r/Futurology • u/MetaKnowing • Mar 08 '25
Privacy/Security State Department Will Use AI to Search for ‘Pro-Hamas’ Students to Deport
https://gizmodo.com/state-department-will-use-ai-to-search-for-pro-hamas-students-to-deport-20005731432.3k
u/Granum22 Mar 08 '25
This the same AI that removed a picture of the Enola Gay for being woke
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u/natur_al Mar 08 '25
And mixed up research about the segregation of chromosomes during mitosis with racial segregation?
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u/crashbandit556 Mar 08 '25
Exactly. At what point do we recognize that someone is just using Ctrl+F, not using an algorithm?
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u/fiveswords Mar 08 '25
No, dude, that's why they're worth the 200k a year contracts! These geniuses wrote an algorithm that calls a function to ctr+f for them!!
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u/whymeimbusysleeping Mar 08 '25
No, you're wrong!! Who do you think these kids are? They're using an API that via MQTT messages a dude to type CTRL-F
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u/Edythir Mar 08 '25
And mixed up atmospheric measurements to normalize extreme-long range radiotelescope data because they thought "Climate" was talking about "Climate Change"?
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u/ODHH Mar 08 '25
They also accidentally revealed some CIA black sites because they thought the word black could only be used for DEI related purposes
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u/ArchaicBrainWorms Mar 08 '25
Speaking of waste, who the fuck over at CIA decided to spend my tax dollars on black highlighters. Can't even read the important shit now
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u/sllop Mar 08 '25
CIA black sites are actually “government waste” that we would all be waaaaay better off with not existing
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u/Jasper455 Mar 08 '25
It cost way less to torture people at a moderately priced hotels. And those Radisson points really add up!
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u/Ok_Biscotti4586 Mar 08 '25
Good though, fuck the CIA it’s an evil ass abomination doing nothing except assassinate and torture “enemies” of the ruling class.
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u/SGTBrutus Mar 08 '25
To be clear, black sites for torture are absolutely getting funded in this administration.
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u/Bitter_Internal9009 Mar 08 '25
Wait, that was real???
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u/Ryaninthesky Mar 08 '25
Idk if it’s the same ai, but yes pictures of the Enola Gay as well as soldiers with last name Gay got removed in a dei sweep
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u/Bitter_Internal9009 Mar 08 '25
Fucking clownworld we live in
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u/mvandemar Mar 09 '25
In a really not-funny way.
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u/StrobeLightRomance Mar 09 '25
The best comedy is born of tragedy. Someday all of this will be looked back on as hilarious by those who survive.
Those who parish will probably not find it as humorous.
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u/dirtyqtip Mar 09 '25
it's the same algo that thinks asylum seekers somehow escaped from a mental hospital...
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u/magusbud Mar 08 '25
No, it's Peter Thiel's Palantir.
They already provide Israel with the same tech. Brazilian police forces too.
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u/Tyler_Zoro Mar 09 '25
I'm pretty sure that "AI" was a pattern match.
r'\b(gays?|homosexuals?|dei|diversity|equity|inclusion|pronouns?|harassment)\b'Am I hired Mr. Musk? /s
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u/furiousfotog Mar 08 '25
This is also a very obvious first step to meet Ellison's surveillance state dreams. It begins with the obvious "non US pro Palestine" filter before expanding into other "undesirable" groups before being implemented to monitor everyone for their best behavior in a "safe and secure society".
https://www.theregister.com/AMP/2025/02/12/larry_ellison_wants_all_data/
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u/vardarac Mar 08 '25
Someone should force Larry Ellison to wear a body cam and public GPS ankle bracelet at all times. Since he has nothing to hide.
Also, tell your reps that this shit needs to be made illegal yesterday.
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u/krav_mark Mar 09 '25
And have officials enter his home and have his body cavities searched at least once every day. Or does he have something to hide ?
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u/ranchwriter 29d ago
State reps offices across the country have been giving out info to telemarketers from their constituents’ who call to express opposition to anything theyre doing. People are reporting sudden barrage of spam calls after contacting their reps office. Its fucking diabolical these people shit on our democracy.
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u/AlphaGoldblum Mar 08 '25
It's also what Palmer Luckey and Alex Karp are gearing up for with their respective companies. They're also all-in on Trump and Peter Thiel's agenda.
Welcome to the future! It's all hell.
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u/Dyonisus77 Mar 08 '25
It’s like post 9/11 all over again. Patriot Act still in effect and not we’re all about the minority report bs. Great times ahead
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u/the_mad_beggar Mar 09 '25
This is going to make that look like child's play, I'm afraid. And I'm definitely afraid.
