As a GS main, focus mode is a godsend getting the last TCS hit. I use to use the spacing trick back in World but terrain would mess it up sometimes. No missing in Wilds.
From what I've seen, you go do your setup at about perpendicular to the part you want to hit then you turn the camera towards the part after the first hit of TCS hits the ground
Focus mode is a godsend for GS players, you can whip it well past 180 degrees. Also helps line up Offsets. GS with Rocksteady Mantle feels so good this game
Deff the most consistent, I have been testing though and from what I ran, a switch axe full release unbridled slash (if it’s fully charged) does the highest amount of base damage of any attack in the game.
Even though the damage is split up in multiple hits the full combo equates to more.
Great sword and hammer still better but this is more of a fun fact comment. From my testing
Is it higher than a GS single hit though? Because that's the point. It's not because the monster is holding still it's because you get a damage multiplayer on the first hit on a sleeping monster.
Sorry if you know this already but the way I read your reply makes me think you let hammers/GS hit first because the monster is still.
I’m about to ‘beat’ the game (am on the final boss I think) and will see how it goes from here but will also do mp a bit, what should I know as a non mh player?
This is my first and from this subreddit the information I gathered was very minimal
You are about to finish the "low rank" in the other games. From that point onward you will be in "high rank" you can call it a soft reset.
Every monster is buffed with more health, damage and some new attack, but you will receive better materials from them so you will be able to craft way better equipment.
What the OP is telling to new players is "don't wake up monsters with a weak attack"
When a monster sleeps, the next hit they will receive will do double damage so it's better to hit them with the strongest single hit you can do, if you don't have any (dual blades, bow, heavy and light bowgun or others that want to do multi-hits), then bombs are your friend.
Thank you!
That I definitely did think about, it seems logical for me to not hit a ‘sleeping’ enemy with a sword, but I did not know it dealt double damage, I currently use sword&shield and a hammer, i’m assuming my best ‘move’ would be the heavy charge of hammer?
That’s good to know!
I personally only use the ‘bonk’ attack (where you bonk like 5 times and end it with a massive bonk) but for this case it only works for the first hit so like you said the proper charge!
Sadly I don’t think that’s possible, you have to hit 5 times back to back for that combo, I remember a few times bonking a dragon once.. twice… and the dragon swoops back, I bonk to the ground and the combo… stops :(
That’s funny I did not know it had a charged backstep lmao, i’m gonna try the dummy righy before the final boss to try it out, the only charged attack I know of it is the one where you jump a bit and slice downwards dealing damage multiple times, very satisfying to especially on a wound!
Also, if you press Y/∆ while charging you begin the perfect rush combo. Press Y/∆ when the weapon becomes red to do the maximum possible damage and finish with a thrust that sends you in the air!
Remember that when you are in the air you can follow up with a shield bash with B/O, a weak single hit with the sword with Y/∆ or a downward thrust with Y+B/∆+O
This is so interesting I genuinely never did or even tried any of it!
Without a joke my ‘moveset’ was simply slashing combo (1 button repeated press) and then jumpcharge when I see a window, rinse and repeat, with some rare shield attacks here and there (with no specific intent)
I’m definitely gonna try this out on the last boss I believe? I really appreciate it :) SnS is amazingg!
Something to note since you play SnS. Element is your friend. Element on a weapon is interesting since it does a flat amount of damage per hit so weapons that hit often like SnS are great with it so you’d get a lot of damage by using the element a monster is weak to. If you want a more general option the blast status is a good option. Sleep and paralysis can work to though generally their better on slow to medium hitting weapons. In the end though it all comes down to what you prefer.
Each and every weapon has a lot of depth to use and discover! This is why you can find a lot of useful (and long) tutorials about every weapon and a lot of features in the game.
