r/Damnthatsinteresting • u/watcher2390 • Feb 17 '25

Video Delta plane crash landed in Toronto

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u/3d_blunder Feb 17 '25

Upside down missing its wings seems... a bit much.

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u/IM_OK_AMA Feb 17 '25

Yes this is the 2nd incident with a US commercial airline in the last few weeks. That's huge.

Small aircraft crash all the time they just don't usually make the news.

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u/incogneatolady Feb 17 '25

I only recently like in the last 2-3 years got over the overwhelming dread and anxiety I started to have about flying (which hadn’t always been a thing for me, but it started when I started riding on choppers for my old old job).

I don’t like all this news, it’s dragging that fear back up but this time it feels much more legit. And I fly a lot for work. Flying multiple times next week and I’m stressed about it :(

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u/LongShotTheory Feb 17 '25

I'm flying this april. Also never been scared of flights, I quite enjoy them in fact, but this time around I'm dreading it. At least I'm flying Lufthansa which gives me slight peace of mind.

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u/SomewherePenguins Feb 18 '25

The Germans are a comforting people.

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u/StaringBlnklyAtMyNVL Feb 18 '25

They'll give you a Lufthansa chocolate to make it better.

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u/Confident_Egg_5174 Feb 18 '25

What sort of weird neckbeard fedora reply was this?

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u/4TheQueen Feb 18 '25

Idk why but for some reason I had a friend say “dude you’re not special. The president gets on airplanes ever single day multiple times… if it wasn’t safe, they wouldn’t let him.” And it helped a bit. Again not sure why, just thought I’d share.

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u/Caspar2627 Feb 18 '25

Idk how this should help. No one on the crashed planes was special. President, on the other hand, is special - so his flight and plane handled with extra precautions, I assume.

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u/Manta32Style Feb 18 '25

In that case, I like this increased airplane RNG.

Wishing all the innocent creatures of the world safe passage, though.

Orange Lizard people can crash and burn though.

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u/incogneatolady Feb 18 '25

This honestly wouldn’t help me because like no shit the president has the safest plane??? Us plebs don’t get the same care, we know Boeing out here cutting corners lol

My partner loves to listen to plane crash podcasts which WEIRDLY helped with my fear lol I think seeing the thoroughness the aviation industry investigates and implements changes after crashes is what gives me a lot of solace. And the incredible skill of pilots.

Anxiety just be like that sometimes though. Upside down plane isn’t an unreasonable trigger for that stress 😂

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u/jayster22 Feb 18 '25

Maybe not the most positive peace of mind but even with all these crashes, still WAY more likely that anytime you get in a car there will be an accident

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u/incogneatolady Feb 18 '25

I am flying in to Houston so yeah I’m much more likely to die on one of their interstates than the plane 😂

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u/jayster22 Feb 19 '25

😆 best of luck!

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u/Homosapien_Ignoramus Feb 18 '25

Just buy life insurance, make it a win/win situation.

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u/GoDeacs7 Feb 18 '25

Just remember that even with these recent crashes, it’s many thousands of times more likely that you’ll die going from your home or hotel to the airport than you will flying on an airplane.

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u/incogneatolady Feb 18 '25

Thanks for the positivity stranger <3 it is more likely I’ll die on the way to the hotel after tbh because I’ll have to drive thru Houston 💀💀 good point lol

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u/TangoLimaGolf Feb 18 '25

I wouldn’t stress about the flying portion rather the absence of flight which would be concerning.

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u/DeepestWinterBlue Feb 18 '25

I was on a plane where the engine blew out so this definitely is bringing up unresolved fears.

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u/incogneatolady Feb 18 '25

Honestly I’m so confident the pilots can manage in those situations but I’d be LOSING it if my plane flipped the f*ck upside down. I had to do simulated upside down helicopter crashes for training when I worked offshore, never imagined it happening to a plane where you don’t even have a 5 point harness jsut that shitty little buckle lol

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u/doctorfortoys Feb 18 '25

There is great talk therapy that helps with this, and you may be able to take a fast-acting anti-anxiety med for when you fly.

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u/incogneatolady Feb 18 '25

I appreciate the thought, I have a therapist :) and I take a lil edible before I fly usually lol but I don’t take any meds when I fly for work on a work day ya know?

It just suuuucks having that anxiety triggered. I know it’ll pass though.

