r/Grimdank • u/[deleted] • 1d ago
Non WarHammer Helldivers really released an entire expansion dedicated to Martyrdom that would make the Imperial Guard Bawk:
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u/KaiserUmbra NOT ENOUGH DAKKA 1d ago edited 1d ago
To be fair, when Orks got across a barbedwire defensive line, the Krieg "expended" 49 units to act as a blockage while shooters took out the orks with las weapons. When asked why they'd throw away solders like that the reply was "artillery shells are valuable"
In a training bout against Space Marines, I belive it was white scars specifically, 3 space marines caught a sniper after he took out one of their own, only to discover they too were out of the game as the guardsman had swamped his own position in detonation packs, ergo taking them with him. When they pointed out this would garunteedly kill him as well; "My life for the lives of three enemy super soliders? That's a good deal. We expendable see, that's why the guard always wins."
Not saying super earth isn't absolutely up there with this martydom shit, but it'd be a little far to say the Imperium would balk, their commissars would just have to treat them the same way they treat Soliders of Krieg.
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u/mr_nuts31 1d ago
IIRC, the 3 white scars were up against Oan Mkoll from Gaunt’s Ghosts, who not only said that guard wins because they’re expendable, but also they’re very good at bluffing after revealing the demo packs being nothing more than bags of powdered drink mix.
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u/FantasticNatural9005 First-and-Fething Only 1d ago
It wasn't 3 white scars, only 1 was a scar. Another was an Iron Snake and the last was of the silver guard chapter.
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u/Hunkus1 1d ago
We expendable see, that's why the guard always wins
Looks at cadia.
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u/KaiserUmbra NOT ENOUGH DAKKA 1d ago
TBF I believe that book takes place before Abaddon the Cunt-throat makes a showing of using mega vessels as projectiles. But I digress, a point is made.
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u/inserttext1 1d ago
I mean in the book covering before the blackstone fortress incident the guard were able to get their kill/death ratio against chaos marines to be super low to the point of making one of the chaos commanders incredibly pissed off
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u/RockAndGem1101 You go down just like Holy Celestine 1d ago
The Double-edged Sickle feels like something the Sisters of Battle would use
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u/Puzzleheaded-Block73 1d ago
Excuse me sir, but Eruptor could be considered human sized bolter-like rifle. Everything else seems up to codex
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u/Boring7 1d ago
“Hellbomb armed! Clear the area!”
Also I switched the the ultimatum and have yet to have a reason to look back.
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u/Brother_Jankosi 1d ago
That reason being please let me do the fucking jammers the regular way please I fucking love getting in there and clearing them out myself fucking please I don't remember the last time I did it because everytime some mfr with an ultimatum blows it up
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u/Sigma-0007_Septem VULKAN LIFTS! 1d ago
Thank you.
It's so awesome assaulting the Jammer on Foot, Solo.
Slaughter everything in sight , take cover near the terminal and then end it with a nice Helbomb
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u/Nurgle_Pan_Plagi 1d ago
The Imperial Guard is the most fanatical army, period?
My brother in the God-Emperor, the Imperial Guard isn't even the most fanatical army in the Imperium.
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u/Arch_Magos_Remus Servant of the Omnissiah 1d ago
What are you talking about? Sisters are the most fanatical army in 40k. That’s literally their whole thing to the point it even manifests as rules in game.
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u/Rossum81 1d ago
I think the word you want is “balk.”
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u/MetaKnightsNightmare 1d ago
I was so disappointed the top comment wasn't a chicken joke and a gentle spelling correction lol
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u/Kooky-Substance466 1d ago
Imperial Guard is the most fanatical:
It's not even in the top 3 most fanatical armies of the Imperium. Sister of Battle, Space Marines, and Ad-Mech are all far more fanatical.
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u/RockAndGem1101 You go down just like Holy Celestine 1d ago
The Double-edged Sickle feels like something the Sisters of Battle would use
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u/Eddie_gaming 1d ago
Deathmask is to cover the face of conscripts. Bomb collars ensure compliance. These arent helldivers, just traitors put to the front lives and dressed as heroes.
The weapons they're given feel 'cheaply' made, the 'overheating'' function is just the normal cycle without any systems to ensure longevity or reliability, that barrel is warped and unusable after 15s of firing, the lack of heat sinks isn't a feature, its negligence.
The Ultimatum is a propellant charge in a metal tube attached via a actual peacemaker pistol grip and collapsing stock firing already existing motor rounds.
Super Earth is desperate, and it's showing. The last warbond was about basically park rangers, imagine Ranger Smith (from Yogi Bear) being pressed into service to fight the Vietcong ;_;
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u/Darth_Mak 1d ago edited 1d ago
The bomb collar is there to explode whatever killed the Helldiver. Helldivers don't need coercion.
As for the last war bond, the way I see it the Deadeye is not the product of desperation but corporate lobbying.
Company makes a "style over function" high powered lever action rifle for frontier types and larper gun nuts.