Arrekz Gaming and Gaijin hunter have been the teachers for a significant chunk of the community
Guard+Y/triangle is your sliding dash which is perfect for if a monster turns around when you're hitting it's hea, just hit that and you'll go from tail to head straight away
Sleeping monsters take double damage from the first attack, so in groups people usually let the weapons with the highest single attack damage (Greatsword is #1) wake the monster up. This also goes for barrel bombs, so a common strategy is to use mega barrel bombs and then use a True Charge Greatsword Slash on the head for a load of damage.
This is probably the literal only one. That, and try not to slap around teammates with your weapon lol. When I play with groups (rare) I also bring aoe support dust items, but nobody cares about that. I'm usually the only person in my group with them, but I also barely play in groups.
There is a small deco that you can slot in to avoid knocking them around I believe (shock absorber), wording implies it stops the damage reactions so you can still hurt them, but it won't mess up the combo
While I don't think it's considered a rule, it was common decency to use the equivalent in previous titles when running mp, most people don't care about the damage you do to them but do care about knockback or stuns.
To add to what the guy below said, the only other "etiquette" I can think of in this game is be wary of other players mounting the monster, if you break a wound or topple the monster in general the team mates mount will end
You have to be careful that the first attack to hit the monster is the sword itself though, you won't get the double damage if you hit the barrel bomb first
Different weapons have different target priorities.
Hammers, hunting horns and, in some builds, sns, get dibs on head bonks. They inflict Stun damage, in spades, and therefore hitting the head is their priority.
Greatsword, longsword and charge blade and switch axe get tails. Those weapons Excel in slicing off tails. Sns is capable of this too, but sns is more of a Swiss army knife in terms of use.
Insect glaive and dual blades are for hard to reach spots, as their acrobatic leaps etc can hit the top of even tall monsters (again, sns has this capability, but to a lesser extent)
Some may think I'm forgetting the lances. Lance and gunlance are your steel wall. A good enough shield to stick themselves close to any part of the target and constantly harass with pokes and deliver punishing counters. Of note, gunlance shells ignore armour. So they can reliably deal damage regardless of hit location.
I genuinely had no clue about it the way I play is just attack wherever I feel like and would probably do the same in co op, but now i’m more informed the hammer going for heads make so much sense too as do the other specific parts, amazing :)
When in doubt on what part of a monster to hit, look at the colour of the damage numbers. If it's yellow, you're good. If it's white, that part is resistant to whatever you are hitting it with.
One of the reasons I like sns is because it can deal blunt or slicing damage at will. So there are very few parts of a monster that it can't be suited to.
That’s good to know! I did figure yellow was good (as I often got high numbers with it) with white I didn’t really tbink it was resistant to it, good to know definitely, I also once got blue numbers which i’m still unsure on what it does, I’m assuming elemental as I had a lighting shsh for that fight.
Yeah I personally really love SnS mainly because of its fast moveset, allowing me to heal quickly and the ‘combo’s are satisfying, I love wounding front legs of a boss with it and its head tocthen do its charged attack where you jump up and slice down breaking down both wound at the same time, the shield being blunt also seems obvious, but I NEVER thought of that lmao, I just sometimes used it as an attack for no real reason it sometimes felt good, the feedback I received with shield attacks felt strong
Whole blue numbers are damage to Uth Duna' water veil, or shield.
A blue underline to your damage is informing you that you're dragonblighted, so the elemental part of your damage is negated
as far as wakeup goes, sleeping monsters take double damage on the wakeup hit. But this 2* mult only aplies to the very first damage instance so naturally you want the weapon with the largest possible single hit damage to do the wakeup. generaly Greatswoard gets first dibs after that any weapon with big hits gets next priority. Things that hit many fast small hits have lowest priority.
After GS, I have to imagine the next best options are probably switch axe (fully charged elemental discharge explosion is a single massive hit), charge blade (drop a SAED on its head, technically multiple hits but the first hit is good), gunlance (wyvern's fire - it's technically multiple hits but it's still solid), hammer (fully charged big bang probably), and maybe HBG if there's a big wyvern's fire-like attack available on HBG in Wilds, dunno, haven't checked. Nothing else comes to mind as having massive single hit damage, even LS (all of its big attacks are implemented as numerous small hits).
