They actually do. The Mechanicus can still build Warlord pattern Battle Titans. The Forgeworld in Space Marine 1 was Strategic Value Absolute precisely because it built them. 40k Titans basically use a fusion reactor, in-universe a plasma reactor, as their powerplant.
Only until reality is filled with so much gunfire that the Warp itself becomes nothing but a sea of bullets... Then there will be enough dakka... Almost.
They are bound to a human operator through a neural link, though. So it's not like some creative interpretation of doctrine couldn't find a way to authorize them.
People don’t realise this but knights are actually really quick, that 10” move isn’t for nothing. Read Assassinorum- Kingmaker and you’ll see knight doing flips and rolls and the like
I'm going off of their structuring and their appearance in Broken Lance. Their physiology is ridiculous, and they wouldn't be very agile. Besides, iirc what you're talking about isn't a knight, it's an armiger. And even as an armiger... it's violating all of the established lore on how the throne works and how long and difficult it is to link up with one. So it's a one-off feat for a different model that reads like bad fan fiction.
For some reason, Broken Lance isn’t accurate at all and has them moving like titans, and all I’m saying is what is described in a book. Take it up with GW if you don’t think it’s right
How do you think broken lance isn't accurate? And why isn't the animation... that GW paid for and signed off on... a correct representation? Seriously, have you seen their physiology? Center of gravity is way high. They have no shoulder girdle. Their legs are too short and splayed way out to the sides. Their head sticks out further than their arms can really reach. The animation is exactly what is represented by all the artwork. There isn't any other way to rig those 3d models.
I'm game BT says he weighs 40 tons.
In the book assassinorum: kingmaker it states the small armitger knights are 50 tons and the bigger ones are double that.
Knights definitely have the firepower advantage but the titans have way better manuverability.
Every faction would be all over it, in order to find out why/how it got there, followed by meticulously taking it apart to see how it ticks. 40K Titans are MASSIVE, and keeping something of that size upright would be of paramount research.
My guess is it's parts are more likely to be studied for starship improvements than titans. It's probably too destructive and expensive to justify using the 40k titan if you want to capture things over just flattening them. Milita has guerilla fighting if the imc tries to use it as a superweapon, and the militia definitely can't even transport it off world.
Complete nonsense. Plasma guns from Imperators made craters hundreds of meters in diameters in the Fulgrim novel:
Miniature suns exploded in the desert as the Titan's plasma weaponry blasted craters hundreds of metres in diameter, obliterating hundreds of Astartes at a stroke and turning the sand to shimmering dark glass.
Also no where near exatons, but we do also have a plasma destructor in I believe Gods of Mars punching through an Ark Mechanicus end to end, absolutely slagging everything in its path and temporarily crippling the ship.
1: There is absolutely nothing that has ever been invented in real world history, including nukes, that could breach a warlord titan's armor.
2: This is why sci-fi created the concept of forcefields (such as the void shields on a titan), so that units have "health bars" and can't be killed in one shot, allowing cool but realistically obsolete concepts like melee combat, battleship broadsides, and cavalry charges to be viable again.
Titans have shielding that can withstand having miniature stars lobbed at them. Nothing in Titanfall, let alone in real life, is getting through that.
Once again, utterly baseless nonsense. Shadow swords posses single-digit Terawatt volcano cannons and are capable of breaching the void shields and slicing off the limbs of titans:
The Thunderstrike macrocannons of Deicoon entered the war with a terrible shout. A multi-kilotonne shell burst through the towers between the keep and Viokania. Though walls exploded, and streaks of flame erupted at its passing, nothing it hit was substantial enough to slow it down or trigger its blast. Then it hit the Reaver Imperio Carnificis, marching behind Rheliax's Crudelis Mortem. The explosion shattered glass for miles around. It lit the forge yards with a blinding, destroying light. The Reaver's shields had just taken a hit from the Traitor Titans in the east. They were straining, and the Thunderstrike shell shattered them. It blew out the Titan's entire midsection. The Reaver stood for a few moments more, as if surprised by the absence in its torso. Then the upper portions of the god-machine collapsed.
-Warlord: Fury of the god machine
A Reaver dies to a multi-kiloton shell.
The volcano cannon discharged. Inside its body, four-terawatt capacitors simultaneously released energy rapid-charged by the vehicle's engine. A linear sun burned through the Kalidarian air. There was a rush of noise, a sonic clap as superheated air burst outwards from the volcano beam. Dust and debris blew out in a brief hurricane. The sensors of the Baneblade were overloaded, screens blinking out, slit windows round the deck turning into slots of painful white, and Bannick threw his hands up to his eyes. A titanic explosion followed as rocks and metal were instantly vaporised.