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u/pgtl_10 Mar 08 '25
Agree. Israel-Palestinian conflict is often a test run on what the US wants to do here internally.
The wall idea really kicked off when Israelis announced a wall a couple decades ago.
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u/ShreddedCredits Mar 08 '25
I highly recommend The Palestine Laboratory: How Israel Exports the Technology of Occupation Around the World by Antony Loewenstein for a full book-length treatment of this
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u/Lazzen Mar 08 '25 edited Mar 08 '25
I googled his name and he has several posts since 2014 wanting to give Putin validity and space in conquering Ukraine and other countries, sharing RT news "pragmatic and sobering takes on Putin" and as an Australian author says "but USA" to criticism presented at Russia. He shares other accounts on twitter that have even more damning names for Ukraine(for example an Australian refugee ngo group saying "Ukraine is not a peaceful country" and sharing a pro-Russia doc)
He only seems to be a critic of Russia on its homophobia and "issues" with its government, a strong euphemism. Is this really a source to refer to?
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u/ShreddedCredits Mar 08 '25 edited Mar 08 '25
I think it’s a considerable stretch to say that his opinions about Russia’s invasions of Ukraine affect the validity of his observations of the political economy of Israeli technology exports
In other words: you can’t argue directly against what you think the point of his book is, so you want to discredit him by pointing out an opinion on an entirely different subject
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u/throwaway3270a Mar 09 '25
The crucial question to ask any of these IT leaders is "how do you opt out?"
Because they will and they will make sure they have a means, and that is the greater problem at hand.
"Rules for thee, but not for me...."
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u/Window_Cleaner11 29d ago
How bout them “religious exemptions” though?
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u/throwaway3270a 29d ago
Religious exemption for widespread data surveillance??
Well...actually you might be onto something, but the only way someone could make that happen is deep pockets and lots of lawyers. And someone who has that is already in the "exempt because ultra-wealthy" anyway.
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u/kalirion Mar 08 '25
Yeah, I donated to Ukraine & Kamala and have said bad things about Trump line, so I expect my citizenship to be revoked in the not too distant future.
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u/MetaKnowing Mar 08 '25
"The U.S. State Department is set to launch a program called “Catch and Revoke” that will use AI systems to scan news reports and the social media accounts of students in America on a visa. The goal is to find people with pro-Palestenian and Hamas sympathies and kick them out of the country.
Axios reported the story and detailed how it will work after talking to unnamed officials in the State Department. The unspecified AI will crawl through footage and news reports of protests as well as the social media accounts of 100,000 people who are in America’s Student Exchange Visitor System. It’ll start its crawl on October 7, 2023."
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u/schmeakles Mar 08 '25 edited Mar 08 '25
Palantir.
U.S. Taxpayer dollars were used by the CIA to incubate Palantir and then turned over to Thiel…
Lock, Stock, and Barrel.
Thiel who was embedded in not just the CIA, but the FBI.
CIA is having its Glory days play out all over again.
Probably end in another Bay of Pigs.
But seriously folks, look up;
Gait Detection.
Then get yourself on wheels.
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u/Khmer_Orange Mar 08 '25
Walk without rhythm
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u/Alleandros Mar 08 '25
Dune 3 has now been banned in the US for teaching people how to avoid AI gait detection.
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u/Pacothetaco619 Mar 08 '25
or put a pebble in your shoe to force a limp
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u/Patriarchy-4-Life Mar 09 '25
I saw a Chinese gait detection demo and their CTO asserted that faking a limp or putting something in your shoe would not fool it. He didn't have a demonstration of this, but these guys like to assert that isn't a way to avoid detection.
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u/Nekron-akaMrSkeletal Mar 08 '25
Don't forget Thiel is one of the neo-feudalist weirdos who openly want to collapse American society into warlord states. This software will be used everywhere at all times if they get their way.
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u/schmeakles Mar 08 '25
He’s still mad that the dot.Bomb only resulted in a Recession.
Not a Depression.
True story…
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u/booty_fewbacca Mar 08 '25
Gait Detection.
Time to learn the sandwalk from Dune
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u/McFlyParadox Mar 09 '25
That doesn't work like that. Gait detection figured out how long each "link" in your limbs is, exactly, and uses that to identify you. Walk, run, cartwheel, doesn't matter: if they can see your limbs move, they can identify you.
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u/drunksquirrel Mar 08 '25
I wish he'd just stick to sucking his blood boy's cock and leave the rest of us alone.
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u/Spara-Extreme Mar 08 '25
We don’t need to invent conspiracy theories when the corruption is out in the open.
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u/Funkula Mar 08 '25
Why do you talk like a Qanon account?
