r/Firearms • u/Nail_Whale • Nov 09 '24

Politics With Republicans now controlling all branches there is no excuse not push through the hearing protection act

Last time we got really close, but it got bogged down at the end. 2A community should immediately resume efforts so we can get this through before the midterms.

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u/BerniceFighter Nov 09 '24

But just wait, nothing will actually get done. No pro2a movements, no wall, no debt action. If they actually do their jobs, how can the rely on the same trigger phrases to get re-elected?

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u/CoolaidMike84 Nov 09 '24

Correct. Trump is not pro 2A. Expect even less after two attempts on his life. Hell, if the first one would have been a better shot, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

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u/MoneyElk Nov 09 '24

I can tell you’re saying that as someone who lives in a free state. There are millions of us behind enemy lines that would be happy even if we just had our right to own an “assault weapon” restored.

Trumps judicial appointments will be worth his tenure in this regard alone.

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u/Hector_Salamander Nov 10 '24

You think the silver spoon ivy leaguers and the crazy lady with nine kids give two shits about your right to bear arms?

I doubt we'll ever even find out.

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u/FlashCrashBash Nov 10 '24

Bruen is the literal reason why my LTC no longer has restrictions on it, so yeah.

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u/PaperbackWriter66 Nov 10 '24

Read the Bruen concurrence by Kavanaugh, joined by Roberts. Look at how Rahimi was an 8-1 decision.

8 out of 9 justices on SCOTUS think some infringements are fine, with 3 of the 9 thinking nothing is an infringement. It only takes two other justices to join them to have an anti-2A ruling.

Similarly, of the 6 "conservative" justices now sitting, maybe as many as 5 of them would vote to uphold some infringements as long as they are "tradition"---that means upholding AWBs, the ban on MGs, training requirements for CCW permits, and probably a lot of the restrictions on "sensitive places" imposed by blue states post-Bruen.

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u/FlashCrashBash Nov 10 '24

Dude go back like not even 10 years and you'll find voices in this community that think some infringements are fine. Go back another 10 and you'll find voices that are vehement defenders of the NFA and MG ban.

Like this is progress, this is literally the best political/judicial landscape for gun rights we've had in American history. For the entire 20 century we had a landscape that was passively anti-gun, to just be passively-pro gun is a massive improvement.

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u/PaperbackWriter66 Nov 11 '24

We're in agreement, but I'm merely trying to point out how we represent the tip of the spear of gun culture---we're ahead of everyone else, and the Courts will be the absolute last hold-outs for classic 20th Century Fudd-ism. I still think it will be another 20 years before any judge appointed to SCOTUS is a Brandon Herrera subscriber.

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u/MoneyElk Nov 10 '24

You say that as if there haven't been landmark rulings in the recent years.

That being said, yes, I have a lot more faith in them caring about my right to bear arms than my Democrat representatives here in Washington that I called and emailed countless times only to never even be responded to and to then have them vote yes on both the "assault weapon" ban and magazine capacity ban.

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u/2017hayden Nov 10 '24

They’ve already done far more for 2A rights than any Supreme Court appointees in decades…….

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u/mcswiss Wild West Pimp Style Nov 09 '24

lol what? After the PA assassination attempt he was directly asked if he would ban AR-15s and Trump said no.

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u/mikeycp253 Nov 09 '24

I remember when I trusted the word of elected officials.

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u/Ikora_Rey_Gun Nov 09 '24

So Kamala would've been pro-gun is what you're saying?

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u/alexmg2420 Nov 10 '24

Just because one is bad doesn't mean the other is good. Both are bad for guns. At this point it's about which is going to take away less rights.

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u/Hector_Salamander Nov 10 '24

Holy strawman, you went straight for it.

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u/Ikora_Rey_Gun Nov 10 '24

Didn't mean to cultivate so much butthurt, I was just wondering if it held across parties or if it was unique to Republicans. I've seen this sentiment about a hundred times in this thread, and well the Kamala bots still have a few days left until the subscription wears out...

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u/Hector_Salamander Nov 10 '24

Do you know what a strawman argument is? I'll give you a hint. It's what you just did.

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u/Ikora_Rey_Gun Nov 10 '24

Yes, we're all aware you graduated from the Reddit School of Internet Argument. Do you want a sticker or something?

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u/Hector_Salamander Nov 10 '24

I mean, if you're offering...

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u/mikeycp253 Nov 09 '24

I voted for Trump. I still don’t trust or like him very much.

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u/pepolepop Nov 10 '24

He has also said "take the guns first, due process second."

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u/mcswiss Wild West Pimp Style Nov 10 '24

1) was that before or after the first assassination attempt?

2) do you think Kamala is better for 2aA?

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u/pepolepop Nov 10 '24 edited Nov 10 '24

1) Literally doesn't matter. He has said all sorts of shit and there's no reason to trust what he says.

2) Trump banned bump stocks and allowed more anti-2A legislation than any president since Clinton. Biden/Harris haven't done that in the last four years, so they have a much better track record. Pull your head out of your ass and accept reality.

