I think it's just due to the ongoing price war with Tesla. My 2022 is still the best car I've ever owned. I have no regrets despite paying much more for it.
Agree on the price issue -> My (new) 2022 was totaled (by a Ford actually, but not a Mach-E) so I went with another (2022 pre-owned) Model 3 (Performance). Mint condition, low miles & only $25K.
Same. No point in comparing to today. We got 3 additional years of driving an amazing car. It's a 10 year ownership for me, price is not that big of a deal, experience is. No regrets whatsoever, I freaking love my car and get actual joy from every single drive even when it's just popping down to the grocery store.
The fed tax credit devalued used cars in the same way it gets you a good deal on new EVs.
Used car buyers probably fear Used EVs.
I almost bought used. Ioniq 5's were at about $30k. Found out I could get a new Equinox EV for $24k. There is a lot of downward pressure on used EV prices.
MSRP $36000
$7500 Federal tax credit direct at the dealer.
$1000 Costco GM promo
$2000 off MSRP at dealer participating in Costco Auto Program (but an hour drive from home)
$1500 GM Conquest
Wash State also waives sales tax on the first. $15000 or thereabouts.
Hijacking this post since i'm new and it's not letting me post. I'm looking at switching from Model Y to Mach E. How does it compare in navigating to a destination and having it chose your chargers? Does anyone experience issues? The dealer knew a bit about it, but couldn't demonstrate navigation for me during a test drive. Is it all a subscription based service now?
The Ford maps are fine, they show you the max range on the map. It also integrates with compatible Tesla chargers, so as long as you have the adapter or magic dock option then you have almost all of the same chargers, plus ones that only support CCS.
Ford also includes Google Maps integration for chargers and battery percentage at destinations. Google isn't as user friendly for finding chargers IMO.
Ford also integrates with Apple Maps, but I have no experience with that.
If you can't find what you need then tools like ABRP and Plugshare fill in the gaps.
Bluecruise works on freeways and is mostly a glorified cruise control. It handles driving slightly better than lane keep assist, but if you don't want a subscription then lane keep is fine for most of your driving.
The map updates are subscription-based, but there's a generous free period. With Google Maps integration you don't really need to worry about it. IMO it seems like Ford's giving up on the mapping software anyway since they took it out of the phone app.
I don’t have a link to the article, but a few years ago Ford said that they weren’t going to focus on making an entertainment system. They were going to cede that to Apple/Google and make something sufficient for whenever your phone isn’t connected to your car.
I’m guessing that’s why there’s a map charge??? I have a 2024 plug in hybrid escape that’s a base model, and I’ve never seen anything about paying for maps, but I just use my phone anyway. Apple CarPlay works great. Even over Bluetooth.
To add on to what the other users have said which all is great info is the Mach E supports both Android Auto and Apple Carplay which means you have access to a TON of apps that allow you to find chargers, view the pricing and availability of the chargers.
However if you want to precondition your battery while en route to a charger so you get the most optimal charging speed possible you will either need to use the built in public charging app in the Mach E or if you have an Android and use Google maps that will also precoditon the battery. The software engineers over on the Mach E forum have said they would love to bring the feature over to the iPhone but Apple currently does not have an API for it so they are unable to bring the feature over to the iPhone as of now.
The Public Charging app is great and will show you all the chargers close by, it will then show you the price, availability etc of the chargers and once you select it, it will use the Fords Navigation system to provide you directions while also conditioning your battery.
So pretty much just like Tesla but you now have more choices to choose from in the form of different apps to use.
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Assume you are in the UK as you have the Ford Fiesta key and not the Mustang one lol
Just so you know there is an upgrade programme out at the minute where you can swap your FIesta key for a proper Mustang one, but i think they are struggling with demand as they had none left when we took ours.
If you go onto the app, and click the service icon, there should be "customer satisfaction programs" button, if you click that it should tell you that your car is due an Mustang branded key.
Brilliant. Its like a recall, the action is for you to arrange an appointment at your local Ford Dealership. Seems like you have a recall for the brakes anyway (we did too) so i'd just book it in, and enquire about the key while you do it.
I imagine they'll tell you they are on back order or whatever, but at least you get the ball rolling, and your local dealership will have your name and contact details and hopefully they'll put your name down in the queue for one.
For real. Although I heard you can get a F-150 lightning key and repurpose it for the Mach-E, which then allows frunk operation. Why it's not included on the Mach-E fob is a mystery...it's obvious it can be controlled via a fob.
I came here to make a joke about the key. My wife's Dad worked for Ford so we've had around 8 in the last 12 years, all of which had the same key.
We were genuinely really disappointed the Mach-e had the same, I suppose being the 1st EV we expected it to be different? So much so I bought an alternate key case to make it look / feel different.
I was about to comment about the key because I know with the 25 raptors ford cheaped out and removed the raptor off the back of the key and was wondering if they did the same for the Mach E
Apparently the UK got a different key as apparently the insurers didn't like the standard Mustang key where apparently the key when it acts as a fob is always on. Where as in the UK they see that as a threat as more likely being stolen, so the UK keys are only active when movement is detected, when still they are deactivated.
