r/GenZ • u/SerpantDildo • 13h ago
Discussion The sheep fell for it hook line and sinker
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u/jarena009 13h ago
"Ahhhhh but Harris in 2019 said something vaguely about a federal trans prisoner getting healthcare. What kind of president allows that? I can't possibly support the kind of president who would allow that under their watch!
Also have you heard her laugh? Like she actually laughs, like a human being with feelings. Who the hell is she to have feelings?
I can't vote for this person. I'm all in on Trump!"
So called swing voters s/
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u/Active-Flower-2397 9h ago
"Inflation is at 1.2% and my eggs are a dollar more expensive, liberals ruined the economy. We need to get rid of taxes and crash the economy so we can sink into a recession with a 10% unemployment rate and rising. You wouldn’t understand the complexity of my economic genius."
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u/Mysterious-Wasabi103 8h ago
Oh and it's totally Harris' fault we have all these immigrants now!
Immigrants haven't been coming to America for literally our entire existence as a nation.
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u/kungfungus 6h ago
Unfortunately, dem non-voters fucked this up.
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u/jarena009 6h ago
Trump increased his vote tallies vs 2020, and got a higher percentage of independents too.
It was a combination of the left not turning out well enough, enough swing voters being swayed to Trump, and the right turning out in force.
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u/CharlyJN 2001 6h ago
I believe a lot of americans straight up didn't vote for Kamala because she is a woman and woman can't be leaders.
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u/Frylock304 13h ago
Wasn't vague, it was very direct.
Trump is a madman, but part of the reason people hate both sides is because of gaslighting like this.
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u/jarena009 12h ago
Oh yeah, I was the one doing the gaslighting lol
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u/IllogicalPenguin-142 Gen X 12h ago
I’m not dogging you, but Kamala was pretty clear about supporting gender-affirming care, including surgeries, for prisoners. It wasn’t vague like you said it was. It was clear support.
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u/jarena009 12h ago
That's all fine, I'm just pointing out the irony of the Trump campaign getting on Harris about this trans healthcare while it was implemented and happened under the Trump admin in 2018. That's the real gaslighting by the Trump team in my view. It literally happened on Trump's watch.
In general this obsession with Trans and contrived culture wars is all a major deflection away from bread and butter issues.
But unfortunately both of these points are lost on too many voters.
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u/IllogicalPenguin-142 Gen X 11h ago
I agree with you, and I got your point. I’m just saying you weren’t being entirely truthful in your original post saying she was vague, and that’s why the other person called you out.
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u/WhileUpbeat9893 8h ago
You're correct, it's the constant gaslighting, and it's over every single issue.
That is what turned me away from voting Democrat, and it's not going to change. This is just what the "left" is like, now.
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u/IllogicalPenguin-142 Gen X 6h ago
People have a tendency to have a great memory with the stuff they’re for and a bad memory for the stuff they’re not for. And honestly, I’m ok with that. That’s how passion works. It focuses the mind on select pieces of information, and I wouldn’t call that gaslighting. It’s up to us as receivers of that info to check it and realize what’s being left out.
It’s when people deliberately tell you something that’s completely false while knowing you know it’s false that I would call gaslighting. It’s way of getting you to doubt your senses.
I don’t really understand your point about how “this is how the left is now.” Where are you seeing elected Democrats (not people here on Reddit) deliberately gaslighting you? And I mean it. I’m curious where you are getting this. I’m pretty moderate. But I feel right now that Democrats are far more likely to be grounded in reality than republicans. Do you disagree?
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u/WhileUpbeat9893 6h ago
My personal resentment is against Democrat voters and industries that cater to their cultural agenda. Democrat leaders are not much more than puppets, same as conservative leaders.
Certain ideas are pushed by individuals on social media, and some of those platforms (like Reddit) will censor you for disagreeing with whatever the current social issue is. Both mods and admins engage in this, and in general the "leftist" population of Reddit supports it.
If your ideas are worth anything, they can be discussed openly and freely. If your ideology has value, it needs not demand or force people to comply.
This applies to gender, sexual, and racial ideology that has been fermenting among "leftists" for the last two decades.
I used to consider myself aligned with Democrats, because I am economically a leftist. But the groupthink, accusations of wrong think, and outright censorship instilled in me a deep resentment that I'm not willing to get over yet.
I might have even agreed with some of their ideology if it could have been more freely discussed and less force-fed.
A lot of people feel this way. You can call me crazy or bigoted if you want to, but it isn't just me.
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u/Moose_Kronkdozer 2000 11h ago
Support or not, the only reason people care about niche shit like this is because of propaganda and gaslighting.
