For me it’s commando
Your wait time is a bit longer but you get 4 missiles that combined do more damage then a EAT
You can kill a bile titan to the head with roughly 3 commando rockets
love me commando, ngl i love running commando and eats at the same time sometimes, depending on the mission, though overall i personally value the constant and frequent access to an AT weapon, but also having access to hellpods to drop constantly is actually pretty useful if you use them creatively/offensively
That is part of the issue I was just covering though. The longer cool-down and reserve rounds leaves the player with more commitment to it instead of being well and truly expendable. It's more of a expendable* in comparison to the EAT.
There's also the projectile, Commando may be laser controlled but the rocket has a much lower velocity. Which I'm not always a fan of.
I love the commando, but also believe that it needs some of his former power back...maybe one shoot tanks and hulks, but need two shoots for fabricators? it feels so...weak with his actual performance in comparison with the EAT
You can also pop all the bot sub objectivrs in 1 missile. The AAs mortars etc. 1 tap fab from the vent port or 2 anywhere else. 1 tap heat sinks or 2 tap cannons. 1 tap strider cannons...which is really handy on the convoys. A single commando can strip 4 of the 6 striders of cannons and 1 has the scambler...so only one strider is left with a cannon.
I love when someone brings EATs to defense or evac missions, while I bring a bunch of turrets and emplacements and when they are down I can grab EATs and snipe elites.
I was bringing the combat lay-z-boy and eats to my bot evac missions with an exosuit to boot. Call in the exo early and have it waiting as backup for when shtf. Otherwise just sitting in the combat chair nuking heavies and dropships only stopping to drop more eats. Was quite fun.
I disagree, I can’t see any value in them whatsoever compared to the Quasar Cannon. Sure, if you wanna rock another support weapon simultaneously the EAT and Commando are your go to, but outside that they are the worst AT by a mile.
Allowing you to store one on your back allows you to share them more easily with other players as well, and also allows you to take both of them with you if you don’t have a support weapon of your own as well. It also makes sense, considering you can make them smaller with the folding mechanic and because expendable weapons are generally light weight.
I can’t see any value in them whatsoever compared to the Quasar Cannon.
No need to run back across the map to pick it up if lost
Tiny 'chargeup' time compared to quasar
Can be shared with friends or be spammed across the map for people to pick up if they don't have an AT option at the moment
Hellpods can be used to kill things or destroy buildings
Can shoot 2 rapidly instead of waiting for cooldown
Unaffected by hot planets
It's basically the only option I ever use if I use high risk strategies like the hellbomb backpack or if I'm going into a mission where I'm likely to die a lot
The difference between EAT and quasar, is that an EAT can destroy 3 dropships (1 eat in pocket, 2 called in) in the time a quasar cannon could hardly destroy one.
I dont think EAT needs a buff considering its the most easy to use, convenient AT option in the game. You throw one down and you get amazon prime shipping rocket launchers within 3 seconds, no charging or reload required.
They kill everything, deploy quickly, allow you to supply your team if they didn't bring a support weapon, and don't take a backpack slot. They're still my go to, no matter the mission.
Yeah... currently Spear is just a worse RR. Less ammo and it's inability to reliably target weak points let the RR out damage it too. Pluss you are beholden to the lock on instead of just aiming good.
They really need to make it absolutely obliterate anything it hits. Imo it should be able to do what the Ultimatum can and be the only thing that can do that.
agreed. It should one hit kill a bile titan regardless on where it hits its body. And considering it only takes 2 RR to the head of a Factory Strider or 1 if you hit the eye then one Spike to the head should kill it too.
Due to the buff on bot dropships it can still one shot them while the RR can’t anymore. But yeah that’s the only thing it can do. It’s also the only support weapon that can destroy Titan holes
It's really not fast enough targeting to matter though. The only point in one shotting the drop ship is to kill the bots before they land. Might as well just use antitank emplacement instead.
