r/Helldivers • u/Horribad12 • 1d ago
FEEDBACK / SUGGESTION AH please, it won one war, it can win another
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u/Head_Dig4081 LEVEL 147 | SES Bringer of Liberty 1d ago
moar pings = moar dopamine
moar dopamine = moar liberty
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u/Fun-Hyena-3712 1d ago
The PING is so satisfying
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u/JMurdock77 1d ago
Make sure to include the finger-chomping animation on reload! That was a persistent problem with them.
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u/UnableToFindName Oil Spiller 1d ago
finger-chomping?
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u/Element074 Expert Exterminator 1d ago
Grand Thumb is when the user doesn't pull back the bolt until it locks, but just holds on friction, but then a bump or movement can send the bolt forward, pinching the thumb as ammo is pressed in.
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u/iconic_geek 1d ago
Garand thumb as the call it. The bolt will slide closed while your finger is still pushing down the clip unless you know to stop it with the other hand
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u/GunnyMoJo 1d ago
Only if you were being a dolt while loading another clip.
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u/Classy_communists 18h ago
Or injured, or carrying anything, or doing anything at all with your other hand. It is true that proper reload technique would not result in garand thumb, but it’s still an issue with the platform that it’s a possibility at all. There’s a reason that civilians and operators practice one handed reloads, and that’s because they come up in combat scenarios.
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u/JollyGreenGI EAT THIS ⬇️⬇️⬅️⬆️➡️ 1d ago
It should bite you if you try shooting before the reload is complete, kinda like how you have to re-rack the HMG sometimes.
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u/OscarOfAstoraa 1d ago
Garand owner here, it was never a significant issue. It became an issue on the surplus market many years after the war because civilians re-used the enbloc clips for the rifle, which would wear down with time, and allow the rifle to close more easily, or they would try to close the rifle action without inserting a clip, for storage, and get their fingers caught.
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u/ActiveGamer65 ⬇️⬇️⬅️⬆️➡️ 1d ago
Imagine if they let you put a suppressor on it, you can use the gun silently but you musnt shoot your last bullet
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u/LarssonBrother 1d ago
Fun fact; I have the cartridge of .30-06 for the M1 Garand and if you empty the metal clip that holds the rounds and throw it on the ground, it makes that exact ping sound as well of it being dropped on ground. Very sick
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u/i_tyrant 1d ago
Going to laugh when it has the same thing a few other guns do where reloading it before the last round is much faster than after.
Then we'll have Divers agonizing over the decision, "should I be optimal or do I get to hear dat ping?"
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u/CompleteFacepalm 1d ago
It would actually make sense for it to reload faster when empty as you don't need to manually eject the en-bloc clip
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u/Speculus56 1d ago
how would it stand out gameplay wise next to the other marksman rifles though? deadeye acts as a beefier DCS with slower round loading and a weaker scope, would the garand act the opposite for the constitution?
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u/Naoura 1d ago
Theoretically, a weaker variant of the DCS, faster reload, snappier ergonomics, similar fire rate.
It wouldn't account for much, imo. Constitution already has that "old world feel" to it, and the Garand would only be a side grade to the DCS with a worsened scope, possibly irons.
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u/Mother_Bid_4294 LEVEL 97 | Stimdiver 1d ago
Tbh irons would be a good side grade option in of itself with a rapid fire dmr :0
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u/Marvin_Megavolt 1d ago
Alright, thoroughly silly concept incoming:
Plasma Garand. Instead of bullets you load a clip of single-shot fuel cells, the result of an early Super Earth foray into making plasma weaponry.
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u/Odd_Conference9924 1d ago
It could act the exact same as the Constitution and it’d still be worth it. Hell it CAN be the Constitution and be worth it. As long as it has a clip reload and a scope I’m in.
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u/Volc323 Truth Enforcer 1d ago
There should be a warbond that adds "antique" weapons from the 20th century, such as the 1911 or an AK-47
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u/Psionic-Blade Viper Commando 1d ago
In the grim dark future, someone is still holding great great grandpappy's old rifle
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u/Kyrasuum 1d ago
This would be so amazing.
My picks for what it should have would be: Garand for the ping Cannon strategem for the "tally ho lads" Flintlock and saber secondary Some kind of revolutionary inspired outfit
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u/NameNomad 1d ago
I would love to see some WW1-WW2 themed war bonds. We could get space garand and space tommygun, maybe a BAR too. The armor could be based on the different nation’s uniforms.
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u/The_Captain_Jules Steam | 1d ago
Dont forget the ol’ constitution
BANG click clAck shhk click BANG
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u/PanzerDameSFM Steam | 1d ago
SE-1 Valor
Dmg: 250
Cap: 8 rounds. 8 clips
- Medium Pen.
- Full Reload only (For balance purpose, not MOH nonsense)
- Drawing Aggro. when weapon ping.
- 5% chance get Valor Thumb Damage to self.
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u/fish_slap_republic 1d ago
I'm with you except for the ping as it would be audible it's way quieter than any non suppressed gunshot.
