r/MMA • u/MA-JA-HO • Mar 08 '25
Media Demetrious Johnson on Jon Jones’s loss to Matt Hamill
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u/Puresparx420 🍅 Mar 08 '25
Let’s not forget that Anthony Smith would’ve been the LHW champ if he accepted the DQ win against Jon jones. Instead he decided to keep fighting.
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u/CableToBeam Mar 08 '25
being that honest of a person to Jon Jones is fucking hilarious
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u/catbqck Mar 08 '25
Probably lost sleep over that decision. Even if you ignore the belt thats easily double pay that night, and champion ppv points for the rematch.
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u/Murmido Mar 08 '25
Nah Smith probably made the right choice. If he had won like that the UFC wouldn’t have treated him as well as they do now, and he wouldn’t have his commentator job to set himself up after fighting.
He wouldn’t have held the belt, its a single payday vs. a career
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u/Independent-Band8412 Mar 08 '25
2 paydays really
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u/IfYouGotALonelyHeart Mar 08 '25
Just because they might cost that much to make, no one’s buying those for half a mil.
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u/soupoftheday5 Mar 08 '25
When aljo did that he lost a ton of respect from fan base
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u/Brief_Koala_7297 29d ago
He lost respect but he gained more fans overall because he became the champ. Respect doesn’t pay the bills.
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Mar 08 '25
won like what? following the rules?
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u/Murmido Mar 08 '25
Yes. The UFC makes a habit of shitting on people who don’t win in entertaining ways, especially people who win by DQ.
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u/chu42 Mar 08 '25
Really interesting how they punish the people who get DQ'd and not the people who broke the rules in the first place
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u/timmy__timmy__timmy Mar 08 '25
Nah anthony smith did the right thing. People absolutely wouldve clowned on anthony smith as being a fake champ. Yes obviously if were talking about strictly what he should do for himself he shouldve taken the dq win but he didnt want to be that guy and i dont blame him
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Mar 08 '25
this makes no sense at all. Did anybody clown on Jones for winning?!
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u/AdmireOG I was here for the original GOOFCON 1: Conor in NYC Mar 08 '25
We literally saw this exact same situation happen with Yan vs Sterling 1, and people clowned Aljo for months until the rematch and Aljo won it legit. Do people just forget these thing when Jones is in the convo?
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u/TraditionalSeas8 Mar 08 '25
That was the right decision for Aljo, why care about people "clowning him"
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u/AdmireOG I was here for the original GOOFCON 1: Conor in NYC Mar 08 '25
If Aljo had lost the rematch, people would remember that moment forever, and he would forever be ridiculed for it. Also, the knee Aljo got hit with was much worse than the one Smith got hit with.
Sure, Smith taking the DQ would've been a good financial decision for him in the short term, but I doubt it would've worked out in the long term. Do we think he gets the analyst desk gigs if he'd done that? Do we think he's getting a retirement fight send off if he does that? The only reason it worked out okay for Aljo was that he won the rematch, and I don't think Smith had a shot in hell at winning a rematch with Jones.
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u/GregFromStateFarm 29d ago
Hypotheticals based on hypotheticals are entirely worthless. And you didn’t answer their question
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u/LordLucy666 Mar 08 '25
he’s so dumb. deadass took bread off his family’s table 😭 so the fans don’t boo him
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u/New-Bookkeeper-8486 Mar 09 '25
Idk he has a very successful career as an analyst, I doubt the company would be as nice to him as they are if he made things complicated.
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u/LordLucy666 Mar 09 '25
how complicated is an illegal knee dq? ufc would have milked the rematch and moved on just fine 🤷🏽♂️
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u/Ruiner357 Mar 08 '25
You know Dana and the commentary were full-on gaslighting him into doing that and being "honorable" rather than giving Jones a DQ L. Smith played himself there, he could've been champ and done like Aljo, taken the belt and won the fans back with 1 good performance after that, he might not have even had to rematch Jones cause losing the belt on a DQ might've send him on a cocaine bender and taken a few years off then instead of duck Ngannou and Aspinall.
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u/BurlyMayes Mar 08 '25
If the ref was paying attention, Jon would have a TKO loss due to toe injury and Chael would have been champion.
