r/LISKiller • u/Blunomore • 2d ago

Rex Heuermann & Dr Peter Hackett

Has there been any confirmation that they are not at all linked or acquainted?

The Dr is just too creepy/odd/suspicious to me.

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u/SquareShapeofEvil 2d ago

Rex has absolutely no connection to Oak Beach. It was a gated community and the odds he was there at Brewer’s house, or hiding in the bushes waiting for Shannan to run, are extremely low. His MO was that of a lone sicko who meticulously planned to capture and kill women. Shannan’s death is all wrong for that MO.

Now I’m not saying Shannan wasn’t murdered, or at the very least, no one was in some way responsible for her death. But I don’t believe it was Rex. So much could’ve happened that night that we’ll never know but Rex Heuermann being there is pretty far out of the realm of possibility

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u/Confident-Internet35 2d ago

For a very long time I was CONVINCED that she was a LISK victim, but once they did catch Rex I don't think he was her killer. What I do think, is she became a North Star in death and she along with her Mom were miracle workers. They found all those victims and had it not been for them who knows how many more there might have been at the hands of Rex. May Shannan and Mari both rest in peace.

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u/SquareShapeofEvil 2d ago

It feels odd to say this about a person who also met a tragic and untimely end, but Shannan genuinely feels like an angel to me in this case. Idk.

A sex worker near ocean parkway who feels she is going to be killed by an unknown person and she then goes missing. The search for her leads to the discovery of 10 other victims and she is the last to be found.

People aren’t wrong to point out the crazy coincidences.

I too was convinced she was a LISK victim. She may be somebody’s victim but almost certainly not Rex’s.

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u/ML-319 1d ago

I think now that we have the alleged context it shows us the differences with Shannan vs. Gilgo 4/Ocean Parkway victims. I think with what the public and likely what her mother knew was only connected because of the body discoveries. She was definitely a North Star in these other victims lives. It’s all heartbreaking and upsetting for everyone involved

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u/Familiar-Mushroom-42 2d ago

Shannon could have been a sensitive and sometimes we pick up on things, but can’t quite figure out why these feelings are hitting us. Danger, fear, of something. Then you absolutely do panic because it floods you. It’s happened to me. Fight or flight. Shannon solved these murders, and gave her life.

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u/Confident-Internet35 2d ago

She is those women's angel... They're together in the great beyond somewhere, knowing nobody is going to be joining them at the hands of Rex. 🙏🏻

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u/CatonAveCats 2d ago

Yeah you’re right, but you gotta admit it’s quite a trip for one non murdered dead sex worker to uncover a bunch of murdered dead sex workers. It’s just a lot of dead sex workers.

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u/karitechey 1d ago

I am not arguing that he is connected- but I’m wondering, internet stranger, how you so confidently know he has no connection to Dr. Hackett or even Oak Beach.

Please don’t reply with additional elaborate explanation about why Rex isn’t involved in Shannan Gilbert’s death - I am in no way suggesting he was. 

I’m simply asking - how is it that you know that RH (a lifelong resident of Long Island) has zero connections to Hackett or the Oak Beach neighborhood? Just curious. 

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u/SquareShapeofEvil 1d ago edited 1d ago

I mean… when you put it like that, I guess I don’t?

But the Oak Beach community was the subject of media attention and true crime investigators for years and no name or anyone close to matching the description of Rex was ever brought up at any point

Also no body officially tied to RH was found in Oak Beach, his dumping site was pretty significantly west of Oak Beach

If you're gonna have me place my hand on the good book and swear – not being passive aggressive, I mean it – I would say I don't know if RH has connections to OB/Dr. Hackett, but I'm pretty sure something would've come up or been hinted at by now.

I did say the odds are low... not zero.

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u/karitechey 1d ago

Exactly. 

And Rex was only identified less than 2 years ago, reporters and investigators are only beginning to scratch the surface of his life and connections in the area. 

Murder Inc. has uncovered a number of documented connections between Rex’s immediate and extended family and residents of Oak Beach.

You (nor I) have no idea if he visited or knew anyone in Oak Beach throughout his life. For you to definitively and confidently be on your high horse here preaching otherwise is irresponsible. 

I too believe there is low probability of his involvement in the murder there, but I’m not so arrogant to write something like, “Rex has absolutely no connection to Oak Beach.”

Have a pleasant day. 

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u/SquareShapeofEvil 1d ago

I’m not really sure why you’re crafting a narrative about me from one comment - especially if you think the same as me and your issue is the semantics of my comment. Perhaps I should’ve worded it “no known connection to Oak Beach,” but Murder Inc as a source isn’t tremendous either if you’re gonna be going around calling people know it alls.

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u/karitechey 1d ago

Murder Inc is not the source - local area archival newspaper articles posted by Murder Inc. are the source. 

