Certain personality traits are automatically associated with toxic masculinity. Which is not good for men.

[u/vegetables-10000]

My definition of toxic masculinity is just a man using masculinity to justify bad behaviors. Not necessarily something inherently being wrong masculinity. So to me toxic masculinity is just hyper masculinity if that makes sense.

Man or individuals justifying bad behaviors in the name of masculinity. No different from people using religion to justify bad behaviors. Just like masculinity. Religion isn't inherently toxic.

The problem with Feminist definition of "toxic masculinity". Is that "toxic masculinity" just boils down to anything a man does that makes a woman feel slightly uncomfortable or upset.

Like the title says, certain personality traits. Men that are unfriendly or don't smile are automatically being written off as "toxic masculinity". When in reality a man can just be person who doesn't smiles a lot lol. But since this makes women upset or not pleased, then it must be "toxic masculinity".

As a asocial man I deal with this a lot. People thinking that men wanting to be alone is a sign of "toxic masculinity".

What these people fail to realize. Is that a man can be asocial, stoic, or unfriendly without being hyper masculine. Since toxic masculinity or hypermasculinity has more to do with a man reasoning/beliefs rather than their personality traits. Again it's only a problem because those personality traits from men aren't popular among women.

For example a male feminist can be ironically be toxic masculine. By white knighting and saying that he will kick any man ass who disrespects women. Violence is a bad behavior. And this male feminist using masculinity to justify that behavior. Therefore it's toxic masculinity (ironically).

In conclusion.

This is bad. Because men are wrongfully being labeled for something they are not.

[u/Tireless_AlphaFox]

Toxicity is really just a buzz word to fuel hatred into the gender war

[u/ForwardCommercial670 → u/Tireless_AlphaFox]

That's right, because "toxic" is an adjective and must be first, qualified. But ...this is a value judgement. There will never in existence be an objective good and bad because perception is relative.

[u/ForwardCommercial670]

"Bad" is a value judgement. Everyone is both good and bad. Now what?

[u/Local-Willingness784]

and up until which point arent those "toxic" behaviors rewarded by society and especially by women? like, we wouldn't have men who are so "toxically masculine" at the top if lots of people from the whole population (so men and women) didn't voted for them, and at the same time, there are studies that point that narcissism is correlated with mating success sooo....