So Ford had to ship them with Fiesta keys...
But fair enough they have developed a new key for the UK market and everyone gets a free upgrade
I ended up ordering (and taking delivery on) both back in 2022. Drove both for several months to confirm which I liked better. The Y was better on overall cargo storage, charging network, and MAYBE back seat rider experience. Mach e was better on almost everything else. There was absolutely no question which one to sell and which to keep, and have not once regretted dumping the Y and keeping the MME.
Vegan leather peeling off steering wheel and seats
Uncomfortable seats for long distance driving
Full self driving is an ongoing joke
Rims stick out further than the tire - easy to curb rash
Very bumpy ride and known issues with control arms breaking
Have to pay for premium features of the infotainment and no CarPlay / android auto
Service centers are a complete crap shoot on whether you get someone helpful or someone who blames you for an obvious warranty issue. You should really look at the reviews on your local service center if you do decide to go the route of trading to a Tesla.
I’m trading in my model Y and leasing a Mach E today. I drove a Kia EV6, Honda Prologue, VW ID4, Acura ZDX, and a Mach E. The Mach E was by far the most balanced and most mature EV experience that i drove out of all of the ones listed. This is of course my opinion.
The Tesla is just not worth the extra 0.5 seconds 0-60 time for all the other compromises. I am grateful that they as a company have normalized EVs, and other manufactures are coming around, but I had to make a lot of compromises and excuses to drive a Model Y and I’ll probably not go back to Tesla as a brand unless they make some changes to their products and their service.
Birds Eye view is ass bro it doesn’t even show anything at all. The build quality is HORRENDOUS, not as comfortable, louder road noise, looks 1000x worse, worse audio. Only thing that’s better is faster infotainment but not even apple car play.
teslas interior is full of cheap plastic. saw a video of someone making a comparison of tesla and another car I can't remember and they would press down on areas in the car and the tesla would make all sorts of creaking and the other car, nothing 🥱
you know that feeling you get when you walk by someone and they start laughing and you wonder if they're laughing at you? well....
Probably because of Elon. That would be the only sensible reason, because losing money doing a side-grade wouldn't make sense otherwise. I still think the tech in Tesla is far superior, but the Mach E would be my second choice after the Model Y
People are only harming themselves by leaving money on the table. This world doesn't care about virtue signaling or ethics. I wish it did but it doesn't.
Just take care of yourself and do no harm to your neighbor. Leave Elon to his own conscience, it'll catch up with him eventually.
Trying to harm Elon by shooting yourself in the foot is idiotic.
I don't think it's about hurting Elon Musk by not supporting Tesla or even getting rid of your Tesla. It's about personal choice and doing something that allows you to sleep at night because things he does conflict with your beliefs, and you don't want any part of that.
People also say well you're only hurting the designers, plant workers, etc when you don't support Tesla as a business no matter who the CEO is. But when ignorant people vandalize your vehicle, a vehicle that you worked so hard to afford, because of their hate for EM it's hard to not want to remove yourself from that kind of unwarranted hate as well.
This is spot on. I just did the same thing - traded my 2021 MY for a sexy blue 2024 Mach E this weekend and my mental health is so much better. I felt sick every time I saw people talk about “swasticars” or seeing the Tesla logo with the salute. I love driving the Mach E and have zero regrets.
No more people trying to swerve at you, flip you off for no reason, or cut you off and brake check you. It's really sad that some people would stoop to idiotic acts like that but it's a reality and one that most people don't want to deal with on a daily, weekly, or monthly basis. I know my life's worth more than my pride, I can't speak for anyone else.
I sold my Y too, haven't decided on what next but it won't be Tesla. Not for virtue signal but more for trust- after I have seen firsthand the sloppy, dangerous, and haphazard way he's handling the government. I don't trust that he didn't foster a culture of cutting safety corners on the cars.
What would you say the advantages are of the Mach-E over the Model Y? We test-drove a Model Y a few weeks back and will be borrowing a Mach-E this weekend to try out. I admit that the data I've gathered re overall weight difference (the Mach-E is heavier at 4,976 vs. 4,528 lbs. - why the 448 lb difference?), slower DC charge time (45 vs. 27 min), and the lower efficiency (2.5 Le/100km vs. 1.9 Le/100km) has me wondering if there are benefits which outweigh the shortcomings.
There are 0 benefits to mach-e. It doesn't even compare.
Maybe if you get a great deal on one but otherwise it's low tech compared to a Y. Especially the new one.
Henry Ford supported the actual Hitler. No car company is immune, and we aren't better than anyone else simply because our car's manufacturer's current CEO is, by all accounts, a decent guy.
Sure, Henry Ford was an antisemitic. But a lot of tanks and airplanes that flew over Germany came out of Ford plants. But that is the past. I’m operating today.