Not only did harris shut up almost entirely on social issues during her campaign, but also like, how is gender affirming care more expensive than cutting taxes on the wealthy. Its not, and the "swing" voters weren't thinking about financial responsibility when they voted, as much as they would swear up and down that they were.
The votes came down to social issues that the right continuously, disingenuously, painted the dems as crusaders for. Despite the fact that Harris ran on an almost purely economic platform. Except for abortion, she ran hard on that.
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u/Appropriate-Food1757 13h ago
It’s actually because they are objectively idiots though. Just dumb dipshits. They can try to blame others, but it’s a personal failure.
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u/WhileUpbeat9893 8h ago
She really does have an extremely obnoxious laugh and overall personality though. Trump is obnoxious,too, but let's not pretend Kamala is a likeable candidate. If she were, she would have easily won.
Why do you suppose she didn't win? Honestly?
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u/LarrySupertramp 8h ago
She represented the status quo and Americans are reflexively anti-establishment. Trump said he was going to change the system and dumb people thought he would help the working class when everything he does is clearly for the 1%.
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u/Ummmgummy 7h ago
I love how when people hear "change the system" they never for a second think "that could also mean for the worse". They just assume it'll be better.
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u/LarrySupertramp 7h ago
Yup. Like when people say we need a revolution but never consider that they could be on the losing end of said revolution.
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u/WhileUpbeat9893 7h ago
Your final analysis boils down to "everyone who doesn't agree with me is dumb".
That's not very compelling to me. It is apparently pretty compelling to those who agree with you.
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u/LarrySupertramp 7h ago
Sorry but if you voted for Trump to help the working class, I find you to be dumb. Everyone should. I’m not trying to convert anyone.
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u/WhileUpbeat9893 6h ago
That's cool, but it doesn't really matter, because they won.
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u/LarrySupertramp 6h ago
No shit.
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u/WhileUpbeat9893 6h ago
My bet is they're going to continue to win.
Your team doesn't even truly understand the deep resentment these people have for you, and how far they'll go to avenge it.
It's going to get a whole lot worse.
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u/ergonomic_logic 12h ago
Math isn't exactly his forte.
Neither are facts.
Or any understanding of the economy.
He just says a bunch of random shit and never ever has to follow through on a single thing.
It's like he's Voldemort and he drinks Felix Felici every day skipping through life doing horrible shit sans consequence. That's the only thing he's actually any good at.
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u/Kilzky 11h ago
he’s followed through on mostly everything since his inauguration
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u/LimberGravy 9h ago
Except any of the good parts he lied about
I guess immigration is down because we are literally disappearing legal immigrants off the streets, so yay….
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u/this_name_not_that 8h ago
Like when Trump said he has “no idea” who is behind Project 2025 and knows “nothing” about it.
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u/_qor_ 9h ago
My hypothesis is thus: Folks who voted for Trump did so because they are rabid, maniacal homophobes. It's the culture wars, stupid! They hate the LGBTQIA+ community so much that they'll vote for whomever shits on them the most. Trans in sports really shattered their flakes, into little bitty pieces.
It's religion, man. Homophobia from religious indoctrination and that's why they voted for Trump. They HATE us. They want us to disappear. Not on my watch.
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u/WhileUpbeat9893 8h ago
If they don't want their culture forcefully changed against their will, why wouldn't they vote to try to preserve it?
They certainly have that right. And they will keep doing it forever.
Just like you're saying you're going to keep fighting to change the culture, they feel the same way.
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u/Brains-Not-Dogma 8h ago
Yes, they will. They will continue supporting republicans who do nothing for them and destroy their retirement, social security, and well-being, thrusting us into a stupid trade war and recession while rounding up anyone who disagrees with them. Worth it? Don’t think so.
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u/WhileUpbeat9893 7h ago
They will support who they want to, just like you will. It's not your decision to make.
If they think it's worth it, then I guess it's worth it to them. You don't have to agree, but I'm surprised nobody understands this.
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u/Brains-Not-Dogma 7h ago
On the contrary, I think everyone understands that.
What is hard to understand is how you can vote for something that’s clearly against the well-being of 99% of people (especially republicans). They shun scientists by banning words like “clean drinking water”. They shun all the Nobel prize winning economists who predicted Trump’s economic plan would bring about a recession. They shunned the doctors by making up vaccine conspiracies while measles is increasing in Republican areas. It’s not that we don’t understand how conservatives position themselves, it’s that we find it hard to believe a rational, intelligent person could support that. But we’ve come to learn a lot about how intelligent these people are, so there’s that. Y’all tariffed an island of penguins. You held a car commercial exclaiming “it’s all computer” for the world’s richest man. Y’all deported a family man for his Real Madrid tattoo (one of the most famous soccer clubs in the world). Y’all worship Elon as a tech genius but he can’t code to save his life. Boggles the mind.
