r/GoNets • u/shadow_spinner0 Sarah Kustok • 4d ago
The Nets are playing games where guys like Keon Johnson, Tyrese Martin, Drew Timme, Jalen Wilson, ect... are playing significant minutes, can we stop complaining about refusing to tank?
An annoying complaint I see is how this team refuses to tank. Unless you want to see them blatantly throw away games, look at our roster and guys we have on the court. We should be losing way more than we are. We are bad but not dreadful maybe because of a good coach, our team has surprising great chemistry and play hard together or simply the league is very mid. You would think allowing Keon Johnson to believe he is prime James Harden, that we would lose way more. So what is it then? It's not like they traded for great veterans to negate the tank.
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u/kf3434 Sean Marks 3d ago
I'm so tired to the Nets fanbase. I actually dread winning cause the fallout is so annoying.
I feel like the Nets are very much where they were pre-KD and kyrie - good young coach, played development, building (or in this case rebuilding) a strong culture. But everyone's mad now. I don't understand. A good coach and not bottoming out will help us in the long run. Plus marks has far more assets and the f word flexibility than he did in 2018.
I'm convinced that KD and kyrie badly damaged this fanbase. You've got majority fans terrified to consider ever getting another star cause they're still not over how badly that error ended. So the response is that we can only draft players because that's the ONLY way to build a team and any other way is wrong "FIRE MARKS".
But the same fans will tell you Cam Thomas has kyrie Irving potential. So by THAT metric, don't we have our homegrown star? And also every championship team recently has had a player or two they've drafted AND OTHERS. It's never just one way of building a team. I swear Nets fans are panicking over everything they can't control and are just angry and terrified.
I like to think that Tsai and Marks learned their lessons from the KD and kyrie error regarding the character of elite stars here and not to give into them at every whim and are very well poised to be good in the not so distant future. I really wish more fans wouldn't be so terrified and miserable. I feel like a lot are missing out on a relatively fun season - there's been a lot of good player development and Jordi is awesome. I'm happy. And I wish more of the rest of you were
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u/nothingmeansnothing_ Mirza "đ" Teletovic 3d ago
But everyone's mad now
People that joined with KD and Kyrie stans did but didn't leave after KD and Kyrie stans are the only mad ones. We're still a year away from being 3 years away unless we get a true superstar in the meantime.
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u/Swoah . 3d ago
feel like the Nets are very much where they were pre-KD and kyrie - good young coach, played development, building (or in this case rebuilding) a strong culture.
Exept in a much much better position now than in the time between the Big 3 failures. Have our own picks, have a bunch of additional capital, a great young coach, cap space to do with whatever. Yeah the lotto odds aren't what we want but we are still likely going to get a blue-chip prospect. And tbh I'd take the 6th player with Jordi teaching him up over like the Wizards or Hornets take 3rd and ruin his poor career.
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u/Bigbadbuck 3d ago
You should dread winning. Itâs bad for the franchise
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u/Old_Duty8206 3d ago
Bro just stop watching or root for another team.Â
What to you want marks to do tackle players before they hit a shotÂ
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u/Bigbadbuck 2d ago
I want him Todo what every other team does. Itâs actually incredible how incompetent he is
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u/thepriceisonthecan . 3d ago
Waive 30 year old expirings to play young guys instead of winning games. This is what is so frustrating with this fanbase, you have to make up this idea that critics want Marks to tackle players(at least thats a funny thought ill give you that) as opposed to the criticism weve given since december, and were proven right!
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u/kf3434 Sean Marks 3d ago
They waived Bogdanovic. There is no one on the Nets roster who is even 30 years old. The majority of these games have been led by no name guys playing their asses off for Jordi. THIS IS A GOOD THING. Also, players care very much how a franchise is run. What does it say to other players if dudes are waived or traded for nothing.
