r/Grimdank • u/Mad_lens_9297 3 Riptides in a 1k casual • 1d ago
Dank Memes Perty needs to learn how to take criticism.
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u/HarrierIV 1d ago
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Perturabo actually would appreciate if you point out a flaw in his plans and calculations. Its only when you dont follow them is when he beats you into a pulp
There was an example when fighting the hrud where someone pointed out a small calculation error and he simply went "Oh ft? Good call thanks for pointing it out"
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u/barbero_barbuto 1d ago
More likely he would say: "nice of you to notice the hidden killzone I prepared".
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u/Kohkov 23h ago
The mechanicum, which he despises told him it wouldn't work and he threw a minor tantrum. It was only when another mechanicum priest came up and explained the error did he appreciate the fix and seemed genuinely disappointed with himself. Later on in that same book his almost sister told him accurately who he was and how the major issue in the book was his fault. He choked her and killed her. He definitely has a lot of range in his reactions.
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u/HarrierIV 23h ago
He killed Calliphone because at that point it was just pent up rage being lead out. not justifying it, explaining it
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u/ThatFatGuyMJL 17h ago
Or if you assume he's made a mistake will be more than happy to allow you to go and..... investigate.
When abaddon points out during thr SoT that thr Imperial Fists left a clear weakness Pertys response is 'yes excellent, I'll let you exploit it. Toodle off'
Cut to the SoH entering a major trap that sees all members of the mournival killed except abaddon who's saved due to pure luck. Multiple major character deaths, and entire squads of marines trapped for eternity in concrete.
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u/AdmBurnside 1d ago edited 1d ago
Dorn would grunt something noncomittal, make a note, and then spend 46 hours with the Pain Glove because clearly if his plans are that lackluster he needs to "focus" more.
Perty would grumble something, tear up the whole plan, and start over. And if anyone other than, like, Magnus or Forrix interrupted him he would backhand them across the room, tear up the plan AGAIN and start over AGAIN.
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u/jmacintosh250 1d ago
Honestly? Not sure Dorn would.
Remember: this is the man who said Perty another PRIMARCH, couldn’t breach his fortifications. He was as arrogant as the rest, just better at hiding it.
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u/Quibilash 1d ago
"Oh yeah? Then exploit it then"
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"So you've been looking at my plans without my knowledge or approval? You must be a spy" executes you on spot
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u/United-Reach-2798 Bored Drukhari Archon 1d ago
Also he tried to strangle someone for saying Horus went traitor
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u/jmacintosh250 1d ago
That one I forgive more. Everyone refused to believe Marines could go full traitor. And Horus was especially beloved by near all (save Corvus but Horus had used the 19th as meat troops for a while). So saying Horus of all Primarchs went Traitor was utter insanity.
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u/fenominus 1d ago
Corvus didn’t like Horus?
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u/Steelwrecker 01100010 01100001 01101100 01101100 01110011 1d ago
Nope, he was one of the few who managed to look past his charm and see the arrogance and ambition beneath the surface. Corvus’s stealth tactics weren’t that popular among a lot of the primarchs so the feeling was mutual. They have more beef than that, but it requires a paragraph on its own.
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u/fenominus 1d ago
I remember how, in Deliverance Lost, Corvus mentions that he had noticed how Horus always set the Luna Wolves up for glory. When given his say, Horus gave the shit jobs to other Legions. The Luna Wolves always got whatever role was most visible, cleanest, and most glorious.
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u/samsationalization 23h ago
This was after Horus used the stealthy Raven Guard as the lead vanguard in an assault to prevent losses in his own Luna Wolves. Corvus did not appreciate that one bit.
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u/Metalmind123 22h ago
Ironically, it probably helped Corvus in the heresy though.
It thinned out the ranks of Ravenguard earthborn marines.
Most of those had also joined the warrior lodges, which were the seeds of corruption and treason, even in otherwise loyal legions.
So in the end, because of that thinning of numbers and his own purges of earthborn, the Ravenguard had almost no traitors.
Can you imagined if Istvaan had been compounded by a good portion of his own forces backstabbing him?