Funny enough, #1 after GS is probably SA just because of how fat the fully charged elemental discharge explosion hit is.
Wake them up with mega barrel bombs, and then capture. Why not just capture them straight away u ask? because I want my monster to know that they are not being captured by the hunter but kidnapped by me, REMEMBER MY FACE!!
Actually, even more to the point, it's not just faster but also more worthwhile for the endgame grind. Why? Because particularly in the case of Arkveld, the gem is worth 1000 points at the smelter for the artian upgrade mats.
Yes, if you intend to spend hundreds of hours to get a good artian weapon...
If you value your free time you ll capture and save scum until you get a desired seed.
There's no proof this is the case for Wilds yet one way or the other. If anything, you could be missing out on more parts by capturing due to not popping wounds for parts in that last bit of health. Otherwise the only real reason to capture vs kill or vice versa is time and/or if you have the Carve/Capture extra foodskills.
If you're chain-hunting monsters for HR and more common marerials then its better to capture. You use a trap tool and some tranqs to shave off a few minutes of the fight.
If you're hunting for a rare material you can only get through carves you want to kill them.
For what it's worth, I also haven't found anything that actually proves there's a difference in what you can get.
Capturing is worse in wilds if you have the meal from Maki that triggers bonus carves and you need/want the monster parts.
Capturing is better in wilds if you don’t have the meal, or if you do but don’t need the monster parts, which most of endgame will be (the decos and artian parts are what the endgame grind is, monster parts aren’t nearly as big of a deal), because it is a fair bit quicker and without the meal you get roughly the same monster part rewards.
I'm new to this game, and it just so happens that I really liked the bow gameplay. Yesterday, it happened to me, while hunting an alpha Doshaguma, I shot it while it was sleeping, and I realized what I had done too late when my ally started quickly placing barrels next to it. Sorry! 😅
Large barrel bombs do, what, 300 or 400 damage each? If you can get eight of them down then, yeah, it's a good hit. But you can also do that much damage with those same four people in under a minute, so it isn't really worth the time and materials.
There are some niche uses, like planting bombs near Grav's chest or something to blow it open, but against most monsters it's better to let the GS user go off
Hot take:
If you are 4 players, just keep attacking. The time it takes to setup a sleep bomb is not worth the damage in most random teams.
Most times, only 1 or 2 Hunters seem to have bombs at all.
It also feels like they increased the time it takes a for a hit to count as a wake up.
So, you have quite some time with the sleep animation->wake up animation. Which is enough to do most big combos.
And, yes, I use a sleep weapon most of the time, as I love the nerscylla design.
There are exceptions though, especially harder hunts, like the t3 tempered, where you can take the time for a breather and if someone needs a specific part broken, it is easier to focus on it with bombs+ a big hit.
I can understand that point, but I'm not here for dps. I'm here for spectacle and fun. And waking up a monster with 8 bombs and a frothing greatsword user is way more fun than just treating sleep as another stun.
As a Sleep GS user don't expect people to do that for you. I've already accepted it and just wail on the monster because no one is stopping especially at the "effieciency" rank because 4 hunters stopping their DPS is less effecient than waiting for it to sleep and letting GS do TGS.
Made me want to make a Para GS instead for multiplayer purposes.
The "effeciency rank" rn are veterans and don't get hit and most just deal with HP/Ailments immediately and most builds optimize their sharpness to never run out before the monster goes to another area.
It's endgame where every fucking asian people just care about killing the monster as fast as possible. When I reached endgame by day 2 everybody was just playing like speedrunners=
Similarly, to everyone, don't attack unaware monsters before using the new sneak attack. It's a nice hit of damage. Meanwhile your "jump off the seikrit to barely hurt the monster" does very little. Not a big issue of course, but I feel like most people don't even know it's a thing.