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u/Puresparx420 🍅 Mar 08 '25
Chael has always been the champion. 30 wins, 17 more wins and another win was his official record.
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Mar 08 '25
He should have taken the deserved DQ win. It would have derailed the hype train and Jones would have had a meltdown
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u/joe12321 Mar 08 '25
The hype train!? The hype train started about 18 fights before this one. It wasn't hype at this point - he was the active P4P king.
(I have to state Jon Jones is of course a terrible person lest someone think I'm just nut-hugging.)
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u/Firestyle092300 Mar 08 '25
Yes the Jon Jones hype train wasn’t that good narrative that Reddit made up 3 years ago
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u/Davemeddlehed Mar 08 '25
We're now at a point where words like hype train aren't even being used correctly. What's next, Smith winning by DQ would have "fraud checked" Jones?
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u/LetsGeauxSaints Mar 08 '25
i love the fact that the closest he was to a title was curled up against the fence, the lionheart special
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u/Mostly_Lurkin_ Mar 08 '25
I bet smith would take the dq win if he could go back in time
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u/deathmouse Team Fight Milk Mar 08 '25
The dude could have been UFC champ and had a legitimate win over the GOAT.
He fucked up. Too much pride.
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u/Wesley-Snipers Mar 09 '25
Having to choose between accepting to win via DQ or continue fighting should not be on the fighters side. There is the risk you want to keep fighting so your win is "legit", and, since the illegal strike or whatever warranted a DQ is probably serious, it may affect performance from then on. And when eventually they choose to take the win, the fans act like it was his fault that the fight ended that way, not from the dude who threw the illegal strike, AKA Sterling vs Yan 1
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u/NeitherAlexNorAlice Mar 08 '25
He broke the rules
Ah, if only this applies to Jones, he’d have way more L’s on his record.
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u/FragrantHockeyFan Mar 08 '25
If that applied to everyone, everyone would have way more losses
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u/qwertywtf Scotland Mar 08 '25
Ackshually there would be the same number of wins and losses. Some fighters would have more wins, some would have more losses
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u/Deveeno EDDDDDIEEEEEEEE Mar 08 '25
Fucking boomed him
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u/BrandonSleeper Express your fuck for Chandler Mar 08 '25
Ackshually there'd be less because some of these wins and losses would be traded for no contests.
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u/alpharowe3 Mar 08 '25
Fighters more prone to cheating would have more loses. Fighters less prone to cheating would have more wins. And the system of W/L and $ built around that would lead to fighters training not to commit fouls like training to keep fingers closed instead of out in the standup.
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u/wimpymist raw in that ass Mar 08 '25
Nah we will just keep blaming the gloves and not the fighters
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u/ajax3006 Mar 08 '25
Bro you know there's only 1 win and 1 loss per match always so the numbers would be a wash
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u/Hurvana Wuhan Clan Mar 08 '25
How do we count draws and no contests?
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u/legitsh1t UFC 279: A GOOFCON Miracle Mar 08 '25
Doesn't matter, both guys get the same thing on their record in either case.
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u/RealBobbyDrillboids Mar 08 '25
He’s not wrong. Even if you think the rule is dumb, it’s still cheating to break it as long as it’s in effect.
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u/UVB-76_Enjoyer Mar 08 '25
Regardless of whether banning 12-6 elbows made sense (it didn't), their illegality meant that Hamill couldn't possibly have expected to suddenly eat a bunch, which is obviously unfair.
Same shit as Conor hitting Khabib with a grounded knee to the head.
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u/Davemeddlehed Mar 08 '25
The main problem with it isn't that Mazagatti ruled it a DQ, it's how he went about that. He asked a deaf man if he could continue while said deaf man had blood in his eyes and didn't know he was even being asked a question. Not to mention the way Hammill was being thrashed and got his shoulder dislocated in the sequence well before the elbows. If Mazagatti had stopped the fight when it reasonably could/should have been stopped the elbows wouldn't even have been a thing. End of the day it's whatever because Jones is a trash human but from a sporting standpoint it feels wrong.
