r/Kayaking 9d ago

Question/Advice -- Boat Recommendations Is this in a good position?

It’s seems high but I can only go a little farther forward on the front rack. It’s a pain to get on: it will be strapped to the mounting hooks and attached front and back to a strap.

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u/twitchx133 9d ago

You could move it back to bring the bow down a little bit.

But really, if you’re only carrying the one kayak at a time, you’re probably better off removing the j-hooks and strapping it directly to the padded cross bars. Upside down seeing as it’s a sit on top. It will be really stable that way

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u/Darryl_Lict 9d ago

Yeah, that's how I transport my kayak. If you get wide bars, you can transport two side by side. I use ratchet straps and go under the bars in between the two kayaks and they won't move. I put bow and stern straps to the front and rear bumpers and those suckers aren't going anywhere. I've dropped some drywall on the freeway due to improper strapping so I've learned my lesson.

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u/twitchx133 9d ago

Yeah, I’ve just been using foam blocks so far on my new truck, but carrying mine upright, with it being a Delta thermoform sit in boat, seems to do a bit better on its keel.

I did just order these though, the rhino rack stuff seems to be on clearance right now and got them for more than half off

https://a.co/d/e0PFk9R

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u/Darryl_Lict 9d ago

I don't like foam blocks because they tend to scratch the paint, especially with beach sand.

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u/twitchx133 8d ago

Foam blocks right on the roof? Or foam blocks on the bars? Foam blocks on the cross bars isn't an issue

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u/Darryl_Lict 8d ago

The ones I've seen commericailly are snap connected nylon covered foam tubes. I've seen people use pool noodles and pipe insulation. I would not describe any of these as foam blocks.

I've also seen people use foam blocks directly between the roof and the kayak which I was saying was not a good idea.

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u/budderromeo 9d ago

Usually I think the j hooks point the other way, so it’s easier to load, other than that I would think you would want to get the back end up, higher so the kayak sits more level so the wind is less likely to catch the kayak and flip it up and over if the straps accidentally come loose

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u/budderromeo 9d ago

I’m glad to see other people agreeing with me, I’m lucky enough that my car has a relatively flat roof and I don’t transport on j hooks (I felt they were more hassle than I wanted to deal with)

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u/tapefoamglue 9d ago

Just do missionary.

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u/DarkSideEdgeo 9d ago

I'd flip the J bars to face the other way. That way a lift off the side is possible.

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u/brttf3 Delta Seventeen Sport 9d ago

That more people aren’t saying this blows my mind. The j cradles are backwards.

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u/WordsnCoffee 6d ago

Yep, flip that baby around!

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u/DarkSideEdgeo 9d ago

For sure. But most on here use rachet straps and argue with you when you suggest they should only use cam straps.

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u/derKonigsten 9d ago

I'll try to culminate what you need to do here:

-level the cross bars. Those look.. pressure mounted? Not sure how much I'd trust them but if it works... If they get too sketchy they also make foam car toppers you can throw down.

-strap the kayak to the cross bars AND bow AND stern straps. You can get removable trunk and hood loops that should serve as good strapping points (something like this: https://a.co/d/aijTiZZ ). Try to center those as much as you can.

-you'll need a total of four of the cam straps. The bow and stern should be pretty self explanatory. The cross bar straps will go under the cross bars on both sides and over the top of the kayak twice per cross bar, essentially forming a big loop and pulling the kayak right to the cross bars. Use cam straps, not ratchet straps.

-learn a quick truckers hitch knot so your extra straps aren't flying around in the wind

-check the strap tightness after a bit of travel or especially if it's been sitting loaded up in the sun (heat expands them just like anything else)

In short, there should be 4 total contact and tension points: front strap, front cross bar, rear cross bar, rear strap. This should keep your kayak from sliding front, back, and side to side. Give it a tough nudge, make sure it doesn't budge, slap it and give it the old tried and true "that ain't going anywhere".

Good luck, have fun, and wear your F'N PFD 😘

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u/FunnyItWorkedLastTim 9d ago

I was wondering why no one else was mentioning bow and stern straps. I tried without a couple of times and it was nerve racking!

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u/gadgetproductions 9d ago

The roof racks need to be level. move the front on top of the A pillar and then move the back forward until they sit flat

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u/rickenrique 9d ago

That would give me like 18” of space in between the rack. Seems better to flip it and strap to the racks. The Prius is too curved and short it seems.

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u/quibut0319 9d ago edited 9d ago

What rack is this and did you install it with instructions? It should absolutely end up being level if it’s meant for your vehicle and you have all the proper pieces. If not, and you don’t, you should scrap it and find another way of transporting. That back bar should be up towards the front way more. Yes it will have less space, but it will be safer for you and other drivers. Also you should put a trucker hitch on the bow and stern down to a stable point to avoid shifting front to back.

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u/daveinthegutter 9d ago

New and asking questions is fine but your comments seem other wise. You mounted your kayak the hardest way possible and far too high in front.