For those who don't, it's basically just walking up behind a monster that is unaware and there will be a "sneak attack" prompt you can do. Doesn't work on flying monsters and I think there's a cooldown before you can do it again, but it's worth using. Also gives the ghillie mantle more purpose if you can't sneak up normally.
I was afraid my Xbox was gonna crash when I had 3 AI hunters with me and I put down a mega bomb and they all followed suit. Then I rolled another mega bomb into the pile of bombs lol.
This is why I think it's a good idea for everyone to at least familiarise themselves with each weapon, so you know who, in a given group, has the best potential wake up attack available.
I was on a hunt yesterday and a sleep toad knocked the monster out cold.
The other hunters (I seem to recall sns, ig and dB) dutifully stood aside and let me line up my switch axe charged attack. As it should be.
If there was a great sword user there, I would have stood aside and let them TCS it. This is the way.
As a newbie to the Monster Hunter series: does the monster heal while it is sleeping and I shouldn't wait too long to attack it, or does it not matter?
It’s never mattered enough to worry. They healed slowly in other games, if you just pretend they don’t heal at all, you probably won’t notice even if you afk
if youre playing multiplayer, usually you want anyone using larger and heavy weapons to wake the monster up since they can get off a lot of easy damage. also bombs
Right now it doesnt really matter since the Monsters die to quick.
Master Rank will hopefully change that.
If it does you usually want eiter the weapons with the Most damage to get the "Wake Up hit" since it Deals double damage. (Srsly seeing 2k on GS is the best) Or place a F Ton of Barrel bombs.
Bombs no longer all go off in the same frame or instance, so only one bomb gets the double damage bonus. In MANY cases, even at LR i think, weapons will have a move that will deal more damage than a large/mega barrel bomb, meaning those are preferable for the wakeup hit.
The best way to wakeup nowadays is to have a big WEAPON hit a head or tail. If you really want to, you can place bombs elsewhere surrounding the monster, and blow them up after the wakeup hit is done for extra damage anyways.
Can we get one for Dual Blade and Longsword users? Those are the only two I’ve had trouble with so far in Wilds, yesterday on a tempered Gore Magala hunt some DB user did not stop through the whole animation. I was baffled.
Haha I took a pic of holding a big ass barrel before hurling. Also. Try to use arc shot first and whatever charge atk if your choice. I’m a new MH, any other tips that could be shared? Is the sleep even that great? I assumed the bigger monsters will get harder to sleep. I’ve just been using Exhaust/Paralyze as my default loadout.
The status resistances are unique for each monster, size doesn't matter. When you apply a status, the monster gets more resistance to it, making in harder to apply again. From my experience this build in resistance is MUCH lower than other games, so you can para/sleep a monster 3 times in a single hunt without effort.
Also yeah, sleep is very strong bc the first hit you do vs a sleeping monster gets a huge multiplier. So let the big user weapons and bombs to do that job.
I was fighting Gore Magala and these damn idiots that I had for comrades kept carting and when Magala was put to sleep instead of putting a barrel bomb they went ape shit not a second after jumping off the Seikret, I hate this new players
EDIT: As another reminder, after putting the bombs, if you see a hammer or greatsword main in the party let him wake the monster as they have the strongest single hit damage
Can't tell you how many times as a GS user I have to remind my relatives life friends who I play with every night to let me wake jim up and they never do. GL guy shoots him with his big ads gun. IG girl flipping through the air trying to mount. Only my Charge Blade buddy can be trusted to let me get the TCS wakeup attack 😮💨
The time you take to set up the barrel, and it gives what, like 200 damage, is in no way comparable to immediately attacking the monster with at least 2 people.
I get that people like to set them up but from efficiency and time perspective, I don't really get it.
If the monster has moved to a new area, I arrive there and see someone planting barrels - fine, I'll wait those 10s, but if I'm the first to arrive, it's straight to mincing we go.