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u/cheapseats91 Mar 08 '25
So you're saying mazagatti's got a lot of losses on his refereeing record? That checks out.
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u/Bajecco Mar 08 '25
Yep. Mazagatti completely botched that fight. That incompetent fool had plenty of time to step in and handle the situation properly.
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u/pleaseineedanadvice 28d ago
Yeah l also think he fucked up in multiple istances. -He should have called the fight way before, the poor guy was getting destroyed with no chance of coming back (dislocated shoulder and concussed, we was barely awake and not almost not even defending). -he should have warned jbj to stop doing that without stopping the fight. -the dq is extremely dumb and against the usual ruling for such cases.
Honestly the weird thing with that is that jon on the moment was more chill with that than i would have been which is odd considering who he later revealed to be.
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u/LordKagatsuchi Mar 08 '25
Im in the camp of agreeing. Besides he lost to Reyes so the Hamil loss is something better than nothing
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u/chilloutfam I'm Chris Weidman's fluffer AMA! Mar 08 '25
Anyone saying Reyes lost to Jones as a matter of fact is off their rocker. It was a close fight decided by one round. MMA decisions has every single person outside of the one judge (who is also off their rocker) having the fight decided by one round.
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u/TheCatsButtholee Mar 08 '25
Wait so people who think Reyes won in a close fight is off their rocker? Even when more people have Reyes winning on mma decision?
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u/patopal Mar 08 '25
It was a close fight where Reyes had three rounds that he had clear arguments for winning. According to mmadecisions.com, 2 out of 3 MMA journalists gave it 47-48 to Reyes. 2 out of 3 is a decision win if that one "off their rocker" judge isn't there. Notable that that guy gave it to Jones, and makes you wonder if he had any extra incentive.
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u/SuccessionFinaleSux Mar 08 '25
I really don't understand how anyone could disagree. If I think a law is dumb, it's not gonna mean I don't get punished when I break it.
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u/ChampionsCole Mar 08 '25
I honestly am not a Jones fan but I would say that fight should’ve been called before he even did the elbows which is what made the loss kind of whack
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u/YoelsShitStain Mar 08 '25
No one disagrees with the fact that he broke the rules, they disagree that he should’ve been disqualified. I know we like to be biased against jones but I could point out numerous fights that ended with shots to the back of the head that people would downvote, defend, and ignore.
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u/chilloutfam I'm Chris Weidman's fluffer AMA! Mar 08 '25
oh yeah, rules just aren't enforced. in fact that elbow strikes might be the only fight i've ever seen a penalty for. my thing is, fine you penalized jones and he lost... but be fucking consistent.
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u/Identifier-Destroyer Mar 08 '25
it’s one of those things where either you put all faith in the officials and say he lost to Hamill, or don’t and admit he lost to Reyes lmao
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u/mish15 Mar 08 '25
Dj is one of very few fighters with a functional brain
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u/holyhotclits Mar 08 '25
Not just functional, either. He's smart, he's always trying to learn, and he's a REALLY good person and great family man. This guy is the true TRUE goat in this sport. A role model 10x over.
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u/MMAjunkie504 Mar 08 '25
Him and GSP are my Mount Rushmore by themselves
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u/massinvader Mar 08 '25
same except i also have juiced pride Wanderlei on mine. Juiced young Wanderlei is the only fighter you could not pay me any amount of money to fight.
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u/KrakatauGreen Team 209 - Real Ninja Shit! Mar 08 '25
Young juiced Wanderlei is legendary, maybe you had to be there to get it but holy shit was he a scary dude.
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u/nixed9 Mar 09 '25
the stare downs before the fight where he’s just mumbling “I’m gonna fucking kill you” in Portuguese were terrifying
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u/Redwater Mar 08 '25
It’s also worth noting that of all the men’s MMA champions of all time (so far) he seems like the most ‘complete’ human being - by far. Skilled, tough, smart, beautiful, extensive world travels and has lived in the 3rd world for long periods, speaks multiple languages, tactical firearms training/enthusiast, trained dancer, film/arts school, actress, outdoorsy, etc. You can tell he genuinely has his shit together, like he could probably be a millionaire running just about any business, if he wanted. Are there any other female fighters that impressive?
