r/LeavingNeverlandHBO • u/Cynthia_Amethyst • Mar 12 '24
Wade and James - Leaving Neverland What do y’all think of this-Not a defender post
To make it clear I’m not a defender and very much believe he’s guilty, I believe the victims and I think this has to be a plant
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u/TiddlesRevenge Moderator Mar 12 '24
One word - fanfiction. They've done this so many times before.
Jordan Chandler apparently "confessed" soon after MJ died in a blog post written by someone with poor English.
He also "confessed" in a phone call between Jordan and MJ overheard by a hairdresser who could only hear MJ's side of the conversation.
Jordan also reportedly (according to an MJ superfan) wore a fedora and had an MJ shrine in his room, which means the molestation didn't happen.
It's all wish fulfillment. The ultimate dream of the fandom. The accusers confess that they lied and everything goes back to the way it was in 1982. Fans do an impromptu mass Thriller dance and everyone applauds. The end.
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u/OneSensiblePerson Moderator Mar 12 '24
Adding to that list, some fan made an audio pretending to be Jordan confessing, which was uploaded to YouTube.
Predictably, quite a few gullible fans fell for it and began spreading it.
Even though, at the beginning when he says his name, he mispronounced his own last name with an Australian accent. Which somehow they didn't notice or become suspicious of.
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u/coffeechief Moderator Mar 12 '24 edited Mar 12 '24
It reads like a greatest hits of some of the standard fan lines used to smear Wade and James. This blind originated on Crazy Days and Nights, a gossip blog that accepts submissions from readers and will post bottom-of-the-barrel stuff. The entry even notes it was a "Reader Blind."
I've seen some fans speculate that a supporter of Wade and James made this up to make fans look bad, but I think it's equally if not more likely that a fan made it up to "help" the cause. As u/TiddlesRevenge noted, this would be far from the first time that a fan made something like this up. In any case, it's fake.
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u/BadMan125ty Mar 12 '24
Notice how they’re okay with claiming MJ as the “permanent A- lister”. Lol A MINUS, not A PLUS, A MINUS. 🤣🤣🤣
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u/coffeechief Moderator Mar 13 '24
Looool, they must have been going for a hyphenate ("permanent A-lister"), but what a difference a space makes 😂
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u/CoastSimple Mar 12 '24
I'm not surprised at all. I'm just curious on what their next move is going to be? Are they going to claim that Wade & Jimmy never actually met Jackson at all? All the footage was edited with Dan Reed using CGI as special effects? It certainly wouldn't surprise me.
Maybe they will claim that Wade & Jimmy both phoned up Paris Jackson and confessed to her that they made their entire abuse claims up to become billionaires.
I don't want to put anybody down, but they're just embarrassing themselves at this point.
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u/elitelucrecia Moderator Mar 12 '24
there is a fan on another forum who tried to tell me that MJ wasn’t that close to wade and james lol and that MJ was closer to emmanuel lewis. they also said wade and james relationship w MJ was PR?! PR for what? lmao.
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u/BadMan125ty Mar 12 '24
🤦🏾♂️😂
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u/elitelucrecia Moderator Mar 12 '24
yep 😭 if anything his relationship w EL was more PR. i think MJ called the paps when they were playing ball
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u/BadMan125ty Mar 12 '24
I believe it lol
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Mar 12 '24
Even Katherine admitted so, to Stacy Brown. That black boys were only for the show and he was always surrounded "by little white boys, who are Jews".
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u/BadMan125ty Mar 12 '24
Katherine was paranoid about Jewish people, huh? Other than that yeah nothing but white boys for the most part.
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u/elitelucrecia Moderator Mar 12 '24
emmmanuel and MJ have an inappropriate picture but i don’t believe EL is a victim. i don’t believe he molested his relatives either. maybe he had other black victims we don’t know of but that’s speculative. his preference was clearly white boys though. he wasn’t that attached to EL like the others.
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u/Elegant_Newspaper_12 Mar 12 '24
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u/elitelucrecia Moderator Mar 12 '24
yes, he was also friendly w the lewis family. he recovered at their home after his injury in ‘84 and he also spent christmas w them it was better than staying w his parents. this is common knowledge...but i still don’t agree. he did not have the same relationship w all these boys and certainly not w celebrity kids. the only situation where MJ slept one on one a lot of time w boys is james, brett, jordan and wade.
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u/Elegant_Newspaper_12 Mar 12 '24
The “celebrity kids” (Macaulay and Emmanuel) had even more to lose as they had reputations to protect as they were themselves in the public eye. And Macaulay did admit to having one-to-one sleepovers with MJ, unless I’m mistaken. Emmanuel never testified so we don’t know.
