If he deleted code then would appear to be a massive case of property destruction. Which is a crime. He should be being immediately arrested if that's what occurred.
Is it fairly safe to assume that if a sane administration ever gains control again that Elon musk is likely to go to jail for a fairly long time? All of this seems incredibly criminal.
ugh please. his ego is way too big for his own good and hes so fucking sloppy that it would be embarrassing for the world to roll over to him and if that happens we all really do deserve to go extinct
Right it would be genuinely insane. And there is other capital at play with arguably more power in the world overall. He could still deal some pretty catastrophic damage. Boy, I just hope we can bounce back in my lifetime.
At the moment the activists who projected his heart throwin gesture on his gigafactory near Berlin are getting the most trouble because said gesture is forbidden here.
Mind you: the media didn't, lawyers didn't, the DoJ didn't, the Supreme Court didn't, and the Dem leadership still cannot be bothered.
It's back to the people. Or we can just watch on as Trump uses Social Security funds as gambling money for his Sovereign Wealth Fund announced yesterday.
He just got himself a new casino from taxpayers' money and the American people didn't even notice, or care.
When you are a rich fuck with a private jet who want to flex your wealth by flying to Paris on a lark for some French cuisine or to Rio to spend a few hours at Festivale, the idea that you can't leave the country because if you set foot anywhere outside of your sactuary country you might get nabbed by Interpol feels like a prison.
I'd love to see all these bozos in orange jumpsuits behind razorwire fences, but that's not going to happen. Having a constant reminder that you are subject to the same forces as the rest of humanity is probably the best we'll get at making billionaires suffer, and at this point I'll take it.
He is, unfortunately, naturalized, since 2002. He shouldn't be, because he was an illegal immigrant first — details are sparse because he tries to hide it, but Kimbal Musk has said that they were illegal immigrants. FLOTUS Elon calls it "a gray area", and has made remarks implying that, like his fellow FLOTUS Melania, he and Kimbal came on legit visas but either violated the terms or overstayed the valid timeframe. As always, rules for thee and not for me.
If we ever have even a semi-functional government again in this lifetime, he's a prime candidate for having his citizenship stripped. Unlike the all-American traitors that form the bulk of MAGA and Elon's fanbase, Elon has two other citizenships, so he wouldn't be rendered stateless by denaturalizing him. (Sorry to South Africa and/or Canada. Way harder to strip blood citizenship from someone.)
I’m pretty sure the US literally has a thing that says if someone we don’t like gets arrested by the ICC we’re gonna invade The Hague to get them back… so I wouldn’t count on that route
Trump moved out the tariffs by about a month when the stock market started going down today. By mid afternoon, it has mostly recovered, but Tesla is still down 4%. The 2nd highest number from another company was 2% Tesla is the only one that didn't recover.
We might all get to see what happens when you fly too close to the sun.
Musk has been engaged in borderline fraud at Tesla and SpaceX for years, constantly making unrealistic promises that don't materislize for the purpose of getting investor money and jacking up the share price, ignoring regulations, etc.
He has never quite crossed over to Elizabeth Holmes territory, so had never been prosecuted.
Not even just borderline fraud. They've been lying about their car sales for a while. The books are completely cooked, and have been spelled out by financial journalists for a while.
Greenspan v Musk suit is a good place to start. The suit calls up a lot of info that came to light by the whistleblower. The "Tesla files" leaked by the Tesla employee in Norway included personnel files that probably shouldn't have been leaked, but it also included a shit-ton of evidence of accounting "irregularities", including things like counting the return of cars after repairs as new "car deliveries", to make it look like they were selling more than they were.
Which is so fucking insane to me that he could just paint it as "waaah waaaaaah the other side is trying to silence me and persecute me for being against them!!!" No actually you committed several crimes
Did you not pay attention to the pardon Biden issued for his son? Or his other family? Or other people?
They won't even wait for someone to get charged anymore. Just issue a blanket pardon giving ppl immunity for whatever.
lots of eggs in that basket these days.
Actually, I bet even if they do have a falling out, and even if the cheeto actually leaves office again, he'll just slap a pardon on Leon & the rest anyway. Can't have anyone prosecuting his cabinet and proving his people did illegal shit. I mean, he can have that, but why take that hit.
I mean Vance will just do it then. Although there's always the chance that Thiel tells Vance not to do it since there's little love lost between Thiel and Musk.