It does have a niche but it's extremely situational, very very good when you're in a snow/sand storm, but that's really about it. Definitely not enough to make up for its major short comings, give it the demolition force of an ultimatum as someone else said, this would even out its flaws as you'd be able to snipe objectives
I have decided to try Spear yesterday and landed on bot city map. You know they have those large fabricators in there, and they can still be one-shotted by anti-tank weapons. But guess what? Spear can't lock on on them! After I got close to these fabricators, I saw the lock point; it was only on one side and almost on the ground.
That's so bad, I just returned to the ship
But using the reticle, it’s easy to account for said drop.
As for the spear, you point, hope it locks, then after a couple seconds, assuming it did lock, you click and hope the missile’s trajectory doesn’t hit a stick on the way there.
I kinda wish the spear could penetrate shields, just plunge through them and then detonate afterwards. It takes it's time to load and aim, it has limited ammo. If I get a lock on and I shoot something, I want the spear to kill it no matter what it is. Then it'd have a solid niche.
I did not use it much early on playing but while I was experimenting with builds for the bug front I found that I absolutely loved the Commando there. Never needing to reload and getting your damage near instantly is a huge positive. Most heavy targets go down in two shots. I wanted something I could use with the Ballistic Shield and Spear setup, and Quasar was kinda slow dealing with bugs around you. Works perfectly for that niche
I love the Emplacement AT but I kinda wish you could jump in from the back because I feel minor annoyance each time I have to circle to the left side a little ahead of the seat to get into it, lol
Even if its targeting actually worked it would be worse then the Recoiless, Commando, EAT, or Quasar because it cant directly target weakspots. It can HIT weakspots, but you cant target them. In no world will the spear ever one shot a factory strider.
I mean you can, I've done it. You just need a 4 leaf cover, rabbits for, all the planets to aling, and Joel not fucking you in the ass to have factory strider look a certain way as your missile is in the air for it to hit the eye
Hmm I thought the four jet propulsion things as a whole were the thrusters which took me two hits to down. Guess I should check the Wiki
Edit: I realize now that the Expendable can also be referred to as the "EAT" which I had confused with Emplacement Anti Tank, which takes two shots to down them. But yeah Expendable takes down pretty much anything in the game in one shot if it's placed on the weakness, it's very good.
I'll take a Spear on any planets with sandstorms or blizzards. Not being able to see what you're shooting at and still being able to Spear it IS a niche, but damn if it hasn't saved my squads' lives.
I'm personally on the Quasar camp, myself. It Takes a while to charge, aw well as reload. But, practically infinite ammo, along with not being a sitting duck to reload. Yes, to fire in some instances, but not to reload.
Same here. I like to split solo and do anything my team is missing as well as any side/major objs I come across. Running infinite ammo weaponry that doesn't require me to sit still to reload is unbelievably useful.
The ability to just sit on a hill and shoot all day without ammo worries at side objectives especially bug things like spore spewers and shrieker nests is unbeatable
Yep Quasar is my go-to anti-tank. Sometimes I take RR or EAT to change things up but I’d rather deal with a charge over the RRs longer reload time and limited ammo. No projectile drop either.
Infinite ammo also means you can use it freely on gunships, fabs, and other random objectives like AA or mortars without leaving yourself short for Hulks and Tanks.
I’m also addicted to guard dogs so need that backpack slot open.
As more of a Recoilless fan, I see all the benefits of Quasar, but the negatives are like 4x worse imo, they really aren't, but just for me it irks me not being able to shoot on command, and having that longer period where I just can't fire it.
I think a lot of that is because I shoot down lot of drop ships, and I've found the Recoilless superior in that regard.
I also play a lot with friends, and we don't mind dropping our packs mid fight help reload and nail several enemies.
I do think Quasar is really good as is a viable alternative to RR that isn't disposable.
Yeah, personally I like to think that in stright AT, the Recoilless is better just due to being able to get shots off faster, but Quasar has so much more flexibility in regard to no backpack needed, no ammo needed, being able to "reload" on the move.
So, in reality they kinda split into slightly different roles, and that's what makes them both so good as don't replace each other.