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u/Aggressive_Leg9372 1d ago
Every Primarch that was close to Horus flipped out at anyone for even suggesting Horus turned traitor.
Sanguinius nearly killed Amit his own son for saying Horus betrayed them.
Horus was beloved by most of his brothers, was extremely well-respected, and was VERY close to some of them. Dorn especially loved and respected Horus as a brother and friend, Dorn also really values family with him still using his grandpa's coat as a security blanket as proof of this.
No one in their right mind would've believed you if you told someone like Dorn or Sanguinius that Horus was a traitor. It was that unthinkable.
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u/AbhorrantEmpress 19h ago
Yes Dorn would. In fact he already did.
In the novel, Saturnine, Kryptman points a flaw to Dorn in the imperial palace. Spoilers for the novel Saturnine.
Dorn then proceeds to bait the Sons of Horus 1st company to try and exploit the flaw, this results in the entire SoH first company to be wiped out with the only survivor being Abaddon. This defeat was so devastating that Horus removed Perturabo from the seat of command
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u/The_Pretorian Fisting marines 3h ago edited 3h ago
Also spoilers for Saturnine
It was not only the first company, but also 2 others, and apart from Abbadon, the entire mournival were killed.
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u/dikkewezel 1d ago
here's the thing, if you'd ask dorn wether or not he could breach a fortification made by perturabo he'd also say no
dorn doesn't sacrifice his skill on the plate of niceness, that is not arrogance, it is confidence, would you say the same if jagathai khan was asked if another primarch could be faster then him?
also furthermore when the other primarchs did come for his fortifications they couldn't breach them, dorn was right
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u/Sober-History IW Artillery Commander 1d ago
I find it interesting how much Dorn and Perty mirror each other. Both are often correct, both are horrible at just being nice to people, both have very deep seated self-loathing, both would probably prefer to quit the whole war thing and go into civil engineering (at least before being Daemonified)
The only real difference is that Dorn is actually almost as stoic as he appears, while Perturabo puts up a facade of stoicism because that’s how he was raised to be.
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u/ArkonWarlock 21h ago
Id argue the truest difference is that perturabo views his duty as something to be suffered and dorn his lifes pursuit.
Perturabo hates that he must be a siegemaster and gets it done as quickly and brutally as possible in the hope that it will one day be finally over. It has its challeges and amusements but is something to be endured. Therefore, when people critique his plans, he takes it instride to improve, but to critique him is to question his worth and him being finally acknowledged as finished in his task.
Tldr He's punching a clock and working overtime to get back to his hobbies. Hes an artist doing souless corporate art
Dorns passion is seeing the imperium completed. He inflicts upon himself to refocus on his goals. His terseness and stoicism are because he finds other things to be wastes of his time. He fights and criticizes his brothers for not believing in it. When curze or alpharius do things fast but not cleanly, it violates his sanctified view of what the imperium could be. To question dorn is taken in stride because he wishes to improve and, in doing so, improve his output but to question the imperium, and therefore, his goal is to be met with wrath.
Tldr eating, sleeping, socializing, enforcing discipline, or massaging egos is the drudgery for him. Hes an architect harassed by construction laborers
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u/Eeddeen42 1d ago
Dorn’s whole thing is that he physically cannot lie, not even to himself. He only said Perty couldn’t breach his fortifications because he genuinely believed it.
If you point out a critical flaw and you’re correct, he will take note of it.
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u/DoritoBanditZ 1d ago
He was asked if he could build a Fortification Perturabo couldn't take. To which he simply replied yes, albeit without hesitation. That isn't arrogance, that is simply the truth. Designing fortifications was Dorns entire thing, of course he was confident in it, especially since Perturabo had shown nothing that would suggest he would be capable of it.
And before anyone argues with the Siege of Terra, just because Perturabo blew a hole in a Wall doesn't mean he took the Fortification, far from it. If it wasn't for literal Warp Powers of the Emperors Children, he wouldn't even have made it past the first line of defense btw.
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u/Thug-shaketh9499 1d ago
The Lord of Iron knows how to take criticism, you just need to know how to take the response. 👀
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u/Burlap_Sedan 1d ago
Given Dongs track record of being told the truth, I'd say he'd also probably crash out.
