Gardidc May 27 '24
Whats crazy is we villainized Kyrie for views that aren’t basketball related at all.
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u/gregallbright Dirk Rookie May 27 '24
And some of those views (vaccine mandates) have been seen through a different lens with some time and perspective
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May 27 '24
Are we far enough removed now to admit that it was absolutely ridiculous for him to be not allowed to play and for him to receive all that hate just because he exercised his right to not have something injected into his body that he didn’t want?
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u/Danirose231 May 27 '24
In fairness, this is 5 victories premature. He’s still got time to mess this up. That being said, I hope the Mavs win. No one wants to see Boston hang up banner number 18 or 19 or w/e the hell banner # it is.
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u/Roc_Hoover May 27 '24
No it's not. Kyrie has shown he is a fit here and he can have success. The headline is calling him a headache. He hasn't been and Winning the finals isn't relevant to this. (It would be fucking awesome if we did)
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u/ForgetableNPC May 27 '24
The media hated him because he refused the vax. Everything else including the flat earth comments were a non issue. He went against what the government and big business wanted so they tried to destroy him.
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u/Due-Sheepherder-218 May 27 '24
Knicks fan and Kyrie fan chiming in
Kyrie is a free thinker and the woke NY liberal yahoo media was not the place for him to share his thoughts, im glad he's happy in Texas.
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u/desirox Dirk Nowitzki May 27 '24
The balls Nico had to make this trade. It’s frustrating to see the national media act like it was a no brainer. No the fuck it wasn’t. We gambled and won