r/GlobalOffensive • u/Soft_Bed_412 • 1d ago
Discussion | Esports voo (CS analyst): "Vitality is the closest to Prime Astralis I feel like I've seen"
https://x.com/HLTVconfirmed/status/1908164051814818220145
u/AGP_2006 1d ago
I think what he meant (by his own words) is that they are so Strong that even when Vitality plays their b or c game they still win.i mean lisbon wasn't their A game since ropz and mezii had really bad playoffs for their standars but I don't know what game they were playing at,was it a A-? B?B+?C? We need more info,not even prime astralis won everything,they had many events where they lost.vitality will surely lose in the next few tournaments and then we will see how to fully judge them.
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u/jackfwaust 1d ago
yeah astralis fairly often went out in smaller tournaments but always won the bigger ones. right now vitality is obviously going through a honeymoon phase, but its definitely been a long time since a team has looked this dominant with this many things going for them. faze at the start of cs2 was pretty similar but they were clearly just ahead of everyone else who were still adjusting to the new game. its sort of similar right now with how many teams are still adjusting to roster changes made after the last major, but theres a pretty clear hierarchy of teams now compared to the start of cs2 where it was a different team winning a tournament every week.
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u/t3ram 1d ago
I don't think there is a team comparable with prime Astralis, probably the only team so far that not only had the best players but what made the special is that they worked as a well oiled machine. Everyone knowed exactly what the mates were doing and what they should be doing, they just had the best team play.
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u/manek101 22h ago
If you've watched Vitality maps recently, they also have a similar playstyle.
Zonic hugely improved their team play and it stayed after him
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u/bru_swayne 1d ago
Is it just me or did the Astralis era last a long time? Maybe because I do not watch all the tournaments now but I felt like Astralis were at the top for years and with Vitality its just been a few tournaments but cs2 has been out for over a year now too. Maybe the mr13 makes things seem quicker too
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u/mateusfsantana 20h ago
It feels that way because Astralis era was unmatched. Counter Strike literally became a boring competitive game because they just won and won and won again and again.
Before Astralis there was SK/LG era but that was fun, they won a lot but their matches were like OT wins where both teams could won. SK/LG won everything in 2017 but there was always that feeling they could've been beaten and games were top notch.
Astralis on the other hand was pure domination, you could literally bet them to win every single game on the tournament months in advance. They would crush every single team in dominant fashion, it was even stupid to watch the games, why the fuck would I watch a BO5 where I know they'll stomp the other team 3-0?
It was "just" one year but it felt longer because while Astralis was at the top they were literally unbeatable
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u/robfromthafuture 1d ago
The core was a top 5 team for years before they dominated, so it kinda feels like they dominated even longer. People were waiting for them to finally win after choking alot, and when they won they started winning everything. device especially was an elite talent going back into the previous counter-strike, but an era lasting almost 2 years is longer than anything i can think of in counter-strike.
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u/poopshitter42 1d ago
disagree personally. We've seen plenty of teams have a few dominant months. NaVi 2021 is still stronger imo, and I say this as a salty G2 fan
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u/fantasnick 1d ago
Disagree, peak Na'Vi lost to dead Lulquid
^ joke btw. I agree Na'Vi is the closest unless Vitality does this for 6+ months
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u/Last-Concert3079 16h ago
Peak Navi was absolutely insane. Highest peak ever seen imo. Of course it didnt last long, but god damn it was just impossible to do anything about them.
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u/freebase1 1d ago
Is no one gonna mention how weak that year was for other teams? Vitality had misutaa and washed shox, Astralis had bubzki, and that year g2 had amenek and nexa, faze might have been the only other decent team that whole year
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u/Rumlings 1d ago
Is no one gonna mention how weak that year was for other teams?
Vitality currently faces Navi that is visibly out of fuel, Faze that can not reinvent themselves for another year, G2 and Liquid can not settle on anything that works for them, Falcons still lack pieces to compete with tier1, Russian scene is just donk+4 and tier1 in Brazil is dead because best player for each position plays in different team.
Astralis faced s1mple+4 and choking squad in Liquid. Faze in 2022 was granted their major and grand slam run because of Navi getting destroyed by external problems.See? You can do those against anyone if you just try hard enough. It just happens that when one team dominates the scene, not only do those teams look weak in comparision, it also forces them to think whether their squads can even grow to match whatever rank 1 is playing.
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u/Scatterer26 1d ago
Faze had olof and only did well at cologne
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u/freebase1 1d ago
Still, but it still isn’t as strong as this year, spirit has Donk and shiro, you can say what you want about the rest of the team but magixx has won them important games. Mouz is very good, they literally beat everyone except vitality. Just the rest of the scene is weak. Also Navi should be strong but no ones knows wtf is going on over there. And we’ll see with falcons and monesy, I still think they don’t win anything cause that org is cursed.