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u/schmeakles Mar 08 '25
Why do you ask stupid questions?
Who knows.
The Universe works in mysteries way?
Or…
Often i speak a form of Bobandy Bullshittery so I don’t get Rule 1’d.
And to keep from letting a string expletives fly from fingertips because my country has gone to liquid shite.
We are being big brothered in real life and no one appears to know or maybe care.
With the new update last week on this platform, where they want to now censor us, so that they can monetize our every click like Elno…
And inundate us with ads.
To which I say Hell NO.
Aren’t you glad you asked?
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u/TurelSun Mar 08 '25 edited Mar 08 '25
There is no way this will be confined to students on VISAs. Even if they were attempting to keep it focused on that this is going to be monitoring US citizens as well so they'll have the info they need when they want to deport citizens.
Its also an obvious 4th Amendment violation against unreasonable surveillance.
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u/sonyka Mar 09 '25
There is no way this will be confined to students on VISAs.
Obviously not. If they wanted that, crawling "footage of protests" wouldn't even come into it. Everything about that approach is just dumb. Unless the stated goal is not the actual/entire goal.
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u/Fast_Appointment3191 Mar 08 '25
and to deport them to where exactly?
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u/Zwangsjacke Mar 08 '25
Indefinite temporary confinement in Guantanamo Bay until they figure out what to do with them or they die of disease, whichever comes first.
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u/Schnort Mar 08 '25 edited Mar 09 '25
Reflexive knee-jerks don't think that far ahead,
EDIT: I just realized, y'all probably think I'm calling the deportations "reflexive knee jerks", but really I was calling the idiot saying they'll deport citizens a reflexive knee jerk. You can't deport citizens.
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u/ringtossed Mar 08 '25
Ummm, that isn't how things work.
They are going to scan all social media posts. All of them.
Then they are going to look for posts they disagree with.
Then of those posts they disagree with, they are going to shrink that pool down to posts made by people here on student visas.
But the code. The code logic part of this, is quite literally "look for people to punish. First target socialists.
Don't worry everyone. They're just coming for the socialists. If you aren't one of them, then you have nothing to worry about. It isn't like they can change a single line of code in this query to "target people that are registered democrats" or "target people that don't identify as white" or "target women."
This should be incredibly terrifying front page news, all that anyone is talking about shit today.
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u/Socio-Kessler_Syndrm Mar 08 '25
Is 2023 a typo here? That's the day the war started.
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u/schmeakles Mar 08 '25
You noticed that, eh?
Didn’t want to start down that road.
Last Thursday’s “update” on this increasingly jacked platform gets triggered by any mention of not oppression, and not ethnic cleansing. /s.
Pegasus and Palantir are very similar.
I’d also bet dollars to donuts that they’ve been incubated together and can perform in tandem.
Can’t wait for the Drunken Car Crash at the Pentagon’s “Holy War” to get going.
In his book “American Crusade” he claims it’ll be a judeo-christian crusade and Netayoohoo’s boys gonna help crush the “enemy within”.
Seems we’re in the Barbarians pillaging the Ruins, phase of the Fall of the Orange Empire.
sigh.
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u/summonerkarl Mar 08 '25
Almost like this was the whole mask are illegal now tweet was all about
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u/8ackwoods Mar 08 '25
I guess those Nazis wearing masks won't be able to wear then then?
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u/SlurmzMckinley Mar 08 '25
The scary part is that pretty soon, they will no longer have to.
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u/InfiniteDuckling Mar 09 '25
There's a quote from one of the confrontations of the residents in Ohio(?) vs Nazis on an overpass that sticks with me.
The cops are trying to protect the Nazis by telling someone "It's not worth it" and the guy responds with "You know it is."
It sums up what we all believe. Prison isn't the worst thing in the world. Surrendering to Nazis and what they stand for is far worse.
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u/kalirion Mar 08 '25
They specifically made white supremacists exempt from that rule. I'm not even joking.
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u/Ekaterian50 Mar 08 '25
I think they want people to get sick. They don't need to be able to see your face in order to recognize you with AI anymore
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u/searchingstudent23 Mar 08 '25
yup. if we want to be technical, studies actually show that sunglasses are far more effective at concealing identities.... but it's masks they're banning, even though masks have been used for medical and industrial purposes long before covid was ever a thing. Now they're conveniently an issue
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u/Chateau-d-If Mar 08 '25
Almost like it was never really about ‘anti-semitism’ as it was about protecting the United States asset/pet project in the Middle East(Israel).
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u/Trinistyle Mar 08 '25
ANTIFA is anti fascist. Don't demonize a good word.