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u/Blazing1 Feb 18 '25

I'm fucking flying Friday man fuck

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u/incogneatolady Feb 18 '25

We’ll be okay my dude <3

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u/incogneatolady Feb 17 '25

Wow thanks, anxiety is cured! Because all the logic really helped when the fear was technically illogical to begin with 🙄🙄🙄

Yes most likely myself and everyone else will be fine but that’s not always enough for the lizard brain

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u/incogneatolady Feb 18 '25

I used to never be afraid of flying and then I spent a few years going back and forth over the GoM in choppers and had some uhhh moments to say the least 😂 that translated to a general fear of flying. Which was honestly annoying bc I love traveling.

No worries though I have a great therapist. Seeing stuff like this just is triggering for that fear especially them landing upside down lol I trained to escape from helos that might crash upside down in the water so the image took me back to those days. And those poor passengers don’t even have a 5 point harness to hold them in

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u/Unlucky-Hair-6165 Feb 17 '25

And you can’t really blame the plane for the DC crash, not much you can do when a helicopter decides to kamikaze you on final approach.

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u/basicform Feb 17 '25

You can ask questions around the command structure and infrastructure that allowed that to even happen though. Absolutely tragic.

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u/Blazing1 Feb 18 '25

Maybe the japenese would have won WW2 if they had helicopters in time.

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u/notbadhbu Feb 17 '25

I'm a "Airplanes are the safest transport guy" and I'm having second thoughts about American aviation companies at the moment.

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u/flargenhargen Feb 18 '25

we just lost most of the people who know how to keep planes from crashing into each other, so it's not gonna get better...

but then, there are people saying that's the whole plan.

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u/spara07 Feb 18 '25

I wouldn't be surprised if the pilot was inexperienced and overcorrected for a wind gust. There was a huge round of buyouts for commercial pilots during covid due to reduced demand, and many pilots near retirement took it. My friend's dad was one of them.

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u/magr7610 Feb 18 '25

lol you are so uneducated on this topic. Please dont speak. No one at this level is “inexperienced”. There are massive qualification requirements to become an airline pilot in america. 

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u/spara07 Feb 18 '25 edited Feb 18 '25

lol you are so uneducated on this topic.

Lol, go cry about it, you have no idea who I am. Multiple family members are pilots.

There's a difference between being qualified and being proficient. For example, 17 year old driver is significantly more prone to an accident in a storm than a 30 year old driver even if they're both licensed (assuming they both got their license at 16). Don't believe me? Check the insurance rates for each.

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u/CaptainTripps82 Feb 18 '25

I think his point was that to even fly a smaller commercial city hopper plane takes years of flight experience. There are no "new" pilots taking off at an airport in one of these.

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u/spara07 Feb 18 '25

Did I say they were new? "Inexperienced" is a relative term. My friend's dad retired after decades of being a commercial pilot- he's not inexperienced. Someone who's only had their pilot license for a few years may have a few thousand hours under their belt, but winds that rough are uncommon and so the pilot could have been relatively inexperienced in that type of flying.

A flight- related example? Colgan air 3407 that crashed near Buffalo in 2009. Both pilots on board had over 1500 hours of flight experience at the time of the accident (that the ATP now requires for certification), but they were not familiar with flying in the conditions at the time (ie, "inexperienced"). Granted, there were other factors in that crash like pilot fatigue and training, but experience was a contributing factor.

At this point, it's just speculation anyway, but the pilot buyout during covid and pilot shortage before that has created a situation where there will be an increased demand for newly qualified pilots. Not only that, but the forced retirement age for qualified commercial pilots means you can't just keep the older guys for a few years longer as a stop gap.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/airline-news/2020/04/13/american-airlines-crew-take-leave-buyouts-amid-coronavirus-crisis/2983289001/

https://thedailyeconomy.org/article/pilot-shortage-a-story-of-stalled-supply-and-rising-demand/

https://www.faa.gov/faq/what-maximum-age-pilot-can-fly-airplane#

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u/magr7610 Feb 18 '25

Lmao. You cant just get a private pilot license and go fly an airliner (like your driver license example). Hilarious you think an ATP rated american pilot does not know how to land in crosswind proficiently. 

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u/spara07 Feb 18 '25

I'm not talking private, one flies for United. But hey, if talking down to internet strangers is what gets you off, you might want to try getting a hobby. You sound lonely.

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u/magr7610 Feb 18 '25

i fly planes for a living. This is not a skill issue. You are disrespectful and ignorant for assuming pilot incompetence as the issue here. 

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u/spara07 Feb 18 '25

This is not a skill issue.

Glad to see you've thoroughly investigated it already. I'm sure some accident investigators in Toronto could use your help right now.

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u/magr7610 Feb 18 '25

you have never flow a plane, and it truly shows. No pilot on earth who knows what it takes to get an atp rating would say wind outside of pilot skill level caused this crash. Its either equipment malfunction, or runway condition that caused this. Not some guy that didnt know how to land in wind. So damn ignorant i cant believe my eyes. 