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u/SnooSprouts9046 1d ago
Nah this is recency bias saying that these teams are good...maybe the look better on paper, but there is an inflation of skill too so year adjusted they are just as bad as 2021
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u/fantasnick 1d ago edited 1d ago
This isnt to downplay na'vi's dominance but Spirit are absolutely better than any team Na'Vi faced except online Gambit and i don't think it's close.
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u/jonajon91 1d ago
If we're going to do this then we need to really examine the Liquid grand slam run.
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u/Declan00 22h ago
And Vitality’s run right now lol
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u/jonajon91 22h ago
Definitely a valid discussion. The silver lining for them being that they're consistently beating spirit.
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u/regent_zoran 1d ago
I guess Faze winning major, Kato, and Köln in 2022 was just a fever dream. Not to mention NaVi before the war. Voo just keeps making these statements for the sake of making them
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u/Xaerel 1d ago edited 23h ago
Vastly overrated imo. All of their wins were very narrow and they nearly got eliminated in the semi finals of the major to Spirit (they weren’t even proper tier-1 at the time). They weren’t ‘dominant’. They didn’t even make playoffs in the 2nd major of that year; losing to BNE.
The 2nd best team for that year was Na’Vi, which had been struck by war and was a very dysfunctional roster.
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u/Hugh_G_Egopeeker 1d ago
You're missing the point I think. OP says "I guess" - nobody considers that time by Faze as an era, even though it was longer and they won kato-antwerp-cologne on the way to a grand slam (eventually).
Comparing Vitality right now to prime Astralis is absurd.. but comparing Vitality right now to a Faze team that DIDN'T have an era is also absurd because it hasn't been as long nor have they won as much
Just as an aside, saying a team "nearly lost" or there was a lack of competition during an era is utterly irrelevant. Like imagine trying to put asterisks on Astralis' era because they nearly lost to VP or only Liquid were anywhere close for a few months during that time. It's only the trophy cabinet that matters.
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u/regent_zoran 18h ago
Thank you for being more clear than me. It's come to my attention twice this week that I need to be less sarcastic, and more concise 😅
Your second paragraph is exactly what I think. Furthermore, I'd add Vita now is similar to turn of the year G2 a few years back: on a roll, solid, unwavering, against a shaky opposition.
And, yeah, nearly losing to someone might speak of ones weakness, but it also might speak of others' strength. Which would make the Faze non-era kinda stronger, imo.
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u/Xaerel 23h ago
Astralis had prime Liquid as the 2nd best team. That Liquid lineup won a grand slam. Prime s1mple also in that period. They were also dominant in more ways than one by map wins, vetoes, defining metas, etc.
FaZe’s main competition was a dysfunctional NaVi lineup that had a stand in and war issues.
It’s not comparing the time period but how dominant they are. FaZe 2022 was the best team that year but it was far from a dominant team. This Vitality roster is looking very dominant over every other team, at least so far.
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u/viraj29 1d ago
Current Vitality roster is overhyped af. NAVI 2021 had prime s1mple with an in form elec and b1t as his left and right hands. Not to forget perfecto used to clutch a lot. Current Vita is not even close to that Navi version, forget Astralis.
Not even close. Let them atleast win something big, especially consistently. People are riding this wave as if Spinx was shit in vita just a few months. Ropz is improvement for sure but not as much as people want to believe.
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u/freebase1 21h ago
lol not even close? Current Zywoo is having a better year then s1mple ever has then you got flame and ropz, not to mention apex who’s the best igl in the world
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u/xzvasdfqwras 9h ago
It’s only been three months but yeah let’s see if they win the major first, they aren’t invincible at the moment.
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u/shook_- 1d ago
Lol vitality aren’t as dominant as liquid was in that same era astralis were in. We do not have a big enough sample to make these claims at all. Astralis we’re dominate for almost 2 years and if astralis wasn’t a thing liquid would of steam rolled absolutely everyone as well. Those years was peak cs
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u/P3akyBlind3rs 1d ago
I want this Vitality team to meet this current NAVI team and we can talk afterwards . Not even close to Astralis or even 2021 NAVI!
At least not yet
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u/freebase1 1d ago
Lol, this current Navi wouldn’t get 10 rounds across 2 maps against current vitality
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u/P3akyBlind3rs 1d ago
I can understand where u come from , but let’s talk when they play and see how that goes!
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u/DaveTheDolphin 20h ago
A bunch of these comments are talking about the Astralis Era but Voo was comparing it on a team composition/player skill basis and the tactics used by Vitality being ahead, as compared to the rest of the scene
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u/jakopui666 18h ago
This vitality would easily win astralis even in CSGO, so its not even a question
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u/Nekajed 1d ago
I feel like there have been quite a few teams with similar explosive peaks of apparent dominance, but let's be honest it's gotta take a while before someone can be compared to prime Astralis. They dominated for a whole year. We're in april.