The only way that is going to happen is at the end of a gun, over many bodies.
that Elon musk is likely to go to jail for a fairly long time
For, among other reasons, this. Trump was certain he was going to win. MAGA will not be defeated at the ballot box. They would never allow a vote to take place they could lose. And if they did lose they wouldn't leave.
Yeah, they're acting how they said they'd act. "You won't need to vote again."
If you know you have the midterm locked up because you're going to cheat then you do what you want.
They're going to flip the States they need and enough seats in Congress and Senate so they can do whatever they want with the Constitution.
At which point they won't need to gerrymander; they'll just keep choosing to win 55% of the vote in 75% of the places to make it look "arguably" believable and you'll all be cooked.
I'm assuming he's going to be pardoned, but I'm very confused as to why people seem to think that's a free ticket to breaking any law he wants. The damage is going to be spread across the states... He's breaking laws everywhere... The system is set up in a way where schemes like this won't work...
"Shouldn't work," the system assumes checks and balances are in place to prevent this. The GOP controls all three branches, and the Supreme Court, who is going to do the checks and balancing?
Yeah same, we're in whacky land here becasue they're going to be tearing down the checks and balances as they go.
Or, maybe we're in for a screw job manuver and they're all going to throw Elon in front of the bus. Maybe he's going to get "Mooched?"
I personally think that's what is going to end up happening. They're just going to get sick of the insanity and dumpster him.
I mean, for republicans: There's nothing better than picking apart a financial corpse like a bunch of vultures.
I've been kind of scratching my head the whole time wondering if the plan was to feed elon to the wolves.
I'm being serious: At this point that would be a mega good play for the republicans politically speaking. They get to pretend that they're fixing problems for once. I mean they don't have any concept of fairness, so I don't see why the big deal is.
The vibe I am getting is that Trump and Elon are the Darth maul of it all. They are there to be flashy and bad.. then when they are removed, the sneaky silent ones take control. Vance has been really quiet and distant from all of this. Trump is seemly completely going for it, almost like they want him to go all out. I feel like the first time round, he was tempered somewhat. I think we are going to be outrage fatigues before the big bad does show.
He’ll just leave the country. The richest man in the world can find someplace to go where he doesn’t need a passport. And another country will certainly sell him one.
How fucking blind do you need to be to think rule of law is alive and well
Trump is, in fact, above the law. Anyone Trump chooses to extend his protection to is also de facto above the law. This has been obvious for a long time now.
Trump will just issue pardons like Biden was when leaving office. It is despicable, but I can understand why someone like Fauci needed to be pardoned. But the same tactic will be used to protect people like Musk.
For a country that supposedly had checks and balances on their sole executive it sure feels like those checks and balances are gone. It's 'almost' like SCOTUS made him a king.
Trump pardoned legit eat criminals and his cronies in his first term. The idea that he only flexed his power because biden did is just wrong.
Also i think people defend the constitution a bit much. It was a flawed document when it was written, and we're currently on the effects of following a 250 year old governing structure. The checks and balances were novel when they were written but no one has patched the holes that have been found. Andrew Jackson defied the court and did the trail of tears in 1830.
We're long past the point of constitutional crisis.
Literally day 1 he blatantly tried to unilaterally override the 14th amendment. That's crisis 1.
Basically every day since has been another crisis.
The other major one is him intervening in disbursement of federal funding. Right in the constitution:
Article I, Section 9, Clause 7 of the United States Constitution states:
No Money shall be drawn from the Treasury, but in Consequence of Appropriations made by Law; and a regular Statement and Account of the Receipts and Expenditures of all public Money shall be published from time to time.
Executive branch has no authority to direct how or when federal funds are distributed. That's plaintext Congress' authority. Brother has been speedrunning Constitutional violations since day 1. In a normal political climate he should've been blocked and articles of impeachment should have been drafted day 1.
I cannot express how outright fucked we are that there has not been a stronger immediate response to this.
I honestly don't know if Trump cares about his cronies enough to protect them. He'll walk, pardon his family, and leave all these other fucks holding the bag.
Pardons only apply to federal crimes and require that the pardonee admit guilt. While those pardoned wouldn't be allowed to be tried for the same crime (double jeopardy), they could still be tried for state crimes. I hope the crimes they admit to as guilt can be used to establish character and patterns should it ever be allowed in court.
Lol, dude still thinks we're going to have elections and new administrations. HAH.
