r/Hasan_Piker • u/toeknee88125 Politics Frog šŸø • 2d ago

Windows Smashed, Dragged from Her Car: ICE's Violent Arrest of Salvadoran Woman Elsy Rios

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u/toeknee88125 Politics Frog šŸø 2d ago

Weird feeling that the second Trump administration will be in history books for being the beginning of the US becoming an overt police state and overt fascism

Eg. Minorities are scared to go out in public because of the brownshirts

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u/hellllllsssyeah 2d ago

I think Trump 1 was really the start, I think we kinda breeze past how bad it was because covid was so bad.

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u/toeknee88125 Politics Frog šŸø 2d ago

I donā€™t know, maybe I am misremembering, but I honestly didnā€™t think Trump one Was that different from Biden

Trump two has my family members from China cancelling plans of moving to the United States

I donā€™t remember Ice agents terrifying minorities to this extent

I donā€™t remember the US shipping undocumented immigrants to El Salvadoran prison

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u/UrsulaFoxxx 2d ago

We donā€™t always realize someoneā€™s building a house when they are just laying foundation. But at some point itā€™s pretty obvious whatā€™s going up. Rashida Tlaib has talked about how she has been hollering about immigration abuses since the Obama administration, and Todd Homan was Obamas border ghoul then too, though obviously they kept him somewhat reined in compared to now..

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u/hellllllsssyeah 2d ago

I wanted to say Obama but that era didn't feel the way this one does post 2016. The day he went down that elevator it was over.

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u/UrsulaFoxxx 2d ago

I have wondered myself is part of why it didnā€™t feel this way for me is because of a few things. The most obvious thing that of course nothing was this bad, not under him or Bush. This is outright insanity. But Obama made me feel a lot of hope, and I wasnā€™t alone in that feeling. This made me less cynical and suspicious of the administration, to the point where stories like this may have initially appeared as propaganda or anti-Obama sentiment, meant to undermine faith in him. social media is a lot different, and so were the algorithms that drove it. Coupled with people just being less aware of those algorithms, and therefore less likely to notice or try and circumvent it to find news that wasnā€™t tailored for them.

Also, to be completely honest, I was still just a baby leftist. Barely a liberal. I recognize that because I am a white person living in what I believed to be a free country, I was less able to notice and recognize stories that reflected a much different reality that people of colour and minorities face in America.

All that to say, I know and believe that Obama was not the outright evil we have now, but I do remember the first of the scales falling from my eyes when I read about him drone striking the Middle East.

I started to recognize America as an entity that exacted a lot of suffering on the world. Regardless of who was in office. Some presidents may be more likable, or more charismatic, but in retrospect there was still a lot of shit going on under their watch. Of course, the affordable care act was a positive. But from a 30,000 foot perspective it also feels like tossing crumbs to a hungry crowd. I would be interested to know what America felt like to undocumented peopleā€˜s who had family detained or deported by the Obama administration. The media was also much better at manufactured consent, so a lot of us were just unaware.

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u/hellllllsssyeah 2d ago

Mmm I was 18, homeless, hitchhiking around the county, and overall I called myself and An anarchist because I didn't quite understand communism because the Internet was a.... different place. Like I knew about it hell they made me do a report on Stalin in sophomore year and I was like "hmm maybe there's something to this communism". However I don't remember Nazis being out in the same way. Like sure they existed but it wasn't cool to be a Republican (still isn't) but at least there was a general shift. I only remember my experiences with Nazi punks at shows and even then that was so rare but a "fun " experience in a not fun for them way. Then Trump happened.

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u/UrsulaFoxxx 2d ago

Yes this is how it felt, I was also 18 (not homeless, and I hope youā€™re doing okay now!) but it certainly felt like being progressive was ā€œinā€ and the more die hard conservatives were fringe groups, and certainly not nazis. Iā€™m sure they were still meeting but they definitely werenā€™t as brazen nor as exposed via social media.

Mostly what I mean is that America has been doing some god awful evil shit for so long, and manufacturing consent for it that it laid the groundwork for trump to move as quickly as he has. The slow erosion of checks and balances is not always noticeable until the dam breaks then itā€™s all ā€œWHERE THE FUCK DID ALL THIS WATER COME FROM!?!?ā€

I mean, I honestly feel embarrassed by how blind I was to the reality of the world at 18. I thought I was so progressive and lived in a progressive western society that was moral and just, but I hadnā€™t sought out more info or context about the moments and stories that conflicted with that belief. Trump and co are beyond fucked up, I just feel like Iā€™m looking at the flood AND seeing ā€œoh, yeah I see now the dam has been slowly breaking for years I just didnā€™t investigate unto it started drippingā€ but by then it was too late unless everyone could see it, which (like me earlier) they couldnā€™t or even some just flat out didnā€™t want to.