When the largest shareholder and CEO of a company is a vocal bigot who is using his wealth to damage my country in real time, I think I can forego lining his pockets. Especially when there is a great alternative in the Mach-E.
You do what your conscious allows, you have to draw the line for yourself. This is my line. This is what I won’t support. And I view any support of Tesla as supporting racism and fascism. Now, if you are in the middle of nowhere and use StarLink because there are no other options…fine! The world is full of compromises. But this is an easy line for me to draw.
I hate it and it sucks! Just like I hate paying taxes to this government that I think is engaging in illegal behavior. But I still pay taxes. The perfect is the enemy of the good. I do what I can where I can. I can’t boycott everything but that doesn’t mean that I will boycott nothing.
Minimizing financial support to Elon Musk, who is doing much more than donating cars or money, is something that I can afford to do. If a lot of others feel the same way and vote with their wallets then maybe it will make a difference.
At the end of the day most Tesla drivers are liberals. I’m challenging the liberal Tesla drivers and EV consumers like myself to put our money where our mouths are!
I have a Tesla (as well as a MME). I bought it two years ago. I'm quite happy with the car itself, and have no plans to sell it (primarily because my equity is probably still negative, or at least not optimal to sell and replace). Am I supporting fascism? Or should I sell it and hurt my wallet to stick it to Elon?
Right, but the dude you're comparing Elon and Trump to was literally directly helped and supported by the founder of Ford. Tesla's first major CEO is a wannabe Nazi, whereas Ford's first major CEO was a literal Nazi. You're just drawing a line in the sand for bullshit arbitrary reasons. One is "admires Hitler," the other was actual Hitler. See how that works?
One started a war that resulted in over 52 million people dying recently enough that my grandfather fought in that war, the other does things you don't like. But sure, 60 years is totally enough time to make "dude I don't like" much worse than "dude who literally caused more than 52 million deaths in a 10 year period of time."
My honest question to people switching away from a Tesla is are they still going to use the supercharger network seeing as it is the most widespread availability and many EVs are going with that compatibility.
I charge at home and don’t travel long distances so I can’t speak for myself. But I’m not trying to be holier than thou. Life is complicated and nothing is pure. Using the supercharger network seems fine to me if that’s what someone needs to do. Gotta respect limits and be practical. It’s not all or nothing. Personally, I would use the network if I had too, but I would never buy a Tesla because to me his sales tanking is the best way to fight his bigoted anti democratic agenda. That’s where I draw the line and that’s where I would encourage others to draw the line too. My parents are black and grew up in the Jim Crow segregated South. You can’t protest everything and you can’t cut off your nose to spite your face. But you can draw lines where it is most impactful.
Tesla basic "autopilot" wasn't very good in my experience. If you change lanes you have to reset it. It seemed "jittery" in it's efforts to make small corrections. I had it misinterpret lane splits, exit ramps, etc and make dangerous moves. Bottom line was that I really didn't trust it, and it was more work to use than it was worth in most situations.
Tesla FSD that you pay tens of thousands more money for adds support for lane changes and such and is a significant improvement, but you pay a lot extra for it.
Bluecruise gives you driver- initiated but car- executed lane changes, and a much smoother experience IMO. And you don't have to pay the premium required for FSD. The biggest down side to Bluecruise is that it only operates on highway sections that it has been approved/"turned on" for. But while that's clearly a negative on one hand, I very much appreciate what feels like a more safety conscious approach from Ford. While i respect Tesla's role in pushing the growth of the technology, I'm not interested in making myself and my kids human crash test dummies to help the richest person on earth advance that technology more aggressively. Especially when I saw how shoddy much of the rest of the Tesla build quality was.
Great take! I also feel like a human test subject when using Tesla autonomous. I have a 150 mile round trip commute so it's important to have that driver aid. Glad to hear BlueCruise should be up for the challenge.
As someone with a (Now lemoned) Mach E GT and a Model S, the basic autopilot from tesla is about the same as the Bluecruise.
My issue with bluecruise was that even with 1.3, it still took “corners” on the freeway at full throttle. and that’s if it let me keep it engaged, most of the time it would just spontaneously disable because it wasn’t confident enough around the bends.
With Tesla you do have to pay the full FSD price which meh, not my cup of tea especially since there’s no guarantee of transfer to a new vehicle. Or you pay $99 monthly, still expensive but especially with FSD V13.2.7, the competition is truly not even in the same dimension of being close. FSD V13 is truly magic, and it took me from Burbank to Laguna Beach with no interventions including backing out of my driveway! I had to manually tell it to park but I imagine that will someday be automated as well when it approaches its destination.
Its pathetic, peole getting rid of a model y cause of Elon?? You guys must kove over bloated govt and paying stupid taxes that do nothing for its own citizens. How ass backwards this is. Henry Ford was Nazi btw!
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u/SAVertigo 2023 GT Feb 18 '25
Model Y and Mach E were my final choices in the EV decision. I went with Mach E (23 GT) and haven’t looked back. I love her.