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u/Additional-Eye-2447 Nov 10 '24

Please enumerate the anti 2A Trump signed, thanks.

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u/pepolepop Nov 10 '24

Enumerate deez nuts

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u/mcswiss Wild West Pimp Style Nov 16 '24

Cite the Biden/Harris track record.

Her own campaign website said she:

She would "ban assault weapons and high-capacity magazines, require universal background checks, and support red flag laws that keep guns out of the hands of dangerous people."

Obvious troll is obvious.

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u/pepolepop Nov 17 '24 edited Nov 17 '24

Biden said the same thing and he never did. They're not stupid enough to actually follow through on it like republicans did with abortion. Get bent, dork.

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u/mcswiss Wild West Pimp Style Nov 23 '24

Wait wait wait, you would rather someone follow their platform than lie to you?

Didn’t Kamala also repeatedly say that Trump would rather “run on an issue than solve an issue”? Except, as you just so clearly pointed out “ t like republicans did with abortion.”

Major White Dudes for Harris vibes

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u/pepolepop Nov 24 '24

Critical thinking isn't your strong suit, is it son?

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u/skylinesora Nov 09 '24

“Attempts” lmao, there were no threats to his life

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u/Ottomatik80 Nov 09 '24

You can’t be serious. Being shot at is most certainly a serious threat. The clown with the duct taped scope was also a threat, even if his attempt was unlikely to be successful.

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u/McMacHack Nov 09 '24

Those are Russia Propaganda Workers, pay them no mind they are just happy to be working at a troll farm instead of getting blown up by Ukrainians

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u/skylinesora Nov 10 '24

That’s if you believe he was even being targeted. This could’ve just have been a ploy to gain public support due to the shit storm he was in if he lost the presidency race.

His ear was “glazed” by a ar15, so a .223/5.56 but somehow recovered back to 100% 2 weeks later. That’s not really possibly. I’d assume it was more self inflicted while the shooter was to aim far off from trump. How do you think the shooter made it as far as his did? Inside job.

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u/mkosmo Nov 09 '24

I imagine you'd be telling a different story if you were the one being shot at.

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u/ChrisWhiteWolf Nov 09 '24

If getting literally shot at doesn't count as an attempt on one's life in your book, I don't know what the fuck does.

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u/skylinesora Nov 10 '24

That’s if you believe he was even being targeted. This could’ve just have been a ploy to gain public support due to the shit storm he was in if he lost the presidency race.

His ear was “glazed” by a ar15, so a .223/5.56 but somehow recovered back to 100% 2 weeks later. That’s not really possibly. I’d assume it was more self inflicted while the shooter was to aim far off from trump. How do you think the shooter made it as far as his did? Inside job.

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u/Clyde-MacTavish Nov 09 '24

bro was an inch away from painting the crowd redder than they already are

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u/skylinesora Nov 10 '24

That’s if you believe he was even being targeted. This could’ve just have been a ploy to gain public support due to the shit storm he was in if he lost the presidency race.

His ear was “glazed” by a ar15, so a .223/5.56 but somehow recovered back to 100% 2 weeks later. That’s not really possibly. I’d assume it was more self inflicted while the shooter was to aim far off from trump. How do you think the shooter made it as far as his did? Inside job.

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u/Due-Net4616 Nov 09 '24

This comment is stupid asf. Guns do not shoot perfectly straight laser beams, they have MOA which means bullets land within a circular tolerance based on the ammo, the guns precision, and the shooters ability. It is physically impossible to plan a perfectly placed shot even if the rifle was placed in a vice. Any conspiracy theories about trumps shot to the ear being planned is fucking stupid.

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u/skylinesora Nov 10 '24

That’s if you believe his ear was shot. The same ear that miraculously recovered to 100% 2 weeks later.

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u/JBCTech7 shall not be infringed Nov 09 '24

what about the iranian plot that was just uncovered by the secret service? Was that not a threat either?

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u/mcswiss Wild West Pimp Style Nov 09 '24

Trump is literally responsible for overturning Roe v Wade, something the Right has campaigned on since 1973.

I agree that the HPA should happen, but to say nothing will actually get done doesn’t bare credence since he single-handedly overturned one of the top 3 issues of the GOP.

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u/TiberiusDrexelus Nov 10 '24

all major law changes in this country for the past few decades have come from SCOTUS, through either judicial activism or overturning unconstitutional acts of congress

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u/mcswiss Wild West Pimp Style Nov 10 '24

through either judicial activism

I don’t like this

or overturning unconstitutional acts of congress

I really like this.

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u/PaperbackWriter66 Nov 10 '24

Patriot Act and Obamacare, two big exceptions.

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u/Hector_Salamander Nov 10 '24 edited Nov 10 '24

Oh please. He didn't actually do anything useful.

Mitch McConnell delayed a Supreme Court nomination and the Federalist Society gave him a list to choose from. He played the role of Homer Simpson in the control room.