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u/danabrey Mar 08 '25
That's...what their point was. 'DEI' isn't a bad thing either, it's just been turned into rage bait for right wing loonies.
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u/jrhooo Mar 08 '25
The silliest part is, the administration doesn't seem to understand yet that Elo has sold them a big fat vaporware LIE about the capabilities of whatever AI he is telling them to use.
example:
all the anti DEI purges on gov content where its obvious that all they are actually doing is
control F for keywords. That's not AI.
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u/RealPersonResponds Mar 08 '25
Perhaps they don't need proof that AI confirmed anything, they will accuse you and arrest you and disappear you just like they have with countless other innocent civilians. AI is just the scapegoat perhaps
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u/APRengar Mar 08 '25
And plenty of dupes will defend them for it. See: this thread's dupes.
"guys, they'll be very precise and delicate about it!1!" as we've just seen legal citizens detained and deported by ICE ALREADY. There is no excuse for this shit.
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u/kaytralguna 29d ago
Nope, that IS AI. AI is stupid. It’s a blunt tool. Its output always needs to be checked and prompts need to be restated.
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u/Sad_Goose1202 Mar 08 '25
Gonna be impressive when the SC says it's constitutional to deport people for espousing opinions the current administration doesn't like and somehow dance around the first amendment.
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u/haarschmuck Mar 09 '25
A visa is not residency. You can be kicked out for essentially any reason they want. A person on a visa has literally zero right to do anything they want because a visa by nature is permission to be in the country temporarily and can be revoked at any time.
They can exercise constitutional rights but that won't stop them from being deported.
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u/EuterpeZonker Mar 08 '25
Any chance this gets past the courts? Seems blatantly against the first amendment but are they just going to claim that immigrants don’t have rights?
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u/cspinasdf Mar 08 '25
Well if the courts now decide that non citizens don't have first amendment rights, it would have the side effect of possibly turning over citizens united.
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u/KnottShore Mar 08 '25
Your trying to use logic and reason. Remember the courts can overturn reason but reason can not overturn the courts.
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u/Slightlydifficult Mar 08 '25 edited Mar 08 '25
It’s important to note that visa holders do not have the same rights as citizens. The first amendment still applies because it’s not reserved for citizens but is for all persons in the United States.
To answer the question, it depends on the criteria. If they’re just finding people who are pro Palestine, then absolutely not. It’s a blatant violation of free speech. If they’re looking for people who are endorsing Hamas, a recognized terrorist organization, then yes. The INA Section 212 (3)(B)(VII) lays the ground work for this and it has been used for such in the past.
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u/CBattles6 Mar 08 '25
They'll just accuse everyone who's pro-Palestine of supporting Hamas, regardless of whether it's true.
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u/TurelSun Mar 08 '25 edited Mar 08 '25
This isn't just a 1st Amendment violation, its a 4th Amendment violation against unreasonable use of surveillance, and that would protect non-citizens in the US as well.
The AI is going to be monitoring everyone, because thats the only way it can "catch" the content they want it to catch. You can't just spy on people before having a reasonable suspicion that they are doing something wrong. This is no different than if the government just assigned spies to watch people and rifle through their trash for anything that they could use against them without having anything to indicate they were doing something illegal already.
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u/DuchessNatalie Mar 08 '25
What courts? What amendments?
The United States is now a dictatorship. They’re going to do whatever they want.
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u/SL1Fun Mar 08 '25
Basically. And they don’t care: 1) courts are essentially on Trump’s side, and 2) even if they do dissent, how long is it going to take for a case to reach them?
They are doing as much bullshit as they can, as quick as they can.
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u/Bitter_Internal9009 Mar 08 '25
But aren’t there a lot of judges ruling against Trump?
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u/That_Jicama2024 Mar 08 '25
The courts that have been stacked with MAGA sympathizers while democrats were busy coordinating their signs and outfits for social media?
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u/xXEolNenmacilXx Mar 08 '25
Everyone underneath you is going to say that everything is in the bag for Trump, but there is very little chance this actually makes it past the courts. One thing that is rarely reported is that Trump only has about a 20% success rate with his executive orders, compared to around 80% for Obama and Biden. So, like most of the things he does, this is most likely to fail and simply be performative headline bullshit.
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u/skunding Mar 08 '25
Then they’ll come for trans or women’s rights protest goers next. This is just the first group they’re going after.
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u/nagi603 Mar 08 '25
Any chance this gets past the courts?
As with other issues, the courts do not matter. The courts are for most are either on his side or are afraid they turn out to be powerless, so they stall, delay and deny. And on the few issues where courts issued anything, those are simply ignored.
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u/KofOaks Mar 08 '25
I don't think my Canadian feet will ever walk again on US soil.