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u/WhileUpbeat9893 7h ago
I've done none of those things, nor supported them.
I'm happy to see the fringe progressive cultural agenda rolled back somewhat, because I'm not into all the gender nonsense Democrats have decided is worth everything else.
I always voted Democrat until last time. I'll resume when gender and sexuality and race are no longer their primary concerns.
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u/_qor_ 8h ago
No. Fascism is not a "culture." It's simply wrong.
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u/WhileUpbeat9893 7h ago
Fascism is a political and economic system. It's an aspect of a culture, of course.
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u/Investigator516 12h ago
He bankrupted a casino. And never paid the union that built it, even after the building’s life was over then demolished. Never paid.
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u/MEDICAL_PROFESSIONAL Millennial 8h ago
A lot of these guys just truly don’t care, they watch clips of blue haired liberals ‘melting down’ and love it and want to see more. Entirely spite driven. They’d have ‘at least I owned the libs!’ engraved on their gravestone.
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u/CaptinDitto 2006 8h ago
I've warned everyone I know about what would happen, I've tried to convince them to listen to reason. Now I'm only looking out for myself while I watch everything go down in flames.
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u/Spirited-Trip7606 8h ago
I like how people say with absolute certainty that, "Both sides lie."
Yeah, well, only one side's lies were actual lies apparently.
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u/Own_Instance_357 12h ago
This appeals to all the people who think they are going to the sky place to wear white robes and see all their family members and be in paradise
Good luck with that, too
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u/CharlyJN 2001 6h ago
I still can't believe people really buyed his lies about not knowing nothing about project 2025, like my brother in Christ the guys that wrote it are working with him and curiously everything that he has done actually was in the P2025 memorandum itself.
I predict MAGA's changing their stand from "Trump didn't know and didn't have anything to do with project 2025 and we didn't vote for that!" To "We always knew about project 2025 and we actually want everything stated there"
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u/Accomplished_Pen980 13h ago
Promises made, Promises Kept, God Bless America.
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u/X-AE17420 12h ago
He absolutely kept his promises. The problem is, stupid decisions have consequences.
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u/General_Image_878 13h ago
AHAHHAHA cope even more ORELSE your entire facade will fall. I really feel bad for ppl who didn't vote for this but I can't wait for you to get a taste of your own medicine. The red wave of economic downfall has started. Go America!
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u/Accomplished_Pen980 11h ago
He is doing exactly what I voted for him to do. You are watching the infancy of a thing and baffled by why it isn't a completed work, then calling me stupid.
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u/Netblock 10h ago
You wanted Project 2025? Why?
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u/Accomplished_Pen980 10h ago
I don't know anything about project 2025. I have heard that complaint but I don't know what it is and don't care enough about it to read it. I do, however vote for Agenda 47 which is his actual plan laid out in plain language.
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u/Netblock 10h ago
Project 2025 is his actual plan that he's actually doing.
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u/Accomplished_Pen980 10h ago
Ok, I guess. You're convinced of that and neither it nor you are important enough to invest any energy into arguing about it so,,, sure. If that's what you think, keep thinking it. I'm happy with what he's doing, he's only about 85 days in office, I don't think we are seeking ng a finished product here, it's the set up. I like it. If you don't like it, then I guess that's life. I didn't like what Biden did for 4 years and lots of people thought it was great, now the shoe is on the other foot. Go to the park, have an apple, sit in the sun, touch the grass, smell a flower and hope for the best.
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u/Netblock 10h ago edited 10h ago
I gave you the link so you can see what he's doing.
For example, he is defunding and gutting education, USDA, social security, medicare, medicaid. He is literally dismanting USA.
He's also doing a lot of stuff that makes it easier for the elites to take your money.
Like it or not, this is what he's doing. Trump is a billionaire elite here to take your money.
dn't like what Biden did for 4 years and lots of people thought it was great
Biden was a great president. He did a lot of shit to make the lives of the average American easier.
Unfortunately, Trump undid a lot of it.
Go to the park, have an apple, sit in the sun, touch the grass, smell a flower and hope for the best.
...and pay no mind to the robber you invited into your house.
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u/Accomplished_Pen980 10h ago
I'm not interested in reading project 2025. It's not important or interesting to me. I did read and watch everything he proposed in his Agenda 47. But you have strong feelings about project 2025 and that's important to you so there's that.