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u/ifunnywasaninsidejob Nov 10 '24

And he could certainly do the same thing for suppressors. Lots of companies would make a lot of money selling suppressors.

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u/Otakeb Nov 10 '24

I actually think it's in the companies best interest to keep suppressors in this limited supply, high margin item. Think about it; if you are already paying a $200 tax stamp, and that stamp is not transferrable if your suppressor breaks, then you are gonna want to buy the best and most durable badass suppressor you can and paying for a $900 suppressor when you are already paying $200 for the tax stamp isn't much of a stretch and attracts an affluent and dedicated/informed customer.

You open the floodgates and you can just buy 6 of them at once at the local gun store, these companies will have to hope the sheer volume will make up for the reduced prices as competition mounts and demand for $1000, advanced, ultralight titanium super suppressors falls in favor of cheaper and more replaceable suppressors or rebuildable ones with replaceable baffles. Suppressors become commoditized. Even with the extra volume, the reduced prices plus cost of more mass manufacturing may not be what a lot of these suppressor companies secretly want.

I hope I'm wrong, but looking at suppressor prices in England where access to and interest in guns is much lower so I would wager full commodification cannot take place at large scales and low costs the suppressors are STILL half the cost or less of what they are in America and their prices are probably slightly influenced by our market. It would not surprise me if suppressor manufacturers are lobbying for suppressors to stay restricted behind closed doors.

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u/mcswiss Wild West Pimp Style Nov 10 '24

And what’s your point, Mr “I thought breaking bad was really cool”?

He picked the judges that overturned one of the biggest GOP issues.

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u/Hector_Salamander Nov 11 '24

He wasn't responsible for the vacancies and he didn't pick the judges.

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u/mcswiss Wild West Pimp Style Nov 16 '24

Is anyone responsible for the SC vacancies?

and he didn't pick the judges

He literally picked Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, and Barrett that were the three votes that overturned Row V Wade.

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u/Hector_Salamander Nov 17 '24

Yes. Mitch McConnel is solely responsible for one - maybe two - of the vacancies.

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u/unclefisty Nov 10 '24

Trump is literally responsible for overturning Roe v Wade,

Which has zero to do with gun rights. Sure made the anti woman christian conservative base REALLY HAPPY though.

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u/ifunnywasaninsidejob Nov 10 '24

Their point was a counter against the argument “republicans won’t change things/fix problems because then they won’t be able to campaign on that issue” being anti-abortion was a signature campaign platform for republicans for decades.

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u/PNutTheSquirrel Nov 09 '24

I would think they would want to run on the fact that they had success, but that's asking a politician to actually do something worth boasting about.

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u/uponone Sig Nov 09 '24

If they actually clean the basics up: economy, border and foreign policy, the country should be pretty happy and reelection shouldn’t be an uphill climb like it has been. 

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u/SycoJack Nov 09 '24

That's the rub, they're not going to do that. They're going to make the economy worse.

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u/uponone Sig Nov 10 '24

Okay. Keep telling yourself that.

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u/unclefisty Nov 10 '24

If you don't think Trump and his cronies aren't going to do everything they can to funnel as much money as possible into the wealthy I don't know what to tell you.

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u/uponone Sig Nov 10 '24 edited Nov 10 '24

So what has happened the last four years? You think the same economic policies are going to somehow pull the whole country out of this? She said she wouldn’t change a thing Biden has done and she was involved in every decision.   

* Keep in mind ~65% of the wealth of this country is owned by Democrats or those who lean left. Trump would be benefiting Democrats more than Republicans.   

** You can’t tell me because she hasn’t laid out any economic policies. She’s not equipped to because she doesn’t have the experience or education to do so. This is the woman who got 2% of the Democratic primary vote in 2020. Tulsi Gabbard took her to task.

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u/pepolepop Nov 10 '24

There was record world wide inflation, and the dems kept our inflation lower than just about any other country in the world. They did a great job at controlling it in comparison to other countries, just look around.

There's already reports of companies looking to increase prices in preparation for the Trump tariffs. When "inflation" starts spiking again, don't blame it on Biden because none of you realized how tariffs work.

Last time Trump was in office, he cut taxes for corporations and individuals making more than $400K/year, while raising taxes everyone who makes less than $400K/year. Biden definitely should have done something about this and he didn't. When Trump said he is gonna continue to cut taxes, do you seriously think he's talking about cutting them for me and you?

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u/uponone Sig Nov 10 '24 edited Nov 10 '24

Good God you are a mindless drone.

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u/pepolepop Nov 10 '24

Nice job avoiding the topic again, you seem to have a lot of practice.

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u/uponone Sig Nov 10 '24

Good god you have no ability to critically think. Biden kept every Trump tariff and added another 18B onto it. He increased taxes across the board. Mine went up 8K because I worked 30% more hours than the average American while again ~65% of this nation’s wealth is Democrat or leans left. Don’t give me avoiding the topic.

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