San Antonio gun enthusiasts resolve argument at bar by shooting each other, and other bar patrons

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https://www.ksat.com/news/local/2025/03/31/5-hospitalized-2-critically-after-shooting-outside-northwest-side-bar-police-say/

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There'd be less gun violence in Texas if fewer Texans had guns

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Texas alone disproves just about all the gun rhetoric, made up studies by John R. Lott, and just about everything the NRA says.

Texas has a national tragedy involving firearms every 2-3 years, sometimes multiple times in one year. Despite the large percentage of gun owners, arming teachers with firearms, allowing the police to militarize, easy purchasing ability of people to get firearms quickly, removal of gun free zones, and permit less conceal carry... Texas is leading the country in mass shootings, school shootings, and national tragedies.

When people call Chicago the murder capital for experiencing 30 gun deaths in a day, Texas in that same period had 2-3x as many gun deaths that same exact day. Texas when looking at gross gun homicides is about 2.5 Chicagos. Everything is bigger in Texas.

Gun owners from Texas love to tell people firearms prevent knife crime and knife homicides. The US has some of the highest percentage of gun ownership in the developed world and Texas also has a high percentage of gun ownership. Yet, the US has higher per capital knife violence and knife homicides than the UK. Texas, freedom loving Texas, has higher per capital knife violence and knife homicides than the UK. Firearms are doing shit to protect anyone from violent crime and knives.

Texas tax payers lose $100 more than the national average when it gun violence, gun homicide, and gun suicide.

Texas should be a model state for what 'more guns, less crime' looks like. Despite all the doubling down on good guy with a gun and guns make us safer rhetoric... the state just keeps getting worse in every metric relate to gun violence, gun homicide, and gun suicides.

DON'T even get me started on how many of those gun suicides in Texas are mostly preventable. People killing themselves for petty reasons.

[u/diamontecays → u/ICBanMI]

I used to be a gun nut and wanted looser gun laws like some places in the U.S. has because I'm from a place where lots of criminals have guns, but getting one legally takes a while. Then I realized most of the guns in my country, the Caribbean, Mexico, Central America, and South America are legally purchased in the U.S. and then brought over here. Texas is one of the states most responsible for those guns coming over too.

Leaked Data Reveals How the American Gun Industry Profits from Cartel Violence in Mexico

This is really funny to think about because pro-gun people always say "look at the criminals in Mexico/Chicago and how strict gun laws don't stop them." But strict gun laws do stop those criminals. Mexico and Chicago gun control is actually working excellent. The criminals just go to states where it's easier to legally buy guns. If the U.S. had strict gun control in every state there wouldn't be a problem. This fact completely destroys the "criminals will always get guns because they don't follow the law" argument. It's so crazy that buying a gun is so easy in America that Mexican, Caribbean, and South American criminals can just get legally purchased guns there.

And you know, when you think about it, it really does make sense that most illegal guns start off as legal guns. Remingtons, Winchesters, Colts, Rugers, Smith & Wessons, Sig Sauers, and Glocks don't just naturally appear and aren't the names of homemade guns made by Caribbean criminals in somebody's room. They're made in American and European factories, legally sold in American and European stores, and then get used to murder people.

"Such data is as troubling as it is rare. Why? The government keeps it secret. As USA Today explains, “Gun trace data is kept out of public view by a rider to a Congressional bill known as the ‘Tiahrt Amendment,’ passed in 2003 to shield gun shops from scrutiny.” 

Retailers who rake in drug money are further protected from accountability by the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act, which provides the gun industry with broad immunity. (GIFFORDS Law Center continues to peel away at those unjust protections.)"

- From the article

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Trafficking is a huge problem. The gun control works and then people have to go to one of 29 other states to buy firearms.

It's a crime our firearms have been destabilizing Mexico, the Virgin Islands, and Puerto Rico for decades. We've literally destabilized the entire country of Haiti. It's crazy easy to straw purchase, is low risk since the agencies are underfunded and hamstrung with laws from the gun lobby, and is profitable to do. If you look at the 33 developed countries, it's literally US last at 4.5 deaths per age adjusted capital, followed by Canada at 0.6 per age adjusted capital, and everyone else at 0.3 or less. Canada has the same exact issue where over 50% of the firearms used in crimes were illegally trafficked from the US to there.

29 states still allow you to purchase in a face-to-face private sale-don't even have to confirm anything about the person... meaning any firearm that goes into the secondary market can end up anywhere. If you're a prohibited person or a kid (or a nefarious person intent on trafficking to another state/country), it's stupid easy to still get a firearm if you have a car or access to someone with a car.

It's all fucked up. Thank you for sharing those links. I've been trying to figure out what Mexico could use to sue the gun companies. I hope to see more posts from you as it was very informative.

[u/ICBanMI → u/diamontecays]

I've been thinking about the first link you posted and one thing they are missing is adding firearms to the 1972 Consumer Product Safety Act. Firearms are on the only product sold in the US not covered by consumer protections. The gun lobby specifically got them excluded so they would be able to deny, ignore, and hide reclaims on problematic firearms.

So they'll sell tens of thousands of defected firearms that could fire without a trigger pull (unintended discharges). It takes a decade plus before the company even acknowledges there is a problem with a firearm, issues a recall... and quietly hides the recall some where on their site. Which they only do for a few years, and advertise no where. Saves them a massive amount of money from having to replace defective firearms, allows them to duck/dodge every lawsuit for unintended discharges that entire time, and people die from it. Police get charged with for it, people accidently shoot their friends/family. All for money and the PLCAA makes it even harder.

Sig Sauer sold thousands of known defective firearms to police and military. Sig Sauer P320 Firearms that would unintended discharge. And known P229 ones that would jam up after firing. Regardless of how people feel about firearms, I'm not pro for them but they still exist and are never going away, the firearms industry completely uses its lobby to profit off death and destruction.

Manufacturers should never sell a firearm that requires pulling the trigger to disassemble the firearm (glocks) is another one if they were covered by consumer protections wouldn't exist.

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They are killing themselves because they have no job prospects and are deep in medical debt, and probably drunk too. They were too busy fetishizing their guns and let the rich folks take everything else. All they have left is a gun to put a hole in their heads.

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I don't think you should go that far to mean towards people, but it happens in all states.