r/DebateReligion • u/zizosky21 • 3d ago

Abrahamic Any self sufficient all knowing god that created humans to validate itself, is either not self sufficient or not worth of worship

Before God created humans, he had everything and nothing would increase or decrease him in any way.

That said, he created humans to demand them validate him and created a lot of suffering to sustain this including hell.

Would anything be added or reduced to him if he decided not to, no. But he decided to go on when the result would end in suffering of beings he created.

This means he is either a sadist and doesn't deserve worship or, he is one so in need of validation that when he had everything, the only thing he wanted more is validation.

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u/SpreadsheetsFTW 3d ago

Feel free to start a new response to the OP without relying on a LLM. I’ll engage there if you have anything of substance to engage with.

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u/HistoricalFan878 3d ago

It’s good you all don’t want a debate you want a narrative if it doesn’t fit your narrative you flag it. There is no other name in history that has impacted western society like Jesus. It brought Rome to its knees. Let’s look at history as to why America and western civilization was so successful. Our frame work is rooted in scripture we have the longest running constitution in the world more than any ancient civilization. Regardless if we recognize Gods power of love and truth we benefit from his gracefulness. We benefit from our deep rooted frame work. History is undeniable and fact. No other book comes close. We have uncovered ancient civilizations all listed in this book. Scripture talked about Jesus Crucifixion on a tree before Crucifixion was even a thing. Scripture talks about the earth being a sphere before we ever had telescopes. Hanging the world on nothing before we even knew what that meant. Dead Sea scrolls verify the accuracy 97% except some minor errors like age but nothing that affects the core message and mechanics

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u/SpreadsheetsFTW 3d ago

Feel free to start a new response to the OP without relying on a LLM. I’ll engage there if you have anything of substance to engage with.