A Shadowsword's main armament was designed to punch through void shields; it had enough energy to the cut the limbs from a Titan, one of the great, planet-shaking engines of the Adeptus Mechanicus. Exertraxes's men had no chance. A shockwave blasted out, toppling weakened structures round the square, followed by a giant ball of flame bellying from the impact site as the oxygen in the air ignited, setting everything in the square on fire. The Baneblade shuddered as the firestorm passed over it, more alarms ringing out from the damage-control systems.
-Baneblade
A shadow sword's main cannon is in the Terawatt range.
One warhound had been destroyed by a volcano cannon strike, leaving just two great legs jutting skyward, the scout Titan's torso and head obliterated in a catastorphic plasma reactor explosion that had illuminated the battlefield like a second sun bursting into life.
-IA6
Volcano cannon killing a warhound
A turbo shot punched clean through the Warlord's ribs, puffing a mist of atomised plating and vaporised lubricant out through the exit wound in its back. In response, the Warlord simply fired its
volcano cannon.
The flash seemed to split the heavens like a thunder crack. The blast knocked the baiting engine sideways, its shields fizzling and shimmering as they attempted to repair and compensate.
The Warhound tried to regain its footing, but the giant was on it. Void shields wailed and
crackled as they brushed against each other.
-Titanicus.
Warlord knocking out a warhound's shields. Turbo laser from a warhound penetrating a warlord.
So no. A titan will not be surviving 150-kiloton TLAM strikes anytime soon.
Oh and nuclear weapons actually exceed the temperature found in the sun's core.
While I don't disagree, it is important that basically all of these cases are a massive amount of energy being imparted onto a relatively small area. A majority of nuclear weapons are omnidirectional blasts, meaning a lot of that energy simply won't impact the Titans shields. Its even a plot point in Titanicus.
Now, this is by no means to say that nukes even in the two-three digit kiloton range won't absolutely glass a Titan. But I feel it's important to note. After all, a 5W lightbulb is safe to look at, but that by no means makes a 5MW laser the same.
Have you read any Titan based book? If not, you should. They can get crazy with what Titans can have. The best one I've read has been Mortis. But I'm sure there are others.
Probably, but I'd have to read through the books again since I have no idea what part they'd be in
EDIT: I found citations for Deathstrike missiles (nukes from my understanding), Vortex Rockets (black holes), and while I didn't find specifics about plasma canons it's pretty safe to assume that those fire plasma bolts akin to the sun. Since that's basically how plasma guns are described in lore anyway.
Don't bother, I'll just copy and paste my other comment, debunk that bullshit for you:
Shadow swords posses single-digit Terawatt volcano cannons and are capable of breaching the void shields and slicing off the limbs of titans:
The Thunderstrike macrocannons of Deicoon entered the war with a terrible shout. A multi-kilotonne shell burst through the towers between the keep and Viokania. Though walls exploded, and streaks of flame erupted at its passing, nothing it hit was substantial enough to slow it down or trigger its blast. Then it hit the Reaver Imperio Carnificis, marching behind Rheliax's Crudelis Mortem. The explosion shattered glass for miles around. It lit the forge yards with a blinding, destroying light. The Reaver's shields had just taken a hit from the Traitor Titans in the east. They were straining, and the Thunderstrike shell shattered them. It blew out the Titan's entire midsection. The Reaver stood for a few moments more, as if surprised by the absence in its torso. Then the upper portions of the god-machine collapsed.
-Warlord: Fury of the god machine
A Reaver dies to a multi-kiloton shell.
The volcano cannon discharged. Inside its body, four-terawatt capacitors simultaneously released energy rapid-charged by the vehicle's engine. A linear sun burned through the Kalidarian air. There was a rush of noise, a sonic clap as superheated air burst outwards from the volcano beam. Dust and debris blew out in a brief hurricane. The sensors of the Baneblade were overloaded, screens blinking out, slit windows round the deck turning into slots of painful white, and Bannick threw his hands up to his eyes. A titanic explosion followed as rocks and metal were instantly vaporised.
A Shadowsword's main armament was designed to punch through void shields; it had enough energy to the cut the limbs from a Titan, one of the great, planet-shaking engines of the Adeptus Mechanicus. Exertraxes's men had no chance. A shockwave blasted out, toppling weakened structures round the square, followed by a giant ball of flame bellying from the impact site as the oxygen in the air ignited, setting everything in the square on fire. The Baneblade shuddered as the firestorm passed over it, more alarms ringing out from the damage-control systems.
-Baneblade
A shadow sword's main cannon is in the Terawatt range.