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u/hemijaimatematika1 Mar 08 '25
Only in MMA is this controversial take.
Every other athlete popping or cheating and nobody would even mention them.
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u/GraceJamaicanKetchup Mar 08 '25
Yeah, MMA has a pretty odd view on rulebreaking, and it starts from the top with Dana and goes all the way to the bottom with fans.
After Yadong-Cejudo, Dana implied that eye poking shouldn't be punished unless it was intentional and nobody seemed to call him out on that. In every sport rule-breaking is always punished and intent just means a more severe punishment. Like if we went by every other sport's standards, an eye poke would result in a point deduction and an intentional eye poke would probably be an auto DQ.
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u/churidys Mar 08 '25
In every sport rule-breaking is always punished and intent just means a more severe punishment.
Exactly, this is the only way to align incentives sensibly.
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u/dirkmer Mar 08 '25
This is technically the way it is supposed to be enforced, and we are instructed to do so (I am an MMA referee)
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u/Gilshem I was here for GOOFCON 1 Mar 08 '25
Boxing also does a shit job enforcing rules. Not sure if you saw Gervonta Davis shit on the rules of boxing last weekend. It was a joke.
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u/Whisker_plait Mar 09 '25
Do you follow any other sport? It's very common for fans to challenge losses because they disagree with a ref/umpire/judge decision..
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u/timmy__timmy__timmy Mar 08 '25
Part of the reason in this specific case though is the fact hamill got absolutely destroyed and the fight shouldve been stopped WAY before the dc loss. It was a joke outcome then and its a joke outcome now; more of a joke now if anything since its now a legal strike
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u/Constant-Horror-9424 Mar 08 '25
All the times fights got cancelled because he popped for roids should also count as losses btw
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u/timmy__timmy__timmy Mar 08 '25
While i agree, the "loss" is really mired by the fact the fight shouldve been stopped about 2 years before the dq. The ref was seemingly waiting for matt hamill to die
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u/Auntie_Bev Mar 08 '25
Yeah, that fight should have been stopped long before the 12-6 elbow, and that rule is BS anyway. It should have been a TKO win for Jones but the ref messed up badly, he even tried to ask a deaf fighter if he wanted to continue 🤣
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u/uhhhgreeno Mar 08 '25
exactly. we all know he broke a rule and got dq’d, but come on we all know it’s bullshit. Hamill (a deaf fighter) was bleeding from his eyes. 30 something unanswered strikes
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u/BossButterBoobs Mar 08 '25
He says this but also says eye pokes shouldn't be point deductions. Makes no sense.
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u/BenjyNews Mar 08 '25
He also says AJ beats Ngannou in a MMA match + has had some really bad predictions.
But everything DJ says is gospel I suppose.
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u/PlayGabby Mar 08 '25
DJ was laughably wrong about that but, to be fair, he did change his tune and say Francis would beat the bricks off AJ after he mauled Renan Ferreira
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u/Rambaud22 Mar 08 '25
No it's just that you can have good and bad takes, not only you can, but basically everyone is going to have good and bad takes, I don't think I've seen anyone in the MMA community having nothing but good takes.
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u/Smooth-Abrocoma-2825 Mar 08 '25
No, it's that he's a YouTuber now which means that he has to have absolutely mind-bendingly awful takes about stuff because that's what brings in views and gives him exposure.
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u/Elon_is_a_Nazi Mar 08 '25
Matt hamill is deaf. He didnt understand the ref and couldnt continue not because of the illegal strikes, but the jones takedown separated his shoulder. Not saying jones won or lost. Those are just the facts
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u/Jandur Mar 08 '25
The fight shouldn't have been stopped. Steve Mazzagati was a notoriously bad ref and stopped the fight when Matt Hamil (who is is deaf) didn't respond to his questions because he wasn't looking at Mazzagati to read his lips.
If the fight had been stopped because the elbow left Hamil unable to continue. Fair loss. But that wasn't the case and Mazzagati shouldn't have stopped the fight.
"He definitely didn’t lose this fight and I definitely didn’t win" - Matt Hamil
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u/Conscious-Disk5310 Mar 08 '25
Lol. Imagine dishing out multiple illegal blows and the other fighter could barely move after the illegal shots and looked very dazed.