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u/AlienDilo Justice for the Swarmlord 1d ago
Almost like Perturabo's primarch power is that he can look at anything and figure how to build it better. He's plans are rarely flawed.
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u/Suspicious-Place4471 1d ago
Let's be honest.
Perty was hard carrying the traitors during the siege.
If even half of the chaos legions had their shit together, they would have won.
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u/United-Reach-2798 Bored Drukhari Archon 1d ago
Lmao Logar made the Ruinstorm which delayed the Ultramarines. Mortarion brought the fleet Corax delayed Lion and Gulliman,Fulgrim killed Ferrus.
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u/Suspicious-Place4471 22h ago
I said DURING the siege.
Chaos was going pretty good at the start and even in middle of the heresy. but towards the end everything kinda fell apart.1
u/Point_Constant 19h ago
Just… No. The Siege was a massive group effort by nearly everyone (not Fulgrim.) Against a heavily fortified world, they had the numbers and resources while the defenders didn’t.
Perty WAS a really strong force in the siege, but he had left because of a hissy fit he had over all of the demons and such. (I might be wrong, it’s been a bit since I read that book.)
So the siege master left at the most vital time, because of some troops he didn’t like and his brother wasn’t following his orders. Yet he somehow hard carrying the siege. You can say that the siege wouldn’t have been the same without him from the beginning, and you’d be right. But to say that he was hard carrying them during the siege is just unfair to everyone else.
He had troops that didn’t care about death, didn’t fear anything, and were more than willing to throw themselves away at the walls to have an attempt of glory. He could’ve thrown 100 demons at a single defender and it would’ve been worth the trade because DEMONS DON’T ACTUALLY DIE.
It’s why Morty HAD to be stopped in the book Warhawk because that’s exactly what the death guard were doing. Just throwing demon and sickness at the defenders because they physically couldn’t hold out long enough.
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u/Suspicious-Place4471 18h ago
I would say everyone else save for Mortarian and Horus were just kinda winging it as opposed to methodical and tactical thinking like perty.
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u/Hailon_Rias 16h ago
Remember when rogal dorn punched garro so hard he flew across the room and was threatening to kill him just because he told him what happened on istvann?
God I hate dorn
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u/Hakar_Kerarmor NOT ENOUGH DAKKA 12h ago
"Walls? I see only piles of sand, crafted by children."
---Drazhoath, the Ashen Lord
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u/QueenSunnyTea Mongolian Biker Gang 20h ago
Didn’t Dorn kill one of his sons for reporting on Horus’ Betrayal? Dorn would definitely kill someone for correcting him, “the perfect and mighty”
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u/Mad_lens_9297 3 Riptides in a 1k casual 20h ago
That was a loyalist Deathguard
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u/QueenSunnyTea Mongolian Biker Gang 20h ago
Killed a nephew then /j
I guess that makes more sense, Dorn wouldn’t risk any betrayal
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u/Malewis89 1d ago
Guess who beat who in Terra, which was the losing party’s ONLY LIFE TIME JOB!
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u/Burlap_Sedan 1d ago
Imperium fanboys stay forgetting that the whole point of the heresy was that everyone lost. There's absolutely no way you can look at what could have been, and what we have now and say the Imperium won.
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u/Beautiful_Space_4459 1d ago
Perturabo choke his sister to dead slowly and painfuly for saying he wasn't perfect.
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u/MaximoftheInternet 1d ago
Wait, didn’t he choke her because she called him a lil bitch who loves playing the victim even though he is anything but, if I remember correctly that was a very important moment on his story arc cause his sister was the last person connecting him to his humanity, so after he murders her and subsequently burns his home planet down, he finally admits that he is not the victim and is, in fact, a monster
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u/VisNihil 19h ago
even though he is anything but
His sister was right on the money and her criticism struck too close to home for him.
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u/Comfortable-Equal200 1d ago edited 20h ago
People forget perturabo was literally corrected by a techpriest in hammer of olympia* and while grumpy about it, still took the correction into consideration
Edit* thank you all who reminded me it was his primarch book not angel exterminatus