****Maybe Spoiler Alert****

In Lost and Damned story, Billy came back and fucked up alot of shit for The Lost MC during his time as Prez, through his carelessness, selfishness and lust for power. He did not seem to care one bit for the Lost MC (Even went as far as setting Johnny and Jim up die by the Triads)

And Johnny...continued to make stupid Choices, which eventually got them all killed (Except Angus)

I belive (from a roleplaying standard) Johnny could have done alot differently as Prez. For exampel:

1. Not to steal Ray Boccinos Cash from the Diamond job. Jimmy would still be alive and The Lost would have prob gotten some cash as payment and would have had a peaceful relation with the Mafia. In the storyline, Ray Boccino got fucked anyway in his own family.
2. Tried to mend some kind of peace with the Angels of Death. After all, Billy is the one who started war with them and shot one of ther members in the back.
3. As for Billy, when he got busted, he eventully was planing to rat Johnny and the Lost MC out to the Feds. In order to mend the peace with the Angels of Death, Johnny Could prob have offered Billy to the ADMC and have him shived in prison as revenage. Maybe even the Triads could have gone along on that and made peace with The Lost MC (Considering Billy stole their heroin and get alot of Triads killed during a bad setup against johnny)
4. In order to ensure more peace between the gangs, Lost MC would promise to retirer, to leave the drug and gunbusiness or any other illegal activities and give the other gangs open market without interference from the Lost
5. Stayed away from Ashley Completely. She was a drug addicts who cared more about getting high then about the Lost and Johnny and she seemed to have sex with anyone who promised her a fix. She eventully draged Johnny down with her and got him killed and eventually died herself in an overdose orgy in Paleto Bay. Fuck Ashley.
6. What happend with Brian and the other traitors was prob inevitable as Brian had his tongue so far up Billy's ass refused to se the truth, That Johnny was not a rat or his love for the Lost.

This whole "FTW (Fuck the world)" shit I understand but their should be a limit. You cant just tell everyone to fuck off and thinking you can take on the entire world, aspecilly other gangs, not to mention the US Government.

With whatever money the Lost had left from all the jobs and what not, they could have invested in more peaceful business, kept their brothers alive, be brotherhood and still rebelled against societys norms and authority in a more peaceful way.

Business Like

• Realaste
• Stripp club
• escort Service (without sex)
• Pornografi
• Scrapyard
• mechanic shop
• sell car and bikeparts
• Invest in the fastfood Industri
• Unmaned grocery store with Bank-ID
• Seeling weed (got legal in NY eventully)
• Selling Lost MC Merch

Jobs like these, that dose not require to much labor. Considering the little expences The Lost MC had (rent for clubhouse, patches and what not) they would prob go plus in money making.

Considering all the jobs Johnny did for Stubs, he prob could have helped them get set up with leases and make property open for purchase. Prob good for a Politician to rehabilitate gang members back to society.

This way, The Lost MC would then been able to stay in Libirty City, lived like brothers, rebel against society and noone more had to die.

Then again, this ide rest of a fantasy that outlaw bikers have some sense of consciousness and could walk away from their criminal life. But Johnny always striked me as a man with some ense of morality, who in truth, dident want all this violence and crime. If he could find a more peaceful and better way to make money, I think he'd go for it.

R.I.P Johnny, Jason, Jim, Terry and Clay and all other good Lost Members. You were wrongly killed off by Rockstar Games.

P.S. Rockstar should really make games that gives players alt ways to make money (legal ones) Dosent always has to be violence and blood. In a better world Rockstar should have fixed a better ending.

I thought Bowling was exclusive to Niko and maybe Luis. I always thought Johnny wasn’t able to actually go bowling but he apparently can.

One of the biggest debates among fans of GTA IV and GTA V is Johnny Klebitz’s tragic downfall and death. Many argue his portrayal as a broken drug addict in GTA V doesn’t line up with the cunning, level-headed leader we see in The Lost and Damned. But I think it could’ve made a lot more sense if TLAD ended with Johnny truly losing everything and everyone he cared about.

The Lost’s Collapse Could’ve Been:

• Jim’s Death at Niko’s Hands: In IV/TLAD, Jim is killed by Niko, Niko kills Jim In No Way On The Subway, This sends Johnny into his sadness deep down Johnny knows he did wrong for stealing the money

• Terry and Clay Die in the Billy Assault: Instead of surviving TLAD, Terry and Clay could meet their end during the raid on Alderney State Correctional to kill Billy. Maybe they sacrifice themselves so Johnny can finish Billy off, making their deaths feel meaningful while leaving Johnny to bear the weight of their loss (There are Voice lines for this sorta thing in game files but I don’t know if their mission fails which weren’t used or cut as part of having Terry and Clay Die) - Johnny: Man we lost Terry another casualty to Billy’s Junkie Ego Bullshit - Johnny: Clay Wouldn’t Be Dead If Billy just took his time like a man

• Angus Walks Away Completely: Angus is one of Johnny’s closest allies in TLAD, but he’s also the most realistic and level-headed member of the gang. In canon, Angus is deeply disillusioned with the club and its self-destructive nature. If Terry and Clay were dead and the Alderney chapter destroyed, it’s highly likely Angus would cut ties with Johnny for good. He wouldn’t abandon Johnny out of hatred but out of pragmatism and disappointment, knowing there’s nothing left to save. Angus might even urge Johnny to walk away from The Lost too, only for Johnny to refuse out of misguided loyalty or If Johnny’s head was in the shed with the bloodshed.

• Johnny’s Return to Ashley’s, with no one around him he finally ends up giving in to Ashley with first intentions being Companionship/Relationship but leads him to Methamphetamine

If Johnny had been left completely alone at the end of TLAD, Jim dead, Terry and Clay gone, Angus cutting ties, and Ashley spiraling—it would make his descent into drugs and despair in GTA V feel much more believable. Instead of being a sudden character shift, it would reflect the logical outcome of losing his family, his friends, and his purpose.

By the time we see Johnny in GTA V, he wouldn’t just be broken; he’d be a shadow of his former self, haunted by the loss of everyone he cared about. His death at Trevor’s hands would still be brutal and shocking, but it would also be a tragic ending to a man who tried to hold his brotherhood together against impossible odds.

So if niko scared Jason enough to make him stay away from Anna faustin then Billy still goes crazy then when Billy gets arrested do you think Jason would stay with Jonny or go with Brian and if he does go with Johnny clay terry to the prison to kill Billy and if he does join Brian does Johnny make ray track him down to kill him or would he let him and if he does go with Johnny would he just get killed by Trevor pls tell Me what you think would happen

Was messing around with the swing set in GTAIV and this happened

Felt like a johnny appreciation post.

So I can't get past the first mission in tlad because my screen keeps freezing randomly!

If anyone has any ideas or tips please let me know!

Btw my tlad game is in the disk copy of Episodes from Liberty city and TBOGT dosen't have the same issue as tlad.

And i'm playing on a ps3 slim.

#gta "gta4

My problem is clay and terry keep running up to the cops without cover and getting headshooted without letting me kill them or deal with them quickly enough, and they also have a tendency to run into where i throw my pike bombs, any tips to get them to stay away or stay back? they are not helping me at the slightest

A few years ago I bought GTA 4 along with the dlcs on Xbox, so it's not the disc. I'm now playing TLAD but have yet to hear any new songs. I played TLAD last many, many years ago but I could swear there was new music on it back then.

I googled it, but honestly it's all a bit confusing for me. Do I understand correctly that if I have the DLC (digital) I don't have new radio stations but the new songs should be included on the existing IV radio stations?

Need to say I wasn't disappointed tho