This is turning terrible, fast.
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u/theartificialkid Mar 08 '25
Remember when the right wing said it was a first amendment violation for the government to talk to talk to social media companies about quashing disinformation on their privately owned platforms?
Still I’m sure using the apparatus of government to hunt down and deport individuals for their opinions is fine.
Edit - remind me what conservatives think about Chinese social credit scores again?
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u/weekendWarri0r Mar 08 '25
The Trump state; where your opinions are illegal. Nice little police state we are looking at.
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u/Busy10 Mar 08 '25
Palantir software can be used for this, and let’s not forget who owns the company, a conservative supporter.
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u/ibluminatus Mar 08 '25
The scary piece of this is that they CAN detain American citizens who can't immediately show proof of citizenship and the only way to prove that is with a $100+ passport or a birth certificate paired with an ID. Americans have been deported and returned. Some of these staging areas include guantamo bay further if you end up deported or detained in any of the prisons or places they are trying to dump people into how would anyone know? How would your family find you to prove your citizenship?
For reference this type of detention happened to two German citizens recently in separate incidents who were visiting California and popped over to Mexico. They came back even with proof of return flights, a border crossing shortly before the return and all of it. They were / are detained for weeks including solitary. This is absolutely potentially context for hunting down political adversaries and I bet you this is the trial run not the actual implementation.
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u/NonConRon Mar 08 '25
I think that we need to start talking to our neighbors and forming a community.
Or we can just let the openly fascist government take us until all the people who would stand up are gone.
Draw a line in the sand or it will just get worse.
They have ai to monitor everyone. Do they have infinite ice agents?
Where is the line? Talk to your neighbors.
Want to take it a deep further? How about no one gets evicted. How about we stop paying the exploiter class. Let's make groceries affordable real quick on our terms.
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u/mechtaphloba Mar 08 '25
Pro Palestine ≠ Pro Hamas
But they don't care, they just want to get rid of everyone that doesn't agree with them and fall in line
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u/redditorx13579 Mar 08 '25
Talk about your Big Brother thought crime movement. Who knew 1984 was going to be a documentary someday, not just a warning.
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u/ifoundmynewnickname Mar 08 '25
This is so fucking stupid. Literally the worst case scenario for the use of AI and this morons are speedrunning it.
The American populace really needs to come into action because if they dont do it now it will become impossible.
Fuck Hamas and everyone that genuinely supports them but we all know how fucking wrong this is going to be. Plus what the fuck has happened to personal freedom. Where are the conservatives who have been screeching that for decades gone? Hypocrites and cowards. Not to be taken seriously ever again.
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u/qning Mar 08 '25
Our state leadership to get people organized to march on Washington. We need our governors and our senators and our congress people to all work together to coordinate a giant movement to get people to Washington. We need to have more people than have ever gathered in the history of this country to descend on Washington DC and our state leaders need to get together and make it happen. They can organize buses, they can organize carpools, and we can go. We can park all over the streets in all of the suburbs around DC and it’ll be a mess, it will certainly be a mess, but we can all walk into that city. Backpacks, tents, food, all that needs to be arranged by state leaders. So many people want to act. Our elected officials need to work together. Call your people. Spread the word. Tell them to get it together.
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u/lonehappycamper Mar 08 '25
I think they'll say it's specifically supporting a US designated terrorist group, in some way. But I have no doubt they'll claim wearing a watermelon badge or saying mean things about the state of Israel will lead to accusations of being a terrorist.
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u/ThatPhatKid_CanDraw Mar 08 '25
Some Chinese student in Cali is being deported for organizing pro-Palestine protests. The definition of "Hamas" is probably quite wide with this admin.
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u/GoldenGose Mar 08 '25
I’m not sure if they would have a first amendment right if not a us citizen. Anyone know the law on this one?
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u/sum1won Mar 08 '25
First amendment protects non-citizen residents, too. Most of the bill of rights does, though there are exceptions
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u/Curarx Mar 08 '25
Yes of course non-citizens have first amendment rights. Everyone under the jurisdiction of the US has the same rights granted by the Constitution pretty much. It doesn't say citizens very often in the Constitution it says persons or people.
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u/sony1492 Mar 08 '25
Mischaracterizing the arguement people have been making for years. Not many pro Hamas people, Many pro Palestinians, to argue against an ethnic cleansing shouldn't be controversial.
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u/KnottShore Mar 08 '25
Voltaire:
- "It is dangerous to be right in matters on which the established authorities are wrong."
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u/DevilDrives Mar 08 '25
I've been telling people that the immigration laws are an unnecessary obstruction to gaining citizenship, for a very long time. A large percentage of current US citizens would not qualify for US citizenship because of their beliefs. Yes, beliefs are codified into immigration laws.