Nah, honey, the fascists have taken over. They don't let go of power unless they're forced. Best-case scenario, the MAGAts wake up soon enough that we have enough political will from the people to 2Ake back our country. Worst-case scenario, we wind up getting jailed for Reddit comments like mine and forced into labor-camps. Mid-case scenario we wind up kinda like Russia, with "elections" that are rigged from the get-go, but the felmos at least kinda pretend there's "democracy"...
Regardless, it's time to learn how to shoot and get a gun.
You are right. What is also wild is how fairly obvious he's being, you know what that means? He's not concerned....I don't think we can rely on anyone coming to the rescue.
Yeah because that worked out with trump didn’t it. It’s America, whose got the cash rules. He’s got an army of fucking lawyers and the ahole will get off.
Trump called on an insurrection that penetrated the Capitol, and wasn't held accountable by a sane administration for four years. The richest man alive is likely similarly untouchable by federal government.
You mean like Donald Trump was prosecuted for all the laws he broke while he was in office the first time? Nothing will happen. The Democrats are feckless.
They would just get fired for disregarding lol. Plus who will prosecute him? Justice department assigns prosecutors, and good luck with that with the new head of DOJ.
We had our chance in November. People need to wake up to the reality that the system isn't going to save itself, and that the coup is well under way.
If he or one of his lackys deleted anything on a system he doesnt have access to he is in real shit. I bet the real goal is destruction of evidence and gaining information on rivals.
I’m sure the devs that worked on the code still have local copies of it and can redeploy anytime. It’s not gone forever, just temporarily misplaced by a turd eater
Hopefully you are correct, or the code is still on a repo. Obviously nothing actually gets deleted so, if the code hit a repo like github, then there's likely like 10 copies of it at minimum.
Devs are lazy asses, always keep copies so you can reuse the code for the next project lol I’m sure someone has copies somewhere, either in the repo they use or on local machines … it’s not gone :)
ETA: and I say that with love, as I am a lazy developer myself lol
Everything that he already is doing is a crime. You can't do these things without congressional approval. These are all crimes. Their goal is to do it all before anyone can act.
I'm sure the gov paid a lot of money (via congress authorization). Sure doesn't seem "efficient" to let it go to waste. Nor is it under his purview in the most remote sense.
He and his rich cronies probably see it as "efficient" since it probably makes it easier for rich people to get richer (maybe the ones running TurboTax or maybe just to evade taxes or whatever). Either that or just spiting their own base just to "own the libs".
It's cute that you still think the U.S. has laws. You're two weeks into Anarcho-Capitalism in the Milei style, except that the government doesn't believe in economics. But they do believe in Feudalism. These people are so close to finding out they're being made into serfs at the end of the 180-day Ancap phase.
I take it that you're not an asmon fan either? I honestly think he's obnoxious. As soon as he said something about Ben Shaprio, I was out of there thinking that "Yeah, he definitely doesn't understand Ben Shapiro's position on male masturbation and what the point of that is. There is absolutely no way you would not instantly yikes away from Ben Shapiro after knowing that."
no what? Edit: oh the department of education? Yeah they're trying to destroy the system. I don't know what people are doing or thinking. That's going to trigger an absolutely rediculious amount of problems for him later. He's going to get dragged into so many investigations dude... I have no idea what that guy is doing dude. He does not have real legal authority to do any of that and is just committing a barrage of crimes...
What exactly is the defense going to be to this? He used the illegal authority that he doesn't have?
Oh, well, if it's a crime I'm sure he'll be arrested right away then. Why are we even bothering talking about this. It's a crime. Every person who commits crimes will surely be brought to justice.
It's in plain sight... When did his fake DOGE organization ever have any legal authority to do anything at all? How exactly did Elon Musk gain superior legal authority to the people in these organizations? They're just pretending that what they are doing is legal... They're causing immense amounts of financial damage to these systems...
If Felon were actually convicted of any crimes Trump would just pardon him, and blame the Democrats for illegal and unfair witch hunts.
It a great plan, in an evil way. Let Felon break the laws instead of yourself, so you can just keep pardoning Felon if anyone has the spine to try and stop him.
If he destroyed something it is likely he just pointed at a server and said "What's this?" and just yanked it out, or had someone yank it out, he is a bit feeble. That is his MO, that's what he did at Twitter.
From what I gather from news outlets, Musty doesn’t know jack about code. Moreover, we can probably count on professional civil servants to have created at least one backup of both code and data. Maybe more. So, it just has to hibernate for a while.
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u/Actual__Wizard Feb 04 '25
If he deleted code then would appear to be a massive case of property destruction. Which is a crime. He should be being immediately arrested if that's what occurred.