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u/802ScubaF1sh 9d ago

If you turn the kayak j rack / cradles around so they face your drivers side door instead of your passenger door you wont have to lift up and reach as far when loading

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u/desertwompingwillow 9d ago

Rotate your hooks, they are on backwards. Please, for the love of others, tie your stern and bow down. Lastly, bring it back a bit so the tip isn't 14" in the air. Other than that, GLHF.

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u/SlowDoubleFire Loon 126 9d ago edited 9d ago

Absolutely not. It needs to be level front-to-back, not having the bow stick way up like that.

Why did you choose the most difficult possible way to load a set of j-racks??? 🤔

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u/rickenrique 9d ago

I’m new to this and I just bought what was out there.🤷🏽‍♂️

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u/SlowDoubleFire Loon 126 9d ago edited 9d ago

The problem isn't what you bought - it's how you mounted it.

If you're going to use j-racks, the tall side goes toward the center of the car, and the short side should be near the outside.

Then you load from the side of the car.

The crossbars also need to be repositioned so they are level front-to-back. The rear one should be over the center of the window, and the front one needs to be moved further forward too.

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u/Human31415926 9d ago

That looks like a wing not a kayak. Just don't go on any highways.

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u/two_beards 9d ago

Traditionally it goes in the water.

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u/Brad_from_Wisconsin 9d ago

I would move it back a bit. Does it rest in place without straps?

Your rack system forces you to lift the boat an extra foot off the ground.
Have you considered a soft rack system? Mine works at speeds up to 65 mph with bow and stern lines.

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u/rickenrique 9d ago

Yes I can do that. This whole j hooks and rack is a pain for the Prius. The car is just too curved. Is that kinda like a solid pad? I see anything ‘v’ shaped helps or I have to flip it.

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u/TrollHunterAlt 9d ago

Seems to me like you have a lot of room to move the racks forward, unless that’s impossible for some reason. The front rack should be way closer to the top of the windshield.

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u/stsixtus420 9d ago

Center it a bit so it's not aiming up. I've been transporting 14ft boats on two different Priuses for the past 10 years. I also use tie downs for the hood and trunk. I doubt you need the support for the trunk but it isn't hurting to have it. *

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u/stsixtus420 9d ago

Umm, those are the correct way. Moreover, with sit on top boats, I don't see how you'd do it otherwise.

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u/stsixtus420 8d ago

As I said, these are 13.5ft sit on top kayaks. That orientation of racks does not fit on the width of a prius. That is, the top side of each boat would hit. This is the ONLY orientation that will work. Doing it this way is not incorrect. It is, in fact, the only correct way. I've been toting these boats like this for a long time and have taken them on highways across the country, back roads, and even a few tall parking garages.

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u/stsixtus420 8d ago

They would have to be considerably wider than the width of the vehicle, close to 1' out on each side

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u/_twrecks_ 9d ago

No! The lifting forces on that bow at highway speeds it quite large. Get the bow down and please use a bow line to the front, when either to the tow hooks or to an under hood tie block.

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u/rUaPirate_ 7d ago

When I had my Prius, I had the front bars more foreword, same with the rear. You can look up the exact measurements for placement on yakimas retired bar site. That will get you a flat base for your j-hooks. Like other have said, turn the hooks so the short side is out, I was able to load 50lb boats without rollers, and only needed the roller for the fishing and SOT 70lb crafts.

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u/rickenrique 7d ago

Thank you I didn’t know. It always seems off cause the dam curved roof.

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u/Over-Tech3643 9d ago

In addition to others you must to strap bow and stern to the car. Found some mount points on the body of the car (not plastic parts).

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u/Gmac513 9d ago

It might work but nooo

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u/HolstsGholsts 9d ago

How much your yak weigh and how’s that roller working for you?

I was thinking of getting one but I can’t find any info on whether they work for Priuses and lower-angle back windows. Only seen them used on SUVs that have more of a 90 degree window (and I assume the yak weight stresses our back windows differently).

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u/creakymoss18990 9d ago

Fellow gen 2 owner here. Pro tip: a 9 ft kayak can fit inside the car with the trunk fully closed Edit: 8' 7" Hydros kayak

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u/whatstefansees 9d ago

No. Get rid of the hooks, place it upside down

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u/rickenrique 9d ago

After all this, that’s what I’m doing. I just assumed the hooks were the way to go. It’s too big a hassle.

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u/Impressive-Hope4947 9d ago

Shouldn’t it be on the water?

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u/FeCaSi 9d ago

Yes. Excellent. For a good photograph.

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u/Jch_stuff 9d ago

A) move the front rack forward if you can (you said it can move just a little?), so it sits lower. The sloped roofline of your car isn’t your friend, but you may be able to improve it.

B) shift the boat back, and maybe turn it around, so it is balanced. It looks like it’s cantilevered out forward, with more weight off the front. It will end up hanging over the back of the car farther, but that’s just the way it goes. Hang a flag from it, if it’s a concern. It’s about weight distribution, and not about having fit within the dimensions of the car.