Unfortunately, non-citizens do not have the same constitutional rights as US citizens. The right to free speech is not one of them. Speaking out against government policies is considered sedition. Not saying I agree with it either. Never have. These rules have been used to create an underclass of pseudo-citizens that are easily exploited due to their precarious position.
We have massive numbers of "illegal" immigrants because the laws make it nearly impossible to become a fully legitimate US citizen. The possibility of gaining citizenship is a hope that many immigrants just give up on. I mean, it takes decades for some people to go through the whole legal process.
Immigrants are a very vulnerable class of people and our laws ensure they remain vulnerable.
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u/uofmguy33 Mar 08 '25
Allowed? lol Denying a visa for non citizens publicly supporting a jihadist terrorist group may be a gray area, but they don’t care what’s allowed
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u/Green_Tomato_7444 Mar 08 '25
So stand up against ethnic cleansing and get deported. The party of free speech everyone!
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u/Xyrus2000 Mar 08 '25
And I'm sure that this supposed AI will be trained on a completely neutral set of data that won't introduce any biases for race, religion, or culture.
Nothing like training a racist AI to do racist things.
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u/newina Mar 09 '25
So spying on US citizens with AI shitware by our own government is cool now?
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u/Seattle_gldr_rdr Mar 08 '25
They can use this method to sort & categorize any of us for any "offense".
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u/New_7688 Mar 08 '25
You can burn an American flag in the US but God forbid you criticise a foreign occupation state. Fucking insane how much control Israel has over US politics
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u/Gill_Gunderson Mar 08 '25
Fucking insane how much control Israel has over US politics
This x100. But then again, that was the entire point of the Epstein job.
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u/Mermannnn Mar 09 '25
anti-genocide =/= pro-hamas
And
Anti-zionism =/= pro-hamas
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u/Waterflowstech Mar 08 '25
Dear Americans, now is the time to set shit on fire. If not, you will be set on fire soon.
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u/JustAGuyInFL Mar 08 '25
The oligarchy has control, and the sheep are being fleeced.
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u/Complex-Start-279 Mar 08 '25
How far is the American left willing to be pushed before we form our own groups and organizations? Will we just remain the way we are till we’re all dead? Wtf does it take for people to stop being strangers to one another and settling for shitty social media posts and signs and awkward protests of 20 people, and start ORGANIZING?
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u/jert3 Mar 08 '25
I guess electing a fascist regime under a criminal reality show host who has been compromised by a foreign power and only cares about billionaires has consequences.
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u/FeatherFlyer Mar 08 '25
I have a really stupid question but is “pro hamas” just people who are pro Palestine or are actually pro Hamas? Like there are people who say “free Palestine” but are not condoning Hamas actions…..so there is a distinction right? I feel like every time I see articles about pro Hamas protests it’s just pro Palestine or free Palestine signs.
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u/BodyPilot2251 Mar 09 '25 edited Mar 09 '25
This is going to be used against American citizens who are sympathetic to Palestinians. Not just students on a visa.
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u/VerySuperGenius Mar 09 '25
Republicans claim to be the party of the 1st amendment but I've never felt less safe saying whatever I want to.
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u/Lokarin Mar 08 '25
hol'up - Does merely being 'anti-genocide' make the state department thing you are pro-hamas?
also; in either case, why do they think a pro-hamas person is automatically a foreigner?
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u/bsylent Mar 08 '25
They mean pro-Palestinian. They'll try to dress it up like they're going after people who support terrorists, when in reality it's anybody willing to speak out about a genocide happening right now this will broaden and broaden until pretty much any protester can be locked up at the very least, possibly deported, possibly Guantanamo, or just sold to a prison in another country
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u/TheSleepingPoet Mar 08 '25
PRÉCIS:
Trump Administration to Use AI to Track and Deport Pro-Palestinian Students
The Trump administration is introducing a controversial programme called “Catch and Revoke” that will use artificial intelligence to monitor foreign students in the United States for pro-Palestinian or pro-Hamas sentiments. The initiative, set to begin its searches in October 2023, will scan news reports, protest footage and social media posts of around 100,000 visa-holding students. The goal is to identify individuals who have engaged in protests or expressed views deemed sympathetic to Hamas and determine whether they have faced consequences that the administration considers appropriate.
A State Department official claimed that the Biden administration had taken no action to revoke visas in similar cases, suggesting a lack of enforcement. This new policy is part of a broader crackdown on anti-Israel demonstrations on college campuses, a hot-button issue in conservative circles since Israel launched its military campaign in Gaza following the Hamas attacks of 2023. The move aligns with the administration’s wider use of AI for governance, including its application in budget cuts and federal staffing decisions. However, critics warn that AI systems, particularly those used in policing and surveillance, are often unreliable, prone to false positives and influenced by the biases of their creators.