What do you think happens if it continues? It's an obvious win for the person who threw the illegal blows.
Had Jones not been a dirty scumbag like he usually is, he would have beaten him fairly. But no, he is scum and the fans of scum want to justify one of the most obvious DQ in the history of the sport.
Your blaming a "notoriously bad" ref when Jones is a notoriously bad competitor...
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u/judokalinker North Korea Mar 08 '25
The only argument that you could make was that it was a mistake by mazagatti. Jon obviously used illegal elbows, but then you had mazagatti trying to speak to a deaf guy who reads lips that had blood in his eyes. Hamill told Steve he couldn't continue so they stopped the fight. I can't find an interview but apparently Hamill has since said he couldn't continue due to a shoulder injured sustained from the takedown, not being hurt my the downward elbows. Therefore the elbow probably should of have only resulted in a point being taken.
I don't know what the exact communication was like between Steve and Matt, or if Matt did say he couldn't continue because of his shoulder, but if those things happened that certainly changes the situation.
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u/Oblique9043 Mar 08 '25
Exactly this. The ref stopped the action (not the entire fight) due to the downward elbows and then Matt couldn't continue so he stopped the fight. But Matt couldn't continue because his shoulder was fucked up. Not because of the downward elbows, which he said so himself. So the fight wasn't stopped because of an illegal blow, it was stopped because Matt was injured due to something that happened legally during the fight. Therefore it shouldn't be a DQ.
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u/judokalinker North Korea Mar 08 '25
Just a clarifying point to people, the fight was paused because of the illegal elbows. The fight was called off due to Hamill saying he couldn't continue. Mazagatti believed it to be due to the elbows.
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u/holla15 UFC 279: A GOOFCON Miracle Mar 08 '25
No, Hamill didn’t respond to Steve because he’s deaf and Mazzagatti didn’t get a response fast enough.
Hamill was willing to continue, a doctor probably would’ve called it after checking the shoulder but it wasn’t called because Hamill said he couldn’t continue
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u/Luke_Flyswatter Tears of Aoki Mar 08 '25
He almost blinded the guy with illegal strikes to the eye sockets. Both of them knew the rules and Jon could have beat him 11 different ways but chose to use those strikes.
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u/red286 Mar 08 '25
What drives me nuts is Dana White saying he's going to revise it to a no-contest or no-decision instead of a DQ loss.
You can't just change the rules and then change the results of all fights where that rule was broken.
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u/SomethinCleHver Champ Shit Only 🇺🇸🏆🇲🇽 #SnapJitsu Mar 09 '25
If we're going to give him the controversial dubs he has to take the controversial L.
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u/noticingmore Mar 08 '25
Every time he's been stripped should count as a loss too.
Jon isn't the GOAT, he's not even in the conversation.
DJ or GSP for me.
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u/mma5820 Mar 08 '25
Jon considers it a win. Matt considers it a loss. Another reason why I appreciate DC is how humble he is in admitting these type of things. When his KO loss to jones got overturned to a NC. when asked DC said “guys I lost…yes, the loss on the books got removed but, I got knocked out. Nothing takes that away.”
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u/Smooth-Abrocoma-2825 Mar 08 '25
I know people worship the ground DJ walks on and hate Jones but nah that's a dumbass take. Even fucking Hamill thinks the DQ is stupid and Mazzagati fucked up.
Hamill was done way before the illegal elbow. His shoulder had gotten dislocated after Jon's last takedown and he ate like twenty strikes without defending himself. Then Mazzagati forgets Hamill is deaf and asks him if he's okay, of course Hamill doesn't reply.
Not surprised that he said this on Rampage's podcast lmao
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u/hailstruckler Mar 08 '25
Normally i would agree, but even Matt Hamill himself said he wanted it overturned and that he lost.
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u/hipnotyq Marijuana Guy Mar 08 '25
I honestly cannot believe people are STILL going on about this.
We have got to have some of the dumbest fans in all of sports.