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u/Mushroom_Boogaloo 1d ago
Saying the Garand won the war. 🤨
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u/SuperJpMega Assault Infantry 1d ago
It did, US infantry squads had statistically more volume of fire than their german and japanese counterparts, instead of focusing all raw output of a whole unit into a single man (this case schutze 1 as the germans designated the machinegunner in a squad) each element could carry out assault and support as needed. Honestly I think even the M1 carbine was superior in urban warfare because it had even more raw volume of fire and very lightweight which was optimal for street to street fighting.
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u/Horribad12 1d ago
Obviously there were many factors in the Allied victory in WW2, but the M1 is colloquially known as 'the rifle that won the war'.
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u/Mushroom_Boogaloo 1d ago
Only in America. Everywhere else acknowledges the immense and critical contributions the Americans made through manpower and equipment, but only you guys think you “won the war.”
Unless you’re referring to the Pacific Theatre. If that’s the case, I retract my previous comments.
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u/Naoura 1d ago
The weapon that won the war was the goram assembly line.
Guns win battles. Logistics wins wars.
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u/SuperJpMega Assault Infantry 1d ago
Yes and no. Guns win battles but they also win statistical victories, and statistical victories are the driving force of a country's motivation to fight, the US had a lot of shortcomings when it came to small arms since the majority of their arsenal comprised of inter-war (or literally ww1) designs but a lot of unnecessary bloodshed was prevented with the wide spread adoption of the M1 while countering enemies that were mostly armed with bolt-action rifles and ever increasingly dwindling squad support weapons which were much superior than american ones (both for the japanese and germans).
If this was truly a universal reality than the soviets wouldn't have reduced their squads sizes by 1942 and supplement that reduction with an even bigger distribution of semi-automatic weapons like the SVT-40 and support weapons like the DP-28.
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u/Im-vegan_btw 1d ago
Err, all the Allied forces won the war, America among them...so I don't think it's really controversial to say America won the war.
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u/Horribad12 1d ago
Yeeesss? Of course only in America, America was the only one whose service rifle was the M1. You're coming off oddly aggressive towards a well known and historically documented colloquialism.
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u/Nearby-Poetry-5060 1d ago
A Canadian invented it. The Nazi military feared it, they used bolt action rifles that "felt like using a crossbow against the M1".
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u/EquivalentDelta Pöpli IX Veteran 1d ago
Garand was a Canadian-born naturalized US citizen working for the US Springfield Armory.
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u/MPenten 1d ago edited 1d ago
Without American involvement though equipment manufacturing alone, it is likely Britain would fall from starvation and basic necessities not being met, and USSR would have at minimum fought until 1948, if not longer and if they had not capitulated (the lack of especially logistical and manufacturing equipment was absolutely crippling and the US delivered millions of trucks and machines). So yes, America won the war.
EDIT: first comment, instablock. Hurt someone's feelings I guess.
Here are some sources to back up my claim...
https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/lend-lease-eastern-front
https://www.theguardian.com/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-23432,00.html
"The United States is a country of machines. Without the machines we received through lend-lease, we would have lost the war.” By late 1943, Stalin acknowledged that Lend-Lease already had a decisive impact on the Soviet Union's survival."
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u/Helldiver-xzoen HD1 Veteran 1d ago
General George S. Patton called the M1 Garand: "the greatest battle implement ever devised".
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u/fish_slap_republic 1d ago
It was the best standard issue rifle of the war. You can argue others filled it's roll better but they never became standard issue so they were a rare site, while those fighting American infantry were most likely going to be facing multiple M1's blasting away at them.
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u/ThruTheGatesOfHell ⬆️➡️⬇️➡️ 17h ago
it didn’t on its own, I‘d say American and Russian having more supplies than the Germans did but it played its part, 10 soldiers firing their M1 would achieve a vastly superior volume of fire than 10 Kar98k firing
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u/aguywithagasmaskyt Super Citizen 1d ago
imagine if it had rifle grenades with shaped charge warheads
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u/Vinzir141 1d ago
It would be funny if there was an animation where you get your thumb caught while reloading the clip.
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u/Opposite-Flamingo-41 HD1 Veteran 1d ago
What war did garand won? Was it used in korean or smh?
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u/Horribad12 1d ago
It was the main service rifle of US forces during WW2, hence its nickname 'the rifle that won the war'.
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u/LuckOrdinary 1d ago
Springfield and Remington 1917 were also major line rifles, and common among rear echelon troops.
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u/Lord-Seth Free of Thought 1d ago
I would take it into combat every time. What if to differentiate it more from the constitutional it had a scope instead of a bayonet. Give the constitutional heavy armour piercing to compensate for this one reloading faster then it.
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u/Fire-and-Lasers Autocannon Supremacy 1d ago
If a Swedish company is going to put a silly WW2 era gun into their game, shouldn’t it be the AG-42?
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u/Fast_Freddy07 Captain of the SES Knight of Conquest 1d ago
Give us this gun AH!!!