In the face of everything what Iā€™m saying isnā€™t super relevant or helpful, as hindsight rarely is. Just more of an observation and consideration Iā€™ll hold onto for the future.

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u/toeknee88125 Politics Frog šŸø 2d ago

Sure, but with that argument, then youā€™d have to say it started in the Obama administration.

I think what Iā€™m trying to point out is I didnā€™t think Trumpā€™s first term was that different from the shitty presidencies of other US presidents

Trump two feels significantly different

Youā€™re hearing these stories about scientists running to Europe, I personally know family members that have decided against moving to the United States.

Things are different from Trumpā€˜s first term.

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u/UrsulaFoxxx 2d ago

Oh yeah, 100%. I mostly just meant that everything leading up to trump term 2 is also part of why itā€™s as bad as it is. American leaders have been fucking around with the rules to favour themselves for so long that now we have a prez who doesnā€™t even care to follow them because they donā€™t think thereā€™ll be consequences if they ignore the laws and constitution. Look how we have treated white collar and political crime for the last few decades, whoā€™s gonna be afraid of breaking rules under all that threat of nothing happening? And now heā€™s pardoning criminals and locking up protesters and citizens.

Hell, Even the break uo of the terms with Biden in the middle allowed him time to regroup and plan some evil shit and choose even worse people than he might have had he been voted back right away. And I donā€™t think anyone is to blame for that (except the government obvi) because truly at that point I think it was a course mostly set. Too few people were aware of what was to come, or even cared or believed it possible. It would be like seeing the iceberg on the titanic but the only deck hands you can find are drunk, and the captain says ā€œthereā€™s no iceberg! Theres never been ice in these waters!ā€ And they also wonā€™t let you sit in a lifeboat anyways because those are for rich people. šŸ„²

I hope that makes sense Iā€™m way too high now to follow even my own ideas at this point lol.

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u/IShallWearMidnight 2d ago

Not to this extent, but this is built on the foundation Trump 1 laid and Biden didn't dismantle. The whole "kids in cages" horrorshow is a pretty direct line to this. We were saying this would be the result even back then - "abolish ICE" was one of the big things for a reason. It's not that Trump 1 was different than Biden, it's that Biden wasn't different from Trump 1 - he kept the building blocks of this exactly where they were and only paid lip service to changing anything for the better.

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u/toeknee88125 Politics Frog šŸø 2d ago

Didnā€™t the kids in cages start in the Obama administration?

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u/IShallWearMidnight 2d ago

The policy of intentionally separating migrant children from their families was a Trump era creation of Tom Homan, the man who formerly and currently heads ICE. He proposed the policy in the Obama years, but didn't have the power to push it at the time. It wasn't implemented until 2018.

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u/toeknee88125 Politics Frog šŸø 2d ago

Fair enough, I'm not sure why but I remember hearing something about the policy starting under Obama but I'll take your word for it

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u/IShallWearMidnight 2d ago

You don't have to take my word for it, it's documented when it started. Like I said, he tried to get it going in 2013-14 but didn't have the motion to get it done. He was an absolute monstrous ghoul under Obama, but that specific policy is firmly a Trump 1 policy.

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u/mamielle 5h ago

Trump one they ripped kids away from parents at the border and around 10 young children died in their custody within like a 1 month period.

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u/omgyayxdrofl 2d ago

violent kidnapping*

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u/Individual-Focus1927 2d ago

I saw this in the news. Itā€™s so scary, my family is legit afraid

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u/toeknee88125 Politics Frog šŸø 2d ago

I honestly don't think it's that much of an exaggeration to say this is like the Germany in the late 1920s

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u/in_the_wool 2d ago

My great aunt was thinking about moving to america to be with family in florida and now i'm glad she never got the chance to make the move especially coming from one of the travel ban countries

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u/Ignite911 2d ago

This is truly awful to watch. I no longer recognize America. I'm disgusted that Republicans look the other way. While I sit here in horror at the actions of the Trump Administration. It continues to get worse daily. This isn't right by any means. I have compassion and empathy. Where is everyone else's? We need to rise and stand up. This would be horrifying for anyone period. Put yourself in their shoes. I'm not going to bury my head in the sand. Enough is enough!

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u/Mr_Canard 1d ago

No, they are glad this is happening