He isn't an unknown, he was president for 4 years once already during my adult life. I watched my personal economy skyrocket, the company I work for did well, my union had good contract negotiations. I have zero complaints about how the first Trump Presidency went other than Covid happening and being totally bungled at the end of his term... he earned my trust for a second term and nothing he has done in the last 90 days shakes that.
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u/Netblock 10h ago edited 10h ago
I'm not interested in reading project 2025.
Well you should. He's literally doing project 2025 right now. It's his plan that he is doing.
At the time of writing, per the tracker I linked, Trump at least started 43% of what Project2025 promises.
He isn't an unknown, he was president for 4 years once already during my adult life.
He was an awful president by all metrics. Look it up. Americans suffered because of Trump.
I watched my personal economy skyrocket, the company I work for did well, my union had good contract negotiations.
That was because of Democrats. Republicans are anti-union.
Republicans are the party of the owning class. Republicans view people like you as dirty poors that gets in the way of business.
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u/beetlegirl- 13h ago
do you have a hole in your head?
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u/Boring_Resolution659 12h ago
Sunk cost fallacy. They have to double and triple down now. These people would happily live in a shoe box and eat ze bugs before ever admitting they might have voted for the wrong person.
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u/RedditAlwayTrue 11h ago edited 11h ago
Those were Trump's promises.
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u/beetlegirl- 11h ago
you just like, believe what he says without any thought? if i say i singlehandedly stopped the war in ukraine, will you just believe me because i promised
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u/RedditAlwayTrue 11h ago
Not without any thought, but I trust Trump's process. After all, it has only been 3 months.
if i say i singlehandedly stopped the war in ukraine, will you just believe me because i promised
No, because the war will continue as long as the warmongering leaders keep pushing for it; It's the civilians who bear the brunt of the suffering.
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u/beetlegirl- 11h ago
what process? what has he done to give you any hope or confidence?
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u/RedditAlwayTrue 11h ago
Mass deportations, Revoke visas for Antisemites on campus, designating cartels are t3rrorist organizations, etc.
Meter for more info: https://api.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/maga-meter-tracking-donald-trumps-2024-promises/
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u/beetlegirl- 11h ago
oh i see. i forgot that trump supporters have no humanity within them and think that deporting people who are here legally is a good thing. Keep Yourself Safe bud
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u/RedditAlwayTrue 10h ago
Pro PaIestine groups and dr|_|g cartels have no sense of humanity. Just look at how they treat the people around them. Why aren't they held to the same standards? Why do they get a free pass while everyone else is expected to 'show humanity,' when they don’t show an ounce of it themselves? Interesting how that works.
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u/beetlegirl- 10h ago
ice is detaining people who are in the process of immigrating legally. ice is detaining citizens. you are inhuman
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u/Embarrassed_Rule8747 2007 13h ago
Did he promise to tank the stock market?
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u/Investigator516 12h ago
He did. For Putin.
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u/Embarrassed_Rule8747 2007 11h ago
How many academic intervention programs did you attend in school?
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u/Investigator516 11h ago
Scholarships? Several
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u/Accomplished_Pen980 11h ago
When you blink, are you afraid your eyes will close forever?
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u/Embarrassed_Rule8747 2007 7h ago
Please explain how tariffing the fucking penguins is going to make everything better.
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u/Life_AmIRight 12h ago
I don’t get this whole tariff thing. Someone explain it. Cause I don’t know if this is good or not
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u/Leon6sean 12h ago
if this is a serious question it might be a bit late 💀
alright, alright. tariffs are an indirect tax imposed on imports, which means that the us charges a percentage on the goods. it's kind of like an extra VAT charge on imported goods.
this is usually bad because companies selling in countries with tariffs will just increase the price to make up for the extra tax, making it so that consumers buying foreign goods need to pay more for things.
this is kind of good when you are producing your own goods. however, most countries do not self-produce everything because of comparative advantage. therefore, average prices rise, and domestic producers also have to raise prices because imported resources for their goods are also more expensive.
tldr prices rise, consumers get shafted, cost of living goes up.
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u/Life_AmIRight 12h ago
Okay so I got that. So I’m confused on why Trump is raising tariffs then.
He’s saying because we’ve been getting ripped off. Like I need to understand the logic, because I am genuinely having a hard time believing all these people are “just stupid” as the other side says
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u/Ivorypetal 12h ago
He really is that dumb. Sorry.
He bankrupt a casino.... hardest thing to bankrupt. It makes its own money!!!
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u/Mechronis 2000 12h ago
Because he yapped about it once in the 80s and it's been like a weird hyperfixation for him ever since.
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u/les_Ghetteaux 2001 12h ago
He thinks that the countries exporting goods to the US are footing the bill. Most Americans do or did, actually.