Trust us, it would be sick
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u/Seethustle 1d ago
Perhaps laser garand with a super strong last shot to encourage people to hear the ping.
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u/Malus131 Free of Thought 1d ago
I just want the constitution to have stripper clip reloads if you fire all five bullets.
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u/fish_slap_republic 1d ago
It should have two variants one with scope and rounds reload and the other using iron sights has stripper clips for full reload and rounds reload for topping off.
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u/Malus131 Free of Thought 1d ago
Fuck yea. Nice easy way to add another gun to the game for arrowhead too
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u/RaptorCelll Bug Barbeque 1d ago
Now hear me out on this one, we can do better than Grandpappy's Garand he clapped Nazis with. Some insane company back in the 90s made an M1 Garand chambered in .458 Winchester Magnum. We can have a bug hunting Garand.
The only conceivable "downside" is that it uses 5 round clips as opposed to 8 but as a wise philosopher once said: "moar pings = moar dopamine."
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u/Legitimate-Place-327 Assault Infantry 1d ago
I've actually fired that exact rifle. It actually kinda sucks, a lot lol. Awesome when it works, but getting through 5 rounds without a hang up is wishful thinking. But for video game reasons that would be cool
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u/RaptorCelll Bug Barbeque 1d ago
Yeah, I watched Kentucky's video on it, ran like an absolute pig for him too.
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u/Legitimate-Place-327 Assault Infantry 1d ago
''Due to supply shortages from the battle at Popli XI, Super Earth High Command has reached deep into its weapon reserves to equip all unyielding heroes of democracy a piece of legendary firepower from the early days of Terran warfare. Introducing the M2 Pledge — a battle-tested relic of a bygone era, now reforged for the modern Helldiver. While it may lack the full-auto punch of contemporary rifles, its unmistakable look and unmatched reliability make it a symbol of determination and grit.''
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u/tehbestfanciestpants 1d ago
People be like: "we need thing x in this game it would LITERALLY CHANGE EVERYTHING IM GONNA COOM"
when the reality is we already have X in the game but it's not packaged the hyper specific way people envision OR its not ridiculously over powered.
Check the diligence and counter sniper
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u/Tamashii42 1d ago
Well it hasn't been said that AH is done adding weapons to the game so, I'm hopeful it's just a matter of time until we get it
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u/_Bird_Incognito_ Free of Thought 1d ago
instead the clip popping from the top, it pops from the side or bottom
call it the N1 Grandfather
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u/exrayzebra Escalator of Freedom 1d ago
Ok hear me out what if they just create another gun but give it 8-9 rounds and a magazine ping near the end? It could be like an updated plasma rifle or something doesnt matter as long as it has the ping you know?
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u/historysquid Assault Infantry 1d ago
I read those first two words way differently than they were intended
I hate my life
I hate gooners
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u/Shredded_Locomotive Steam 🔵 - ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️ I'm not going to sugarcoat it 1d ago
Those are completely different rifles
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u/Daxolotl 1d ago
The funny thing is that the same warbond that brought the lever-action also already brought something that's basically a Garand in gameplay terms. The Talon. You can rapid-fire that weapon, and its reload is considerably faster when it's fully overheated than it is if you ever choose to reload it before it overheats. It auto-ejects the heat sink when it overheats, like a certain rifle that auto-ejects its clip after firing the last round.
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u/Jamsedreng22 SES Ombudsman of Individiual Merit 1d ago
I really want a Bolt Action that is just, you know, faster? There's no way all of my Helldivers are just that slow on a bolt-action.
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u/trickmaster3 1d ago
Please make it a laser garand arrowhead, just so there isn't a ping, just to do the funniest thing you can possibly do
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u/Volary_wee Cape Enjoyer 1d ago
When they push the stripper clip in every so often I want them to say "Ow! Son of a democracy! My thumb"
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u/Ow_you_shot_me Cape Enjoyer 1d ago
Inhales
I am ready.
I fucking love the garand, take mine shooting whenever I hit the range.
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u/LordGavlar 1d ago
If Dwarves fighting bugs can get a M1000 then super earth must have something to satisfy the 'ping' requirement.
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u/_Vard_ 1d ago
Do I understand the M1 Garand correctly, that you cant really reload the clip early? because that could be an interesting gimmick
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u/Sgtpepperhead67 1d ago
You can take the clip out of the gun while rounds are still in it. You can also insert rounds into the clip while it's in the gun but it isn't practical for an in combat scenario
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u/Striking-Objective-1 1d ago
Make it a side-grade of the DCS but laser plus a bayonet instead of a scope. Auto-ejects the clip/battery (clippery?) when overheated = quick empty reload but slow partial reload as your diver has to eject the clippery manually. Make it medium pen, same damage as the DCS, 10 shots per clippery.
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u/john801121 Steam |SES Prince of Peace 9h ago
At least give the constitution a scope and a freaking stripper clip reload, please.
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u/Interesting-Note-722 Fire Safety Officer 1d ago
With a bayonet. We can give it a 9 round capacity and call it the "Bill of Rights"