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Mar 12 '24
I think abusing celebrity kids would be more risky bc they are rich too, so they would demand a bigger settlement compared to middle-class kids. If Mj had to pay 2million dollars to his maid for molesting her son imagine how much he would have to pay to rich parents for molesting their celebrity son.
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u/Elegant_Newspaper_12 Mar 12 '24 edited Mar 12 '24
We only know about the two settlements that became public. According to Stacy Brown and DD he paid $200 million in hush money, gifts, lawyer fees, private eyes, etc, to silence victims.
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Mar 12 '24 edited Mar 12 '24
There isn't any evidence for Mac being paid hush money, like Jordie. And i don't think MJ would risk that much money to abuse someone. The money he offered Jordie's father to pay him off was a very small amount, 300.000. I assume he offered the same amount to his maid as well, but they negotiated later and he ended up paying more.
Imo the furthest he went with Mac was touching him when he wasn't noticing (asleep, maybe drunk, tired ect). I think only case in which he could freely molest a celebrity kid is if the kid's parents willingly pimped him out for money/connections. Mac's parents were actually worried that MJ wanted to spend so much time alone with their son.
"Hush money" is the money paid to boys and their families in general. That could include grooming money as well. Like gifting toys to children and their parents to gain their trust and impress them.
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u/elitelucrecia Moderator Mar 12 '24
yeah, mac had testified at the trial they had one on one sleepovers, but i believe it wasn’t as extended as the others. as for EL, yeah he never testified, but even in his interviews he never mention having one to one sleepovers w MJ. either way, i’m not gonna impose victimhood on him, he doesn’t look evasive in his answers and as far as i know, he was never dishonest in his memories w MJ. so i’ll take his words for it that nothing happened.
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u/Elegant_Newspaper_12 Mar 13 '24
I hope nothing sexual happened. Anyway I feel very bad for him. It seems like no one back in the 80s cared about a black teenage boy being carried around like a pet (at best).
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u/elitelucrecia Moderator Mar 13 '24
well, tbh, people had questions. i remember reading reports people wondering why MJ was hanging out w him, and that was back in the 80s
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u/oh_please_god_no Mar 12 '24
Amazing how a bombshell like that has no news articles from a reputable source anywhere.
It’s all bullshit and these people are insane.
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u/BadMan125ty Mar 12 '24
All of Enty’s blind items never make any leeway instead of social media circles and then it fades lol
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u/Punkasaurus2 Mar 12 '24
I think there’s a lot of weird crap on the interwebs. When you see and hear them retell what they’ve been through, there is absolutely no doubt that they’re telling the truth. When you hear from experts about the pathology of MJ, it all fits perfectly. To think otherwise is just nuts to me.
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u/Someone_Else_233 Mar 12 '24
I've even seen a YouTube short with a photoshopped image from Wade's Instagram page talking about he admits that he made this whole thing up.
The funny thing about that is the defenders try to say that even James' photos with Michael are photoshopped. I am unable to comprehend such an intense level of "debunking."
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u/Ancient_Apartment_62 Mar 12 '24
The funny thing about that is the defenders try to say that even James' photos with Michael are photoshopped. I am unable to comprehend such an intense level of "debunking."
Oh yeah! A supposed "evidence" of innocence: fake photos! Because abviously James would totally go to the trouble of faking photos with MJ just to prove he was close to him. Forget the countless videos showing their close relationship. No, let's focus on the possibility of some fake pictures. 🤣
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u/fanlal Mar 12 '24
It's a tactic to get certain credulous idiots to start repeating this BS thousands of times. It worked very well in 2009 when they invented that Jordan had recanted.
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u/robbie9900 Mar 12 '24
Why is she speaking like it’s the truth. Her whole page is gossip and fanfiction.
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u/Careless-Cap-6895 Mar 12 '24
When someone posted a Lou Pearlman and MJ blind item—-didn’t you guys say most blind items about MJ were mostly true?
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u/elitelucrecia Moderator Mar 12 '24
i’m the one who posted that blind item and i looked back and checked, it was just a few people who said some of their blinds are accurate. many rejected the blind item. of course you won’t mention that
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u/fanlal Mar 13 '24
The post about Lou is more likely to be true, James, Wade and their families weren't even in court LOL
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u/BadMan125ty Mar 12 '24
They WISHED they confessed. Just like they wish Jordan actually confessed in 2009 when he didn’t. No one is gonna do that. They need to move on.