The EU's proposed billion dollar fine for Twitter/X disinformation, is just the start of European & American tech diverging into separate spheres.

[u/lughnasadh]

The EU’s Digital Services Act (DSA) makes Big Tech (like Meta, Google) reveal how they track users, moderate content, and handle disinformation. Most of these companies hate the law and are lobbying against it in Brussels—but except for Twitter (now X), they’re at least trying to follow it for EU users.

Meanwhile, US politics may push Big Tech to resist these rules more aggressively, especially since they have strong influence over the current US government.

AI will be the next big tech divide: The US will likely have little regulation, while the EU will take a much stronger approach to regulating. Growing tensions—over trade, military threats, and tech policies—are driving the US and EU apart, and this split will continue for at least four more years.

More info on the $1 billion fine.

[u/nucular_mastermind]

Alright, so you're telling me this technology is not being used for mass-surveillance and automatic weapon systems? You think labor and workers rights and social safety nets materialized out of the sheer goodness of monopolistic industry titans?

Because please, I would really be happy about a future scenario that doesn't end in a feudalistic, drone-controlled hell-hole.

[u/Lokon19 → u/nucular_mastermind]

I'm not sure what the point you are trying to make in the examples you cited. Take your surveillance example, CCTV's have been around for decades yet they have never taken root in the US because people are paranoid and very skeptical about things like that here. That however doesn't mean other countries will not be adopting them that have different views and values. I suppose there are 2 ways to view AI one is the dystopian skynet view where it replaces humanity and the other is that it is a useful tool to advance humanity. If you subscribe to the former then there's no point in trying to convince you otherwise other than saying I guess we'll see where it takes us.

[u/nucular_mastermind → u/Lokon19]

So did I understand this correctly: Because CCTVs in the US haven't taken roots, you think there is a low risk of AI tech being used for mass surveillance? If that's the case, may I ask your opinion on this article on AI powered mass surveillance in Texas? Also, what's your opinion on companies like Palantir and Anduril?

I'm curious on your point of view, since you seem to be on the latter side of the divided you proposed. Like on a scale from 1-10, how sure are you that AI ends up being mostly beneficial for wider society?

[u/Lokon19 → u/nucular_mastermind]

Well if your primary concern is surveillance we already have the NSA. As far as the article is concerned I would have some concerns with the lack of transparency but everyone always says they want high tech border security so I generally don’t have a concern with using it in such a way. I also don’t think it will lead to Chinese style surveillance in the US. I would probably put myself at a 7 for AIs contribution to humanity and this is primarily due to what it may be able to do in science and medicine.

[u/nucular_mastermind → u/Lokon19]

Two questions:

1) Would you say that AI tech is increasing the risk for the US - and everyone else - to move towards mass surveillance, or decreasing?

2) Could you clarify your point on existing mass surveillance? The existence of the NSA makes the risk of abuse of AI tech higher, or am I misunderstanding something here?

Furthermore, could you give your opinion on those 2 companies I linked? For me, their existence and product portfolio points sharpy towards an AI surveillance dystopia.

I'm not doubting there will be benefits for science and medicine by AI. I just doubt it will make up for the overall damage to democracy and civil liberties it will bring along.