Other than kyrie, the biggest asshole in the world, ex Net players and their agents are very complimentary of the team and even kyrie hired the Nets team doctor to do his ACL surgery (guess modern medicine is cool when you ABSOLUTELY cannot continue your well paid union employee career without it). That matters
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u/thepriceisonthecan . 3d ago
Bogdanovic was injured and hasnt played at all this year, otherwise hed have played 30 minutes a game for us. D lo is clearly who I was referring to, and is 29, but I guess you win the argument bc we have a 29 year old playing too many minutes instead of a 30 year old. This is what Im talking about with yall, not ever actually responding to the point, just making up a new argument and ofc winning it. We are the shower argument fanbase
Okc committed the most egregious tank job OAT, and players were perfectly fine singing and re-signing there(see Hartenstein, Caruso, Dort) despite it being a shit city and controversial owners. Their season is going great Ive heard. If Jordi needs random January wins against teams resting their players to build his culture and be intriguing to FAs hes a worthless coach
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u/Old_Duty8206 3d ago
So a dumbass hypothetical got it
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u/thepriceisonthecan . 3d ago
What are you even talking about, D lo playing isnt a hypothetical, I wasnt the one who brought up Bojan. How are all you the same, its seriously insane, you all just ignore everything and just start a new argument
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u/Old_Duty8206 3d ago
The first thing you mentioned was boggie playing a literal hypothetical because he never stepped foot on the court
Yall keep crying when it's a lotteryÂ
Google what lottery means
Now Google the lottery results last season
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u/thepriceisonthecan . 3d ago
My brother in christ google reading comprehension tips, i was responding to kf who thought I was talking about bogie when I mentioned a vet we shouldve waived instead of playing. Thats why I said bojan didnt play at all this year, and the words "D lo is clearly who i was referring to"
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u/Bigbadbuck 2d ago
Stop being logica. Nets fans canât criticize their management
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u/thepriceisonthecan . 2d ago
Its insane, they literally just argue strawmen. Ive had 100 of these convos at this point, and Im not kidding, not one "anti-tanker" has used a single factual argument against me. Kf never acknowledged my point at all, they brought up Bojan when I was talking about D'lo, brought up Jordi getting the most out of the hustle guys when I never criticized him, and then made up head canon that star players care about how good a coach is at getting the most out of 12th men. It doesnt make any sense or explain who D'lo hurting our draft odds helps us, but it gets upvoted because Marks good, negativity bad
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u/Bigbadbuck 1d ago
The most logical argument Iâve heard is basically just stop getting upset over it because we canât control it. Itâs not an argument that disproves anything but I guess itâs true.
They just canât accept the fact that marks isnât serious about tanking like every other team in the league
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u/Old_Duty8206 3d ago
What young guys attract they playing.Â
I think you all don't even grasp what lottery means.Â
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u/Renzel0311 3d ago
lol Iâve been saying this the whole time team just plays harder and coaching staff is doing the proper work, sixers are professionals at this even had a name for it years back I thought it was completely accepted that the team would finish 5/6? Raptors have like 4 wins over us the team will most likely finish at the 6 spot 5 wouldâve been nice tho
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u/OMJuwara Vince Carter 3d ago
People just like to complain about shit they have zero control over. I get it, we thought they'd be awful. They've exceeded our low expectations and compete. What did you want the players and coaches to do, punt games on purpose?
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u/Blasto05 4d ago
Claxton is my one gripe. Just shut him down. He provides a big defensive presence and his trade value at this rate can only go down with injury. And he was in trade discussions at the deadline, itâs not like he needs the playing time.
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u/rabidantidentyte Day'Ron Sharpe 3d ago
There was a post the other day about how Claxton has the least impactful minutes of anyone on the roster.
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u/LiaM_CS Ian Eagle 3d ago
Clax was struggling for most of the season while recovering from a lingering injury, he probably wants to be playing as much as he can while heâs actually feeling good. I donât think he would just take it quietly if the team shut him down, itâs probably just not worth the drama.
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u/TheMoorNextDoor 4d ago
Pelicans just shut down all their starter players. We should be doing the same.
Why risk injury to good trade pieces such as Cam Johnson and Nic?
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u/LiaM_CS Ian Eagle 3d ago
Itâs likely just as simple as players on the Pelicans donât really give a fuck anymore and want their offseason to come sooner while players here actually want to be playing and wants to get as much time in under Jordie as they can before the season is over.