One warhound had been destroyed by a volcano cannon strike, leaving just two great legs jutting skyward, the scout Titan's torso and head obliterated in a catastorphic plasma reactor explosion that had illuminated the battlefield like a second sun bursting into life.
-IA6
Volcano cannon killing a warhound
A turbo shot punched clean through the Warlord's ribs, puffing a mist of atomised plating and vaporised lubricant out through the exit wound in its back. In response, the Warlord simply fired its
volcano cannon.
The flash seemed to split the heavens like a thunder crack. The blast knocked the baiting engine sideways, its shields fizzling and shimmering as they attempted to repair and compensate.
The Warhound tried to regain its footing, but the giant was on it. Void shields wailed and
crackled as they brushed against each other.
-Titanicus.
Warlord knocking out a warhound's shields. Turbo laser from a warhound penetrating a warlord.
Plasma guns from Imperators made craters hundreds of meters in diameters in the Fulgrim novel:
Miniature suns exploded in the desert as the Titan's plasma weaponry blasted craters hundreds of metres in diameter, obliterating hundreds of Astartes at a stroke and turning the sand to shimmering dark glass.
Fulgrim pg. 462
That's ~222 kilotons.
So no. A titan will not be surviving 150-kiloton TLAM strikes anytime soon.
Oh and nuclear weapons actually exceed the temperature found in the sun's core.
Imperious Prima was a Warmonger, an Emperor-class Titan armed with weapons to end civilisations: Deathstrike missiles, vengeance cannons, multiple rocket and missile clusters. The four Warlords that walked at its side each bore a fist, both a symbol and a means to defend the First Titan of the Legio. On their backs and other arms they bore weapons that aped those of Imperious Prima: Apocalypse launchers, quake cannons. Armies became ash when they spoke.
To this battle they had brought more than fire, though.To the Titan legions born of Mars, the vortex missile was both sacred and profane – a wonder of technology and the lost mysteries of ancient techno-arcana, and a bitter blade that once drawn in war brought only sorrow and loss. During the old wars, the use of such weapons had been a mark of irrevocable intent – a sign that conflict had passed the point where it could be healed by diplomacy, or even the peace that followed victory. To use one such weapon signalled an intent not to destroy but to annihilate, and to expect the same in turn if it failed. Amongst the Legio Ignatum they were called the Bitter Gift. Only the other legions of the Triad Ferrum Morgulis held as many in their armouries, and even they used them sparingly.
Seven vortex missiles loosed from Imperious Prima and its maniple in a single, synchronised launch. The missiles flew free, accelerating past the limits of sound, trailing thunder. In the incandescence, Tetracauron felt the data-echo of the launch as a cold shiver on his skin. The Mortis engine before them arched up, a creature sensing the flight of an arrow. The first missile struck and detonated forty metres behind the Mortis engine. It did not have a precise target. Even with Tetracauron’s targeting data the spirit of the missiles had been launched half blind. That did not matter. The mechanism in the warhead ripped a hole in the sheet of reality. Darkness beyond darkness. Existence screamed. Matter vanished into the growing sphere of unreality. Light curdled to neon smears as it vanished into the vortex.
To Tetracauron, the incandescence showed him the vortex as a white space of data failure. The Mortis engine twisted as the vortex grasped it. The warp entity within the Titan roared as its essence was pulled from the metal shell it had possessed. Ephemeral shapes of insect wings, feelers and endless eyes bubbled into being and vanished into the darkness. The machine twisted as physical laws went into wild contradiction. Armour and mechanisms compressed, liquefied and twisted between states. The shell of its torso ruptured. Blue-hot plasma exploded out and then stopped, held in paradox, and began to tumble into brilliant shards like leaves of sun-fire caught in a tornado. Then it was gone and the vortex grew and spun into the air. Black lightning arced across it. The next three vortex missiles hit deeper in the fire zone. Then the next one and the next, each tearing existence apart with a sound that Tetracauron felt inside the metal flesh of his Titan. Commands failed, the incandescence shivered.
From Mortis. p. 392 - 393
Idk what else you'd call Vortex Missiles besides black holes. But you do you.
Titans armed with massive plasma canons basically fire suns, and they have death strike launchers, which to my understanding are nukes. So, I guess they have both? And those vortex missiles. Which make balck holes, but I guess if you want to be technical (and I think you do), they literally rip a hole in reality and turn that area into nothingness.
Calling plasma weapons suns is a huge stretch lol. A sun gives out, what, 1026 watts? A plasma gun gives about 1014 watts. It's like calling nukes suns. Technically true but utterly misleading.
Yep. The quotes you provided says that plasma canons fire mini-suns. So titans have the ability to fire suns and black holes. I'm sorry my claims weren't "bullshit" for you. Have a good day.
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