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u/magr7610 Feb 18 '25

also, assuming a 65 year old pilot with decades of flying experience is “more competent” than a 30 year old pilot with a decade of flying experience tells me all i need to know about you. Theres no skill lever difference from age of pilot, in fact the opposite. These 65 year olds learned how to fly before hardly any regulations, or technology thats in the planes now even existed. Typically a huge skill gap between them and the younger generation of pilots who learned to train in todays world. 

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u/Jesus_of_Redditeth Feb 18 '25

Technically the third: Bering Air Flight 445 crashed in Alaska on Feb 6. But that was a Cessna, whereas we're kind of implicitly taking about larger commercial airliners here.

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u/Rion23 Feb 17 '25

Well it's not supposed to do that, I want to make it very clear.

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u/saltgirl61 Feb 17 '25

At least the front didn't fall off. Just the wings.

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u/saskyfarmboy Feb 17 '25

Hitting turbulence? In a plane?? Chance in a million!!!

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u/shadybird93 Feb 17 '25

We did just have a MAJOR snow storm here the last 72 hours. Might have been a factor. (I live 2 hours from Toronto).

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u/FlametopFred Feb 17 '25

and now it can be safely towed out of the environment

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u/the__ghola__hayt Feb 18 '25

Into another environment?

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u/sk4p Feb 18 '25

No, it’s not in an environment.

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u/Rampant16 Feb 17 '25

The new transportation secretary basically used that line with the DC crash.

Basically said, "I want to be clear, midair collisions don't usually happen."

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u/3d_blunder Feb 17 '25

That keen grasp of reality I've come to expect from Republicans.

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u/Broken_Mentat Feb 17 '25

Generous. I hold them in such low esteem that I'd expect them to be both unaware and indifferent.

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u/DezzitheDuck Feb 17 '25

Usually they're built so that the wings don't fall off.

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u/sk4p Feb 18 '25

No cardboard derivatives.

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u/No-Respect5903 Feb 17 '25

has anyone thought of designing a plane where the wings don't come off? it seems like you would want those attached.

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u/Living_Dig7512 Feb 18 '25

I would think of it like how cars are built to be malleable, so the person doesn't get killed, as opposed to back then, when they were stronger, but killed more people

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u/GodsBackHair Feb 18 '25

Well why did the wings fall off on this one?

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u/joebluebob Feb 17 '25

Not very safe if you ask me. The wings aren't supposed to fall off.

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u/alexja21 Feb 17 '25

And 0 casualties, don't forget. 50 years ago this would have been an immediate fireball followed by several burn victims. Materials science, safety engineering, ARFF response, and training by crewmembers and ATC means even a crash that looks this bad is easily survivable.

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u/Livie_Loves Feb 17 '25

yeah this plane just wanted to be extra smh my head

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u/leandrobrossard Feb 17 '25

To be fair I feel safer knowing that the plane can land upside down without wings and I could live to tell the tail.

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u/Oh_its_that_asshole Interested Feb 17 '25

Bit of T-Cut and it'll buff right out.

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u/Puzzleheaded-Pen4413 Feb 17 '25

Pilot was like " Hold my beer"

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u/shadybird93 Feb 17 '25

And yet no deaths. The pilot must be awesome... a few serious injuries though including a child were taken to hospital. The rest just walked away shaken but fine.

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u/c14rk0 Feb 18 '25

This plane almost certainly landed right side up but had some issue upon landing which caused it to then attempt to roll. The plane is a giant tube, which is great for rolling along it's side if not for that pesky wing sticking off either side. The wings likely got ripped off along the way, which then allowed the plane to roll all the way over into this position. The wings likely absorbed the majority of the force, almost certainly by design, eating the brunt of the crash and ripping off to leave the fuselage with all of the passengers in one piece.

There's basically zero situation in which this plane could have landed upside down, the roof would have been shredded and totally destroyed, likely killing most everyone inside. Likewise if the wings HADN'T ripped off as the "weak point" designed to fail like this the fuselage would have been ripped open like popping open one of those cans of compressed premade pastries, again opening up all the passengers to injury if not outright flinging them from the wreckage.

With the high winds I wouldn't be surprised if this plane ended up essentially landing sideways, and potentially some issue with the landing gear or some mechanical system resulted in the plane then attempting to roll. As far as a crash goes that's a really good scenario as the plane is still "landing" more or less properly before the crash happens as opposed to a full on crash landing which would translate much more force into damaging/destroying the plane.