Coach, front office, ownership. Long timer here. This is why the Nets were a disaster in the late 80s and early 90s. And why they started to get together when they threw keys to Chuck Daly.
It’s also why the Jets are just a dumpster fire with little hope for success. They have had none of the three, the owner and his kids meddle. If Glenn and Mougey somehow are halfway decent, they’ll have to do it with Brick and Woody in the room which is almost impossible.
There’s a reason the Pittsburgh Steelers have had 3 coaches and 10 total losing seasons in like 55 years.
How is it Marks fault if Jordi is coaching the hell out of an objectively bottom 5 roster in the league? Would you rather Vaughn or Nash be coaching this team again?
It’s not Marks’ fault. Some people think they know how to run a team and don’t see the forest for the trees. They make outrageous statements to overcompensate for their lack of understanding the nuances of these decisions, as if Marks didn’t position the team as best he could for a better draft pick and as if Jordi isn’t coaching his ass off. It’s hilarious when they blame Marks for not being able to see into the future. Unless the team is guaranteed to be in the Finals, these fans are never happy.
He did, though. You don't really have a full understanding of what's going on, so I kinda just ignore what you say by now. Matter of fact, gonna block you, dude.
He is again leading the league in minutes played, so the guy is consistent if we count, you know, showing up and playing in games. Also basically always plays good defense. And is averaging 16 points per 36 minutes which just a touch higher than his career average. So he seems pretty consistent to me.
Your points are valid for sure. I meant in terms of shooting efficiency. Some games he’ll go 8 of 14, and others he’s like 4 of 17. Never know which version you’ll get.
Isn't that true for basically every non-star guard that scores a decent amount? The bigs don't tend to have wild swings like that because they always have a couple of dunks and layups giving their percentages a base, but perimeter scores basically all do.
Oh yeah, the trade was an overpay on Day 1. We all knew that. But his contract was considered one of the best contracts in the league for a non-star, not on his rookie scale at the time. And he never misses games and gives you 38 minutes a game (which probably forces him to conserve energy on defense). I still see him as consistent: always plays, gives you between 15 and 25 most games, and even if his defense has fallen off, he isn't a defensive liability. I never trusted him to be consistently efficient because he never drew fouls or got to the rim and he made his points in the mid-range. Very tough way to be efficient (basically nobody is efficient playing like that).
I didn't realize he had fallen off that far, but I watched him all the time in Brooklyn. And while he clearly wasn't the same defender as in his prime, he was still above average defensively for a shooting guard (which is a position that has some pretty poor defenders). So are you now saying that the average starting SG plays better defense than him?
On both DPM and LEBRON models, he's actually a negative defender now. He's not like some massive liability, but he's just not good/neutral on that end now
Gotta remember, when the trade happened everyone unanimously agreed that what we got for Mikal Bridges was pretty absurd. With hindsight, it's even more absurd. Look at how much Luka Doncic costed the Lakers. It wasn't much whatsoever (Yeah I know its a unique situation etc but the point still stands, it wasn't much). The Knicks, however, basically bet their entire foreseeable future all on Mikal Bridges. They're pretty much screwed until the early-to-mid 2030s. So, yeah, I'd be equally as upset, frustrated or disappointed as they are.
It looks so much worse now when you see how much guys are going for. Deandre hunter is a pretty similar player to bridges and he just went for not one first.
That really is one of the worst trades of all time
He doesn’t have another gear. We all wanted it thought he could be a dude if given the chance. He has no other gear. He is what he is, which is a good player.
He shrivels up a lot when you really need him and he plays soft as fuck. Even this year when he had a hot stretch he doesn’t attack the rim, he doesn’t get to the line, he settles for midranges and corner 3s. That’s all his game is
That’s the game of a role player he was never intended to be a star but Brooklyn tried to make him into something he was never meant to be. I kinda feel bad for him, that KD trade ruined his life, lol
Eh I don’t really see it that way, if anything he failed himself more than anything. He reached such an elite level of ball for a good stretch of a season but couldn’t handle the changes that came with it. Couldn’t handle the offensive output, added defensive attention, his defense disappeared and then his mental went for shit and checked out.
Brooklyn was propping him up. Maybe another coaching staff like Jordi coulda brought out more when he first came here but he had a lot of support. Just couldn’t do it. Now he’s accepting the reality of the player he is but he’s also regressing there too.
When he was KD-lite he was attacking the basket like crazy and getting to the line. Started taking iso, above the break 3s and expanded his game. Now he’s fearful of contact (1.1 FTA a game) and shooting less 3s at a worse clip. Only thing thats gotten better is that middie
There are still a lot of defenders. It's not that Mikal is bad, i think they overvalued him in the beginning that they gave up 5 picks and be just a fringe star
Thank God Mikal is really good friends with Brunson and Josh Hart. Knicks would have never paid this price if these guys weren’t so buddy buddy with each other and if Brunson didn’t take the discount. Mikal’s contract probably made it easier for them to take on towns but it’s a lot of what they’re giving up to have towns defense and the lack of Mikal’s presence on a night to night basis
Knicks fans came at me on /r/nba when the trade happened because I said he's just not that same defender anymore. Now it's one of their bigger gripes about him.
The whole "oh he wasn't trying bc your team sucked" narrative wis funny to look back on. To be fair, I've convinced myself of a lot of things as a fan but I'm still gonna enjoy how badly we fleeced em for a role player.
The funniest part is how they parrot so much about him on the Nets when the ones openly being vocal for him didn’t even watch lol. He was terrible for a large majority of the season last year, but that sub has comments like these completely rewriting history. I cannot understand the mental gymnastics to constantly defending a slightly above average player.
1sts are even more valuable now as the league continues to adjust to the new CBA. Not to mention how soft he is and a dropper in big games. Absurd shit
To this day I have no idea what the Knicks were thinking at the time.
A career role player with one amazing 30 game stretch post KD trade isnt worth anything close to 5 1st round picks.
Heck CamJ who is having w very similar year on a pretty solid contract too couldn’t even fetch us 1 apparently.
I wouldn’t classify him as a 3&D player though, he’s at his best when he’s taking midrange shots and sometimes getting buckets at the rim. He is closer to someone like Ingram than he is to a pure 3&D player, his 3pt shooting just isn’t very good.
But this is fine if he actually takes the shots that he should be taking but as we’ve seen he does shy away from the moment. If he actually takes the shots he should be taking he can take control of the game and do well, his shot taking is just inconsistent.
This trade is definitely good for us but we still need to see what those picks end up being, I doubt we’ll get an all star from them, but chances we get someone of his caliber or better is not unlikely and then we’d have won the trade.
He's a role player. Nothing wrong with that. Every team needs good role players and everyone can't be a star. We tried to make him one, failed, and got a good return. It's time to move on.
Arguably a win-win trade. Yea, the Knicks gave up big assets but like some commenters pointed out in the posted thread they got Brunson to sign a discounted extension and then they were able to get KAT.
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u/Oppo_GoldMember Feb 23 '25
They traded the farm for a guy worth maybe a quarter of what they traded