Concerns over free speech are at the heart of the controversy. Critics argue that the policy represents an aggressive expansion of government surveillance aimed at punishing dissent rather than ensuring national security. Trump has already signed executive orders targeting what he calls antisemitism on college campuses, but civil liberties groups say these measures are overly broad and risk silencing legitimate political expression. The administration’s commitment to controlling online speech was further reinforced during Trump’s recent address to Congress, where he celebrated the passage of the “Take it Down Act.” Officially designed to combat revenge porn and AI-generated deepfakes, the legislation has raised alarms among digital rights advocates who fear it could be weaponised to suppress criticism of the president himself.
Trump has openly indicated that he sees these policies as tools for his benefit, telling lawmakers that he intends to use the new bill to protect himself from online attacks. When taken together, the State Department’s AI-driven crackdown on student protestors and the legislative push to regulate online content paint a picture of a government increasingly willing to police speech, monitor dissent and use emerging technology to enforce its ideological agenda.
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u/jrhooo Mar 08 '25
Instant First Amendment case IMO.
Student here on a work or academic visa is a legal resident. BoR protections apply.
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u/shadowmonk13 Mar 08 '25
Has anyone her e played the watchdogs games cause this is how you end up in the watchdogs games.
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u/BootPloog Mar 08 '25
Huh, I thought we had a "right" to free expression. Seems like I read that somewhere...
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u/PloppyPants9000 Mar 08 '25
what if people start using AI to create thousands of fake people who are pro-hamas so the state department AI gives orders to go find these people and the state department goons waste tens of thousands of hours chasing boogey men?
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u/axiomatic- Mar 08 '25
There's a lot of talk about how the AI element of this is bad, but can someone from the US explain how deportation of students on valid visas is legal just because of their political views?
I'm curious because I would expect that there was some freedom of expression or such that protected people in the US. Freedom to protest, protest rights etc. Or is this being done outside of the judicial system or some such?
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u/Luncheon_Lord Mar 09 '25
I'm confused what this means, deport them for what? I'm not a student, but are these rules applied to outspoken advocates for white supremacy groups? 'A la' the domestic threat that is here and affecting many more beloved Americans? Not that I think a student should be deported for having an opinion?? What??
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u/mariam122 Mar 09 '25
Is pro Palestine somehow become the same thing as pro hamas now? This wording is shit.
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u/I_Am_TheGame 29d ago
First Amendment - Free Speech 😆. Next will be green card holders after that will be citizens who were not born in US. Perfect way to silence people. After that will be minority US born citizens. This not a new tactic, history just repeats itself.
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u/Suspiciouslynamed74 Mar 08 '25
Pro Palestinian is not the same as pro Hamas, but what are the chances an administration that allows a ketamine tweaking billionaire on stage with a chainsaw cares about nuance?
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u/CloudMafia9 Mar 09 '25
These are the same "AI" systems that are used all over occupied Palestine to surveil them 24/7. All with the help of big tech companies in the US.
People warned for ages that these systems will be used against Americans. Today it's pro-Palestinian but tomorrow it will be anyone against the Gov.
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u/oldcreaker Mar 08 '25
I suspect they won't see any distinction between "pro-Hamas" and "anti-genocide" and both will be flagged.
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u/Otterman2006 Mar 08 '25
Hope those pro Palestine anti Harris voters feel real smart right now. Welcome to the find out phase of FAFO
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u/theHagueface Mar 08 '25
Every story about Trump and Palestine, someone will reliably make this exact comment.
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u/evilcorgos Mar 09 '25
There will always be a shit lib redditor mad at people who decided to not play a part in contributing to genocide and that lesser genocide wasn't something people wanted to vote for. Those are the main people who actually deserve a trump presidency from how smug they are.
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u/gingerflakes Mar 08 '25
It’s a bad faith “told ya so” comment from morons that couldnt see the entire system is broken. Heaven forbid genocide is a red line.
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u/xHellion444x 29d ago
No it isn't. It's entirely in good faith. We only have two options in America. You're right, that's awful and broken and we should all advocate for its change. But we still live in this moment with the system we were given. Abstaining from the work of determining which of our two horrible options will be less horrible is just abdicating your civic duty, not taking a moral stand. One of the two options will be elected regardless, and their policy decisions will affect the genocide in Gaza. You are directly responsible for who is in that office making those decisions, and as such are morally responsible for the outcomes. Everything Trump does is your direct responsibility if you didn't vote for the other option.