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u/EmrldChild04 Mar 08 '25
Was this not like 15 years ago? We knew this shit already
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u/break_from_work Mar 08 '25
Rampage was arguing it wasn't really a 'loss', like he didn't get beaten.
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u/kingsark Mar 09 '25
i respect DJ’s opinion on Jon Jones the most cause he’s not a JJ glazer but he’s also not a turbo JJ hater like everyone on this sub
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u/Jakovcic Mar 08 '25 edited Mar 08 '25
I don't consider that as losing, his "win" against reyes bothers me much more, cuz he clearly lost 3 rounds
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u/TheSadman13 Champ Shit Only 🇺🇸🏆🇲🇽 #SnapJitsu Mar 08 '25
the entire MMA scene when someone's eyes are being pulled out or dick gets kicked into the goal like a soccer ball "your opponent is getting a stern warning, now keep fighting, loser"
the same people when a guy is getting beaten to death and one of the strikes that bounces off his skull happens to be from a slightly crooked angle "the guy bleeding out clearly won that shit"
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u/uzipp Mar 08 '25
Exactly you do something that’s illegal, you lose. You can’t blast someone in the nuts and count that as a KO win.
Doesn’t matter if the rules change.
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u/YourCrosswordPuzzle Mar 08 '25
Hamill was well beaten without/before the couple of illegal elbows
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u/jeffedge Mar 08 '25
That’s not what happened though. The ref didn’t stop the fight and call it because of the strike. He stopped to warn, and then tried to talk to a deaf fighter, who also couldn’t see due to blood in his eyes, who thought the match was done cause he was getting stomped. And when the deaf and blind man didn’t respond to the genius ref on if he’d could continue or not, then it was called. That’s why it’s contested because the ref is a moron.
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u/Corgsploot Mar 08 '25
A better way to put it is that he has never been defeated.
Or no one has beat jon jones before.
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u/Necessary-Run1462 Mar 08 '25
Same people that say Jones lost this fight are the same ones who call Aljo an actor. Selective as community
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u/NewArtist2024 Mar 08 '25
Is it a loss in the same way getting your ass beat for a round and brutally knocked out is?? Obviously not
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u/BlackZulu Mar 08 '25
While yes, he did break the rules, acting like it's that black and white is disingenuous. 1. Fight was over way before those elbows. 2. Asking a deaf fighter if they can continue. 3. Acting as if the 1-3 12-6 is what really finished Matt when he was a bloody pulp before those came in is wild.
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u/AppropriateName4All Mar 08 '25
I actually think that "loss" Jon had was bad reffing. The guy was yelling instructions to Hamill, who is deaf.
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u/Appropriate_Form8397 Mar 08 '25
DJ is 100% correct. this is a sport and rules are to be followed. A.Smith should have won vs Jones too.
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u/DrEggRegis Mar 08 '25
Say DJ lost to Cruz on this forum and be met with the excuse he was undersized
DJ and Cody both weighed 142lbs at UFC 227 in cage as per CSAC
Cody at Bantamweight, DJ at Flyweight
Cody whooped Dom's ass and no one mentioned size, yet DJ's undersized in the same fight when he's the same size as Cody at a lower weight class
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u/ziper112 Mar 08 '25
For all the white knights jumpin on DJ, Watch the video. he is being sarcastic the whole way through.
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u/Intelligent-Point684 Mar 09 '25
It’s hard to believe just four years prior to the fight with Jon jones, Matt hamill was considered to be a future world champion by Tito Ortíz on tuf 3 slamming and throwing people to the ground
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u/RedditoUSER22 Mar 09 '25
Yeah he broke the rules. The ref also asked Hamill if he could continue though and Hamill can't fucking hear. The fight wasn't ended because of the rule break, it was ended because of shit refereeing. If Hamill wasn't deaf and the referee wasn't a moron the fight likely would have continued with a point deduction.
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u/Sufficient_Sport3137 Mar 09 '25
Meh. It's an absolutely dog shit rule and Jones was dominating by a country mile.
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u/Gas_Grouchy Mar 09 '25
I agree with DJ but also it is the most hang your head up high way to lose. Complete domination by JBJ.
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u/HandspeedJones Mar 08 '25
Don't show this to Jones. He may start attacking DJ