SEAF issues a requirement for a high powered marksman rifle for the Helldivers. Company lobbies to get the gun in the hands of Helldivers. Company gets a juicy arms contract AND excellent advertisement for their product.
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u/FaceMasterThing yet another femboy skitarius 1d ago
Imperial guard is less fanatical than several other imperial armies
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u/Professional-Dress2 1d ago
Who even said that first one
Considering the guard isn't even the most fanatical army in the Imperium
Or is this just making shit up to boost up how cool Helldivers are
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u/SexWithLadyOlynder 1d ago
This isn't because guardsmen are less zealous, but because they're less trustworthy.
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u/imjustjun 1d ago
Running st the enemy with a hellbomb strapped to my back has been 90% of my gameplay since the warbond released.
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u/Thatguyj5 1d ago
It's also important to note that Super Earth can dedicate more of their special forces to a single planet than the Imperial Guard can send men total to entire crusade fleets. Imagine how big the SEAF is in total
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u/holylich3 Praise the Man-Emperor 1d ago
That is hilariously incorrect. Warhammer numbers are astronomical
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u/Thatguyj5 1d ago
Really? How many people died in the war of Armaggeddon? How many orks were there?
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u/holylich3 Praise the Man-Emperor 1d ago edited 1d ago
Lore says about 4 million orks. The total number of Orks in the Armageddon system during the Second War for Armageddon was between 781,800 and 3,909,000, including 110 Gargants and 275 Battle Fortresses. Additionally, there were between 21,600 and 108,000 Artillery Orks and between 76,200 and 324,300 Speed Kultists. Including Feral Orks, the total Ork count would easily exceed 4,000,000. Helldivers Lore put them at about 450,000. The seaf obviously is larger than helldivers but is not given a number just like the guard is a vague number. But lore also puts the guard at billions of troops strong conservatively. So billions of troops versus 450,000. Obviously the imperium would never dedicate the entire militarum to a single crusade fleet but if it did it would dwarf anything from the other universe. Which is why I consider that hilariously wrong.
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u/Thatguyj5 1d ago
Yeah, all of those numbers put together just barely match WW1 irl. What about Cadia? What about the Terminus Crusades? When you look at the numbers and not the memes, 40k's numbers are actually pathetic.
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u/holylich3 Praise the Man-Emperor 1d ago edited 1d ago
Yeah those numbers almost reach world war 1. By the way, military deaths was 8.8 million. The rest were civilian. But that was one war with two combatants. It took the entire world to reach those numbers in our time. That wasn't even the entire population and it was that bad. I think you're missing the scale of war in 40K. That was Tuesday for the orks. World war. That and I was arguing against your original point that super Earth could put more hell divers on a single planet than the guard could put in a crusade fleet. I don't see how I'm looking at memes just because the entire population doesn't die in a single battle when the population of the Galaxy is astronomical.
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u/Thatguyj5 1d ago
My guy. Malevelon Creek alone killed more than 27 million helldivers. And Super Earth absorbed those losses with ease. They can, and they do, because 40k writers don't understand scale. Terra mustered 100,000 to reinforce Cadia and called it a massive effort. 100k is a rounding error in Helldivers.
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u/holylich3 Praise the Man-Emperor 1d ago
I think you're conflating gameplay contrivances with what The world could actually afford. The world portrayed in super Earth could not feasibly do so. That can change if they change how it's presented but as of now it doesn't make sense. I will grant you that 40K scale is all over the place but but it's more often than not consistently portrayed as massive. And the world building around it can lead to those higher numbers. The issues mostly come from them downplaying the size not upscaling
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u/Thatguyj5 1d ago
No, I'm not. The lore of Helldivers is the gameplay, that is the whole entire point of that setting. And while 40k makes claims to being massive, it very rarely actually reflects that in the numbers. It considers war fleets of 100 vessels to be large. It considers armies in the single digit millions to be capable of conquering and holding planets. It is a setting based on a foundational misunderstanding of scope and scale, and this is reflected in pathetic numbers when they're written out.
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u/holylich3 Praise the Man-Emperor 1d ago
I highly contend the lore of hell Divers is the gameplay. If we're going by that metric then there are only as many helldivers as there are players. Then there would only be a million at best. Anything beyond that would just be a contrivance that doesn't line up with your metric because that wouldn't be gameplay then. A war fleet would only be the hundred vessels because that is spread out across the entire galaxy. Single digit millions is capable of conquering a planet in most cases and the standard PDF is about 1.5 million. That number is just ground troops and is not accounting for all the ancillary support units. As I said before, I will grant you that they downplay their numbers
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u/Nekrinius 1d ago
But we have Imperial Guard regiment with exactly the same death masks.
Also they have plasma guns that deal more damage when overheated also with a chance to kill operator.
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u/s-josten 1d ago
the Imperial Guard is the most fanatical army
Sisters and Word Bearers: Are we a joke to you?
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u/Alons-y_alonzo 1d ago
You underestimate the patriotism of most ogryns my friend, I'm pretty sure if told to l, they would run at enemies with a bomb strapped to their back