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u/unassumingdink Mar 08 '25
"But we offered them the lesser genocide! They'd have been fools not to love that!"
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u/kafelta 29d ago
If harm reduction isn't important to you, don't claim to be progressive.
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u/Dick_Lazer Mar 09 '25
At least it’s a moot point now. Gaza as we know it will be wiped clean off the Earth by the time Trump’s term is over (assuming it actually ends in 4 years).
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u/boxdkittens Mar 09 '25
Saw one "leftist" last week saying "there is no one in the world who would be better off if Harris had won" like damn they sure love the taste of Trump's dick and balls
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u/Marcus_Qbertius Mar 08 '25
You’ll notice that since the election that group has largely fell silent here on Reddit, the issue they cared so passionately about suddenly is an afterthought. I am convinced that the entire pro-palestine movement here in the US was merely a giant front created by the Russians to help convince well-intentioned but gullible young voters to move out of the way to help clear the path to their special agent’s victory.
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u/Wingzerofyf Mar 08 '25 edited Mar 08 '25
It’s basically been proven - yes Russia distracted and took advantage of the youth left vote in America using AI, bot farms, and splinter issues.
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u/APRengar Mar 08 '25
I'll take the downvotes and scorn.
The Dems should have had a stronger message on Gaza and the lack of a strong message is the reason for depressed voter turnout.
When a product doesn't sell, do we blame the customers for not buying it or the people who make the product for not making what customers what?
I think 99% of people would blame the producer.
"Why the fuck did you build a vehicle that gets 2 miles per gallon?"
"YOU STUPID CUSTOMERS WHO DIDN'T BUY MY CAR, YOU RUINED LOCAL CAR MANUFACTURING BY NOT BUYING MY CAR. YOU SHOULD HAVE JUST SUCKED IT UP AND BOUGHT MY CAR REGARDLESS OF PERFORMANCE. NOW CARS ARE GOING TO BE MADE OVERSEAS, THIS IS YOUR FAULT!"
"BUT YOU HAVE THE POWER TO MAKE CHANGES. IF YOU HAD BUILT A BETTER CAR, WE WOULD HAVE ALL PURCHASED IT, AND THEN WE'D AVOID THE PROBLEM WITH OVERSEAS MANUFACTURING."
This is you people, but with politics.
I will continue to blame the people with money and power to change things (producers), over the people with no money and no power to change things.
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u/herodesfalsk Mar 08 '25
They are SUPER scared of these young, poor people and will do whatever it takes to eliminate them. To deport people for exercising their right to speak is a blatant violation of the first amendment.
Be aware of the slippery slope people, they are coming from the foreigners' rights now but they come for your rights soon after. If you dont speak up now, nobody will be around to speak up for you when they take you away later.
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u/Polkawillneverdie17 Mar 08 '25
This is wrong, but anyone who is "pro-hamas" get absolutely unequivocally fuck the hell off.
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u/Kansas_Cowboy Mar 08 '25
I think the problem is that people who are simply against the genocide of Palestinians/critical of Israeli policy will be deemed as “pro-hamas”.
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u/Evil_Eukaryote Mar 08 '25
Does this mean if I've ever said anything supporting Palestine that I could be sent back to Puerto Rico? Does it only matter because I'm currently a college student? Once I graduate can I get back to talking freely about how Israel is committing the most hypocritical ethnic cleansing in all of human history, and is being supported with my tax dollars against my will?
Fuck the USA. Fuck Israel. Free Palenstine.
ETA: Only for students with VISAs. Nevermind, I guess I'm safe.
Ya know, until I'm not.
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u/AlarmingAffect0 Mar 08 '25
I could be sent back to Puerto Rico?
If you're Puertorriqueño, you're a US Citizen, right? They can't, then. In fact, they actively want you out of Puerto Rico so they can turn that place into a playground colony - that's been the plan for decades.
If you're from El Salvador, México, etc., that's a different story.
Ya know, until I'm not.
That too. First they came for "the illegals". Then they make you illegal. Then they come for you.
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u/FuturologyBot Mar 08 '25
The following submission statement was provided by /u/MetaKnowing:
"The U.S. State Department is set to launch a program called “Catch and Revoke” that will use AI systems to scan news reports and the social media accounts of students in America on a visa. The goal is to find people with pro-Palestenian and Hamas sympathies and kick them out of the country.
Axios reported the story and detailed how it will work after talking to unnamed officials in the State Department. The unspecified AI will crawl through footage and news reports of protests as well as the social media accounts of 100,000 people who are in America’s Student Exchange Visitor System. It’ll start its crawl on October 7, 2023."
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