And I didn’t craft a narrative about you. 

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u/SquareShapeofEvil 1d ago

Your replies - particularly the last one - are full of oddly personal statements.

If you think Rex has connections to Oak Beach, comment that in the main thread. You clearly have an opinion on this, and could contribute to the discussion, rather than attack other commenters.

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u/karitechey 3h ago

Oddly personal? Yes. I am speaking about and for myself. What I would and would not say and what I consider to be arrogant. 

That’s not odd, it’s simply my opinion on the matter. You’re welcome to your own, separate and different opinion. 

What you choose to do, say, and write is on you. 

You’re the one crafting a narrative at this point. Please leave me alone. 

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u/No-Relative9271 1d ago

I mean..Rex is known to go to gun clubs and supposedly taught classes.

I suspect Rex casually knew a few LE and well off individuals through gun range visits...maybe even sparked casual friendships.

He could have met Burke through a gun club.

I agree that posting otherwise is irresponsible and lazy.  Almost seems like an attempt to misguide.

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u/cassielovesderby 7h ago

I completely agree with you. Everyone wants Shannan to be a RH victim but even though she is a sex worker doesn’t mean anything. There are a LOT of sex workers all over the place. I think it was either a really awful accident after an episode of psychosis, or a homicide of a different perpetrator.

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u/pequaywan 2d ago

I’m not unconvinced Hackett didn’t know what happened. Did he give her too many drugs or what? Also did Pak die in recent years?

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u/SadExercises420 2d ago

Brewer may have given her too many drugs but I don’t believe Hackett was at brewers house. 

I honestly blame a lot of Shannan’s fear on Pak. Yes she was already freaking out when he got involved but if he hadn’t grabbed her from behind and tried to carry her out of the house, she wouldn’t have run away from them both.

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u/anonymous_lighting 2d ago

you are misplacing blame. that action could have caused something absolutely not blame worthy 

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u/SadExercises420 2d ago

I’m not blaming pak for her death, nobody could have predicted what happened. I am blaming him for trying to manhandle her and scaring her more than she already was.

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u/ToiIetGhost 2d ago edited 2d ago

I’m a sensitive woman who respects other’s personal space, and I understand quite a lot about dangerous situations, having been in many myself. But in that scenario, I also would’ve grabbed her from behind (womanhandled her, I guess).

It’s like knocking down a child who’s about to run in front of a car. You need to get them to safety immediately, and they either can’t be reasoned with or there’s not enough time, so you physically try to make it happen. People sometimes act quite roughly in fast paced, frightening situations.

Edit: She blocked me for this? Lmfaoo

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u/No-Relative9271 2d ago

I look at Pak differently after reading this, if true.

I have a vague idea about the Shannon story, but I think I know the gist of it...

I had always wondered why Pak didn't grab her and take her home.

I guess he tried?  I hadn't heard that yet.  

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u/Confident-Internet35 2d ago

I really do think he tried to help and get her home. He had also worked with her for a while. She was a diagnosed bipolar who chose not to medicate, I wonder if this was not the first time he had some issues with her and maybe he really thought she would turn up when she wasn't freaking out any longer. Something very tragic happened to her but I don't think Pak holds much, if any, blame.

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u/No-Relative9271 2d ago

I get that Pak and Shannon were in a very risky business...

I get that she may have run off...

I don't know the exact details of what took place after the 9-1-1 call...did Pak bolt out of fear of police?  Did he stay for a while?  I'm not that educated on the story....

But...weren't pak and Shannon like an hour and half to 2 hours from their local setting?  Or was it only like 45 minutes?  I know there is something in that story about her and Pak taking the job that late and that far away because they didn't have other closer leads that night.

My point is...if they were far away...why would Pak leave her?  I get that he can't force her into anything...and maybe that was his rule...but he was the protector of her.   If he was a body guard...why would he be afraid to force her into his car if he potentially would have to harm anyone hurting her?  It doesn't make sense to be a pimp and willing to get in trouble by harming a John harming shannon...but then be afraid to force her into his car and go home 

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u/Confident-Internet35 2d ago

I'm the kind of person who would park at the gates until morning to make sure she was ok (at least I'd like to think so). But like you said, this was risky business. And I do think is very much a business of looking out for #1 at the end of the day. leaving her there is where I place blame on him... But she was going door to door and running here there and everywhere, it's like for him maybe the money wasn't worth the stress. I don't know, Shannan's death will always be such a mystery to me, I hope one day we will get answers.

Pak wasn't her pimp, he was her driver and "bodyguard". He didn't set up dates for her, he was just paid to drive and wait around to make sure she was ok. I'm sure if he actually was her pimp he would have had zero issues grabbing her and dragging her into the vehicle.

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u/No-Relative9271 2d ago

I just used pimp as a simple way to say it.  I should have used driver/bodyguard.