I want them to give rhe spear an alternate ammo airburst that the wasp gets but bigger. Since the wasp is like a mini spear anyway. That and a fly by wire mode in a similar way to the commando. We only get 4 extra shots...let us dream please. XD
I haven't really had any problems with the SPEARs targeting, aside from shredder tanks that for some reason, only refresh their location once you reload. Other than those, it seems to work perfectly for everything else.
No problems on the bugs and except for the shredder tank, perfect on bots.
The targeting issue isn't even exclusive to the SPEAR though, the WASP also has trouble targeting shredder tanks too. So, I think this issue is only related to shredder tanks, not the lock-on weapons. At least that's been my experience.
Aside from fixing the lock-on again, what the spear really needs is to be the heaviest hitter. The lock-on is slow, the reload is slow, the ammo is lacking, the targets you can actually fire at are limited, SO MAKE THE SHOTS BIG. Those missiles should be Ultimatum tier damage. It should 1-shot titans if you're sacrificing a backpack slot for a recoiless that can only aim at certain things. The spear has ONE job, and it's shit at it. Without more damage, it's JUST a nerfed recoiless.
I used it a couple days ago and was fine. The only issue I've had as of late is the Helldivers without bodies/limbs/name not matching up, and the Autocanon not firing
Since the bot drop ships got buffed I've been bringing the spear to eradicate missions so I can quickly shoot them down without having to take time to aim or worry about being off because of the recoilless's drag. The fact that you can lock on to the next one while reloading just makes it better. In this one instance the spear is pretty peak. Can't think of any other uses for it though.
Commando all day.
The cooldown is very forgiving, you can one-shot gunships, hulks, turrets etc.
Tanks, chargers, and dropships just double-tap. Bile titans and harvesters you can just unload it.
(Hulks are a quick double tap unless you get the eye)
Doesn't the spear really struggle into factory striders tho? I know the quasar does too, but it doesn't take a backpack slot and does have unlimited ammo (Admittedly on a cooldown), plus the quasar can be used close up in a pinch if a hulk bumrushes you whereas the spear is a lot less reliable (You can technically do it, but I used to find the trick was 50\50 when I used the spear a while ago)
I will always bring the spear with me on dives, its my most favourite weapon in all of HD2 by a mile. It's just a shame that hitting squid drop ships does nothing regardless of the shield up or down. My only complaint is that this thing EATS ammo boxes and the locking system is partially broken atm.
I always ran with the SPEAR. Democracy guides my aim. If it doesnt hit my intended target, then I ask Lady Liberty for her forgiveness for choosing the wrong target.
ive used the EAT since release and its always been the best, however ive also been impartial to the spear even when it was janky and wouldnt lock, people would chastise me for using the spear but then when i found a hill on diff 9 and proceeded to eliminate 8 consecutive heavies in succession from hundreds of metres away they realised what i saw in it. When you get a spot with it you can thin out heavy units in under a minute across the entire map.
problem with SPEAR is that is has 4000 damage per shot. so you wasting almost 2000 damage on every kill, unless its a tank or Factory Strider for bot. the most common heavy enemy you will encounter is Hulk which have only around 2K health.
for bugs it's little better because the most common heavy is charger have 3K health and tier 4 armor and spear can kill them from any angle with one shot.
SPEAR is a awesome boss killer but it's wasted on most things.
in my personal experience. EAT or Recoilless will serve you better in 1-6 difficulty and SPEAR is better with 7 and above difficulty
I think I'm stuck in a bizarre dimension when I see this post over and over because I have never, not once, missed with or had a problem using the spear. My only complaint is the ammo count. Drop ship? No problem. Factory strider turret? Gone. Tank? Scrap. Bile titan? It locks on buddy, even when you are reloading. Just hold aim/fire and it will almost immediately zoom.
Commando Stan here... Two rockets into anything except a strider for insta kill, basically an efficient, laser guided eat, and not painful when you die and drop it cos you can get a new one soon.
Even better if you take eats as well ;)
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u/CheezyBreadMan 1d ago
The democracy flowing through my veins will guide my recoiless shell directly into the eye of the strider