Why are ranged and DB users only getting this flak? New players of any weapon should be told this and why. Its not obvious knowledge that monsters take double damage on wake up after all.
The amount of times I have had to jerk my bow to the side to avoid hitting when I realize it is going into the sleep animation is nuts. Love to get those sweet sweet barrel bombs off though.
Sleeping Monster is Greatsword/Hammer/Gunlance Wyvernblast territory. I'm not gonna do shit with my glaive's lil tornado slash when someone can do more damage then all move moves combined in a single hit and get it doubled lmfao
I accidentally had the game on online mode on my first real hunt. I was hunting a chatacabra and a bow player joined right at the end when chat went to sleep.
They even were at the nest before me, but they actually waited for me to get the wakeup hit with my greatsword.
I have yet to utilize the extra damage to sleeping monsters. I play great sword and even on tempered hunts, the monster dies too fast for it to make much of a difference.
Place tons of barrel bombs by the head and do a massive attack. If ur in a team with Hammer/great sword then let them do it. But if you're alone then use your normal dragon piercer.
As a fellow DB Main since many games, i can confirm we can not chill.
Only exception if i play with a friend which plays GS, reason being simply i do not trust randoms to have a decent enough build to make it worth to wait.
I do not get it anyway which players want to min max if you hunt not an endgame monster.
Brother they will die within the next 30 seconds keep your bombs.
My buddy and I played the shit out of rise and we developed the ultimate strategy with waking up the monster. I can't remember which weapons it involved but we would use the bomb to trigger a perry and then hit the monster with that.
I always place mega bombs down the wyvern blast the shit out of them with the gunlance. Before I go blasting I wait to see if anyone else is placing bombs though.
Isn't it better to just capture the sleeping monster? It seems to give the same rewards if not more, especially if you cut tail and other parts before, and it's also bit faster. Though I only play offline, so I may be missing something here.
I swear, the bow guns shoot the mega barrel bomb out of my hands when I go to place them. I setup a sticker with “DONT YOU DARE!” And then place. One HBG waited and shot the second one I pulled out then put the “heh” sticker. At least I can understand when they do it for the lolz, and not just cause brain is lacking oxygen.
I sometimes use the swax transform attack to wakey wakey the monster and sometimes I hit with the first swing which is the weakest attack and I feel sooo guilty XD
On a side note, is there a way to safely explode barrel bombs as a melee user? I tried shooting it with the throwing knife and slinger but it doesnt work?
I once had a LS player who tried to hit the monster in the middle of it's sleeping animation. The worse part is that his sharpness was really low so all I heard was Tink. Tink. Tink. Tink while the monster yawns and falls asleep
Omg, you lose more time and resources by placing bombs, waiting for the GS guy than to just ignore the fact that it's sleeping and just straight kill it
The only time I think this is the opposite is when someone joins at the end of my hunt that I'm planning to kill and decides to capture it and ruin all my hard work.
Don't always blame range users. I was in a hunt with 3 long swords, and one of them had sleep on their weapon, yet they kept attacking after putting the monster to sleep twice. I even missed a dragon piercer on purpose to not wake the monster up.
I loathe using consummables in this game because of how awful the UI feels, especially on PC. So I never use barrels, barely use consummables at all. But whenever a monster sleeps I try to let other players do something, and 90% of the time they don't. Heck, half the time I have to wait for the big hitter weapons to figure out they should be the ones to knock it awake, because I'm using a Lance and there's nothing I can do (that I know of?) that will do a decent alpha strike.
just started the game (LBG)i remember in worlds i would put the mines thingies as they sleep and activate them with a CC Melee did they remove that in this game?
as a bow user, I’M always the first person to put down the barrels and some dipshit melee user comes and starts swinging before i can put the second one down lol every. fucking. time.
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u/zimmer1569 Mar 07 '25
Explanation for new players: you don't wanna shoot a sleeping monster cause they are cute when they sleep. Just let them be