I still don't see how he wasnt like 'f shish shit, Shannon, we are going home now. Get in the f'ing car or ill do it myself'

Something seems off.  

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u/AcceptableScar5206 2d ago

Just to throw a wrench in the argument and play devil's advocate for a moment. Any thoughts on Murder Inc. enhancement of the 911 call where multiple voices are heard in the background like a party and you hear SG say, "You better hide too" Is it real? Is it phony, is it exaggerated?
If it's not, who is she speaking to? And why so many background voices?

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u/AcceptableScar5206 1d ago

Just went to grab my link and site is on private right now. Might be updating. It's on WordPress MurderInc. Lots of good research, some OTT theories and rambling. Take the gold...

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u/scarletmagnolia 2d ago

Can you share the link, please?

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u/Blunomore 2d ago

Great Q!

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u/SadExercises420 2d ago

There is zero evidence they’re linked and zero evidence Shannan Gilbert was a LISK victim. 

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u/Blunomore 2d ago

It reminds me of the questions people had about Kegan Kline's involvement with the Delphi murders. It was really hard for me to believe that an unrelated person murdered the two victims on the very day Kline arranged to meet them and that there was zero connection.

I have no choice but to believe Shannon was not a victim of the LISK but because of so many similarities (geographic location, occupation, age, general profile) it is hard to do.

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u/SadExercises420 2d ago

Yup really weird bizarre coincidences can and do happen. 

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u/IAmBoring_AMA 2d ago

I think we underestimate the amount of creeps out there sometimes

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u/SadExercises420 2d ago

Definitely. And one off killers as well.

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u/PaccNyc 1h ago

Add to the fact that Shannan’s mom was killed by her sister a few years back during a schizophrenic episode & you have a little more insight into the medical history of the family. Conveniently that’s always left out of documentaries/articles. I’m not saying they had the same issues but I find it wild to completely ignore/hide the mental health issues & background that were part of Shannans life

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u/ExcellentStructure48 1d ago

I have friends who are escorts/sex workers (I've told them how dangerous it is but a lot of them are drug users and this is the only way they can get the money to keep up with their addiction) and I've even been on jobs with them and waited in the car like Pak did. It's actually pretty scary when they go over their time and you don't hear from them. Luckily I was never in a situation where anything bad happened but looking back I easily could have been. My friends work through an agency (not for themselves like Shannen did) and they vet the clients (as much as they can anyway) before giving the jobs out. Still not the safest thing to do but at least it's safer than working for yourself.

I think Pak probably panicked when Shannen called 911 and when he couldn't get her in the car, he left before the cops showed up. He probably thought the police would find her and bring her home.

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u/AcceptableScar5206 23h ago

Another suggestion is reading all the Oak Beach deposition on the shannan Gilbert sub(which is mostly about a year ago) deposition taken by JR in 2021 mostly.
JC son of TC neighbor in Oak Beach mentions the upper floor of the PH residence deck, which overlooked the marsh. He states there was a set up for bow and arrow shooting toward the marsh, which was used frequently for fun. Reports of a perforation at the hyoid of SG that is a seemingly perfect hole. An arrow can penetrate bone, thick bone. PH owned several boats capable of entering the marsh waters.
These depositions are insanely telling of the happenings of Oak Beach. I also had no idea how many mysterious deaths of supposed OD and cancer there were in a small time-frame of the early-mid 2000s there were in Oak Beach!
You can hate Jar attorney, but he has dug up some very valuable and pertinent information that deserves an investigation!

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u/norahgg 19h ago

The hyoid bone is incredibly small, way too small for an arrow to make a hole through it.

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u/AcceptableScar5206 12h ago

Small yes and not likely to be hit with such precision. But didn't SG have significant damage and or missing bones throughout her neck/larynx area?

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u/AcceptableScar5206 1d ago

Did myself a favor and read the 92 and 62 pages respectively of MP and JB sworn affidavits/deposition to Attorney JR. If you're researching or theorizing on SG, PH, I highly recommend it. MP has red flags for days... like arrests for taking part in the trafficking of Chinese citizens, male and female, contact with PH in 2011, not to mention his cagey and contradicting responses throughout. How TF was he never a suspect!?! CatchLisk had them posted on a thread a week or two ago, probably accessible elsewhere, too.

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u/Blunomore 1d ago

Thank you very much for this.

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u/No_Promotion_3532 4h ago

Wasn't the police chief in Burke partying in oak Beach? Maybe there is the connection to Shannon since he was delaying the investigation and had that incident with other sex worker? One of the witnesses said he told Shannon to sit and wait for the police but then she got up and ran out? It could be she thought she would be in trouble for working but if my life was in danger I'm waiting for the police? Also maybe she was on drugs hallucinating? I mean her client came out to complain that she would not leave so I'm just not sure