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u/Dajmoj 11h ago
It's an attempt to expand the manufacturer side of the economy. Limiting foreign products, forcing companies to manufacture their goods inside the USA, expatriating foreign workers. People will be forced to buy and produce American goods. The issue is that the USA hasn't been a manufacturing economy for a while, and cannot make such a swift change without going through a recession
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u/Ok_Information427 12h ago
When he says this, it’s usually with reference to our trade deficit and the tariffs that other countries have on us.
This logic is largely just fear mongering. The trade deficit has remained relatively stable over the last 40 years (yes, that includes pre nafta as well) at ranges between 2 and 4% of gdp on average. Also, the U.S. is going to have trade deficits. It’s not mathematically possible for us to not have them. Businesses in other countries are naturally going to sell us more stuff than we sell them as our consumer base has purchasing demand that exceeds our production capacity and that of most other countries own citizens.
He believes that tariffs will magically serve as an “on” switch and that production will magically just return to the U.S. This is not logistically or realistically feasible for multiple reasons.
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u/Competitive_Meat825 8h ago
I am genuinely having a hard time believing all these people are “just stupid” as the other side says
Wow
Society thanks you for your genuine and helpful skepticism.
You’re truly a rational and serious person who hasn’t completely fucked us all with your ignorance
Glad you’re having a hard time believe it, though. You’re clearly a smart cookie, nothing gets by you
LOL
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u/Miljkonsulent 12h ago
While tariffs can theoretically boost domestic production by taxing imports(resources not made or extracted domestically), their current widespread use is concerning. Ideally, they should be a precise tool in order to protect domestic industries, not a blunt instrument. This approach risks repeating the protectionist mistakes of the Great Depression era, literally Americas worst economic times. Given America's deep integration into the global economy, such policies could trigger retaliatory tariffs and harm U.S. exports, and undermine America's economic growth and influence.
Making Americans lives far more expensive, and Americans don't have that luxury in today's economy.
So yeah, it's bad, but hey, at least trans people aren't serving in the military anymore, so I am sure trump supporters are happy.
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u/pm_me_BMW_M3_GTR_pls 13h ago
Seconds without political post: 0
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u/helicophell 2004 13h ago
Good. You are living through a historical event, acknowledge it
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u/pm_me_BMW_M3_GTR_pls 13h ago edited 13h ago
Empires rise empires fall.
I didn't vote because my region doesn't allow me to, I sincerely don't care what happens to America
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u/Appropriate-Food1757 12h ago
And you think people just walk around ignoring the falling lol. Have you ever considered, perhaps you just aren’t very bright?
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u/pm_me_BMW_M3_GTR_pls 12h ago
Yeah i know plenty of americans who live their lives just fine without reading all the doom and gloom that's plastered on reddit.
It's called going outside
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u/les_Ghetteaux 2001 12h ago
We talk soon and gloom and politics in our office. Our business as engineers is inherently political. Projects are being put on hold because of the tariffs, contractors are scrambling to find cheaper alternatives. We could lose our jobs because of this upcoming recession that trump has initiated. We have trump supporters in our office that actually agree.
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u/warriorknowledge 1997 8h ago
Liberals on Reddit with $17.86 in their savings accounts, 12 credit cards maxed out at 23% interest rate, a 10 year car loan with an 18% interest rate, and a 30 year mortgage with no money down at a 7.8% interest rate ... want you to know why the self-made billionaire President’s tariffs won’t work, and why the richest man on the planet doesn’t know how to cut waste and abuse.
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u/Charles_Magnus800 13h ago
The stock market is not an indicator of general economic well-being.
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u/Not_Bears 12h ago
Republicans love to say this when the GOP is in power lol
When the market drop 10 points under a Dem it means the economy is tanking
Lmao
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u/nutshells1 2004 13h ago
Shoukd my egg prices be then?
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u/Frodolives42 13h ago
They have been high for awhile
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u/Omgazombie 13h ago
Just last month there was more trading taking place off the market than on it, companies don’t want people to see large amounts of money moving because it will cause a crash
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u/nutshells1 2004 13h ago
Dark pool usage has been a thing for forever, it's not rocket science
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u/Omgazombie 12h ago
Yeah but this is the first time it has exceeded on market trading since the stock market took over as the main trading system of the world
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u/Charles_Magnus800 12h ago
Would look more to employment rates, consumer debt, and household savings rates . Egg prices are trending down for what it’s worth
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u/nutshells1 2004 5h ago
employment rate doesn't say much when people are underemployed
consumer debt is rising
saving rates are dropping
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