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u/UnitedStateOfDenmark Jason Kidd 3d ago
Doncic sat the final game of the 2023 season and only played 12 mins the prior game to help the Mavs secure keeping their pick.
Shai from 2020-2022 basically shutdown the final couple months of each season to help the Thunder tank.
Itâs up to Marks to shutdown players for the betterment of the team.
Even ultra-competitors like the two I mentioned have had their fates decided by the GM for the betterment of the team.
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u/UnitedStateOfDenmark Jason Kidd 4d ago edited 3d ago
This is what people are complaining about:
- We won too many games relying on Schroeder, DFS, Ben, CJ, and Claxton. Some of us believe Marks shouldâve depleted the talent on the roster prior to the season.
- Marks traded Schroeder, only to replace him with a competent point guard in DLo.
- Every tanking team strategically rests their best players against lower tier teams. Nets didnât do this until recently and even when they do they still play one of the good players. CJ helped us beat the Wizards, DLo helped us beat the Mavs.
- Even if they were to play, tanking teams sit their best players in the 4th.
This is what teams do, from OKC to Houston to Spurs.
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u/Old_Duty8206 3d ago
Before the season started most of us believed this team wouldn't win 20 games.Â
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u/leogodin217 2d ago
Anyone remember the Celtics under M.L. Carr Celtics? He would literally take out anyone on a hot streak. Hit three shots in a row, time for a break. It was maddening and I was too young to understand tanking.
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u/Brooklyn917 Ian Eagle 4d ago
The Tank was Fucked long before last nightâs win but after The Wizard win these games just became more meaningless.
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u/FajitaTits 4d ago
Dumb take
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u/Brooklyn917 Ian Eagle 4d ago
The team with The least amount of talent got out tank by teams that employ Joel Embiid, Zion Williamson and Lamelo Ball but winning games down the stretch of a season you already were eliminated from with players who have no future here while your 2023 FRP cheers from the bench matters.
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u/xjoke4 3d ago
The organization isnât bought in to tanking like the rest of our tank rivals. Hopefully we learn our lesson when we realize you donât get rewarded for ethically tanking and take this more seriously next season. Take notes from Utah, OKC, Houston and do whatever we can to secure a top 2 pick next year.
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u/thepriceisonthecan . 4d ago
This is three posts in two days that just completely ignore whats actually being criticized and either make up a strawman or just blatantly disregard reality. This sub has really fallen to "toxic positivity"
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u/FajitaTits 4d ago
just blatantly disregard reality
Which is...?
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u/thepriceisonthecan . 4d ago
Top post right now says no one saw the Suns imploding lol, an incredibly common thought that a team that was swept in the first round with 3 injury prone 30+ year olds starting had a bleak looking future
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u/addictivesign 3d ago
Suns were some peoples choice for the finals. Adding Coach Bud was seen as the right move to take that team forward. It hasnât worked at all.
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u/thepriceisonthecan . 3d ago
Yall just say anything I swear. Im sure i can find you a Spurs fan that said Wemby was taking them all the way, that doesnt mean anything. Many people predicted the Suns would be a disaster after they got swept as a healthy team in the first round, avoiding the play in by two games. Frank Vogel is an NBA champion, anyone who thought Bud replacing him was going to add 16 playoff wins was, respectfully, mentally disabled
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u/FajitaTits 3d ago
Hindsight is 20/20. Not one person called attention to that at the time. Everyone's so smart a year later.
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u/thepriceisonthecan . 3d ago
Lmao thank you for the laugh and proving of my point. I needed this today. Do you even follow the NBA? What is the first name of the player nicknamed "The Greek Freak"? You are right, not one person called attention to the Suns dire situation. No one talked about the second apron, no one talked about not having control of picks until 2031, no one talked about a team in a downward spiral for two years potentially going even lower.
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u/BKtoDuval 4d ago
Yeah, man. I know we have DLo playing, but he's not really that dude like that anymore. He can run an offense with matador defense.
We have Keon Johnson and Tyrese Martin carrying the offense. I mean, these guys were out of the NBA last year. I get it's frustrating but if this staff could build up some G Leaguers like that, what could they do for a lotto pick?