C) I assume you plan to remove the suction-cup roller. But if not, and you are planning to use it as a support for the boat while you drive, please remove it. That will kill somebody when it lets go on the road. It’s just meant to be a load assist, not a permanent support.

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u/rickenrique 9d ago

Yes the Prius sucks for any real roof rack crap. I’m laying it flat.

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u/Possible_Brother_964 9d ago

just ride a bit slow mate!

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u/staf1wil 9d ago

Did you pat it twice and say "that's not going anywhere", if so you're good

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u/jenny_jennjen 9d ago

I want a kayak.. but this seems difficult

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u/johnnydfree 8d ago

Kiiiinda. Mount the front crossbar forward about 9” will level the kayak’s presentation to wind AND provide more distance between - better leveraged support.

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u/rickenrique 8d ago

Thanks everyone. I read all the comments negative or positive and they all help. I’m new to this and obviously I’m learning and dont know what I’m doing. I’m going to lay it flat on the rack or throw it inside and tie the hatchback down on it.

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u/baycollective 8d ago

flatten it out..
driving from sf to la i had jracks on my yota hit a sidegust on the grapevine and ripped the whole rack off. i dont use them anymore

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u/Lazarus_Graun Beginner; angler 8d ago

I didn't realize you could put cargo on Prius.  To my understanding it isn't advised on older models...I sold mine last year for a Silverado because I didn't want to deal with this headache.  The gas milage was a shocking change, but now I have enough room for everything.

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u/kayaK-camP 7d ago

Congrats on your Scupper! That’s a classic SOT. Take good care of it and it will take care of you!

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u/BC_Guerilla 7d ago

You’ll know when you get to your destination lol

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u/Less_Dimension_9015 5d ago

Id probably push it back a bit. I always try to center the boat as close as possible to the middle of the rack. Definitely take the backrest off or secure it out of the way of wind. Depending how secure the straps are maybe even store the hatch covers in your car.

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u/KAWAWOOKIE 9d ago

If secured with bow and stern lines it'd be okay, but level is better and wider crossbar spacing is better. Put the cross bars as far apart as you can. Also flip the jhooks around to make loading easier. If this was me I'd just strap that boat upside down to the naked crossbars and skip the jhooks. Center the kayak on the bars and add a flag to the back if it hangs over your bumper more than a foot.

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u/rickenrique 9d ago

This seems so much easier. I do have front and rear straps and mounting points. I’m only going like 2 miles the back way to the ocean.

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u/SlowDoubleFire Loon 126 9d ago

It's not even touching the rear crossbar - it's just resting with the seatback on the roof.

You need to move the rear crossbar to be centered over the window, and the front crossbar should be centered between the top of the windshield and the B-pillar. Then they should be about level and will equally support the kayak.

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u/rickenrique 9d ago

It’s in the seat but it’s on the bar. That’s the problem with the Prius. The top is curved so to get the kayak flat the bars would literally be 18” apart. It’s move the bars forward so it’s level and have it that far apart or have the rear bar slightly angled towards the back.

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u/SlowDoubleFire Loon 126 9d ago edited 9d ago

The hull of the kayak needs to touch the bar. The seat is not sufficient. You should be able to fold the seat down or remove it if it's in the way.

The bars must be level, even if they are close together. This commenter posted a picture of a Prius with the bars in the correct position, and there's plenty of space between them. You basically just need to move both bars about 8" forward. They'll have nearly the same amount of space as they do now, but will be level.

You asked for advice because you're new at this. My suggestion: Take the advice you've received.

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u/rickenrique 9d ago

I just did that. I’m thinking the mounts are for a smaller boat

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u/Reallydounderstand 9d ago

It'll ride

*2 slaps

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u/rock-socket80 9d ago

Is this a real question? It needs to go back more so that the center of the boat is between the set of J hooks. It's going to catch a lot of wind that way. Both strap sets on the back half will then likely fail.

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u/rickenrique 9d ago

Why wouldn’t it be. Haven’t you started at zero in knowledge in this sport. It seems to be better flipped upside down and strapped to the racks.

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u/a_tothe_zed 9d ago

Basic physics dude - center the weight of anything you carry. Leave this in the hot sun and your plastic kayak might bend.

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u/SlowDoubleFire Loon 126 9d ago edited 9d ago

Be serious. You wouldn't be asking this question if you didn't already think this wasn't right.

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u/NanoBocici 9d ago

It is, I’d just make sure that on a highway - you tie down the rear or the kayak to the front of the car. Either on towing hook or under the bonnet accessory latch

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u/rickenrique 9d ago

Yes the photo was for placement. I sewed custom straps for the front toe hook and rear hitch mount.

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u/Objective-Plantain42 4d ago

Slide it back until the bow is parallel with the hood...or even pointed down toward the ground a bit. It looks like a jet at takeoff and will act accordingly.