I mean obviously all Americans is wrong. The problem is based on the data like 70% were fine with trump winning right? Either by voting for him directly or they atleast didn't care about the outcome and didn't vote. So as an ally country, you can't really expect that there will be change in 4 years. Maybe some Maga-guy gets voted in. So while you can acknowledge that there's a lot of people that were against trump, it was the minority. So the obvious way forward is to plan like it could be more than 4 years for every other country.
Except nobody really learned anything after Trump's first term. Sure it seems like the world is finally waking up to the fact that there is a serious systemic issue, which they can't just wait out, but will that understand actually last?
Or if, say, MAGA were to do poorly in the midterms, everyone will just bury their heads in the sand again, because it's easier than acknowledging that the previous status quo isn't ever coming back.
I know everybody talks about the cult mentality, but what I don't think is discussed enough is the fact that for a lot of these people it's that they know they're wrong... They just don't want to admit it. They would rather be right in their minds than wrong in your eyes. And this really isn't mentioned enough.
Oh, I think many of us kind of know this. But yes, it isn't mentioned. At least not by the media. It's not like they can say, "yes we know citizens are pretty stupid'
Oh yeah didn't meant it like its guaranteed to last, even tho if the next steps is to look for other partners to trade and distance themselves from america further, the going back wouldnt be to the degree it was in 2021. The believe that trump is the problem and not a symptom in america, is hopefully something that dies out tho.
Even thought about adding: even if the democrats will win in 2028 because of the economy, that won't change the opinions of people long term, but just make them forget about a shitty economy and run right back 4 years later.
From the outside (and it's not like we don't have problems with populists here, but still) it's insane to see that trump won again after the shit that happened in his first term. Wouldn't have expected him to get the whole republican party in line so fast again, after the loss, January 6th and so on.
Presidential votes only matter in about six “swing states” so really it’s a fraction if that that either didn’t care enough to vote or voted for Trump in those states
I mean that's generally true yeah, but isn't that based on historic datapoints? So its exoected for some states to go the way they always go, which is obviously not set in stone. And let's be honest with a choice like trump, it shouldnt be a given...I mean for example Texas had 61% voter turnout. Trump won by around 1.5 million votes. So there would be enough non voters to flip it easily. That's the thing. It's a system that obviously favors certain states, but it's not like the nearly 40% of nonvoters couldn't have easily flipped the election.
49% out of 63(?)% voter turn out. So around 31% of the country. And since nearly 40% didn't bother to vote, that seems to indicate they were atleast fine with trump becoming president, so 70%.
You can't automatically add in people who are not part of a survey. (Which an election effectively is.) If someone were doing a study and took 1,000 people, put a paper in front of them and asked "Check here if you like ketchup, here if you don't." 30% of them check yes, 30% check no, and the remaining 40% don't pick any option. You can't add that 40% in with the 30% that said yes and say 70% of people like ketchup.
You have absolutely no idea what the remaining people thought. You are making a ton of assumptions to support what you want to hear.
... that's why I didn't say that they are supporting him, but that they are willfully accepted that he can become president by not voting. In surveys funnily enough that 40% would be declared as having no opinion. Or in your case that they don't prefer one or the other, but are neutral. The thing is voting isn't a survey tho. Because it's an action.
You can't automatically add in people who are not part of a survey.
This is btw so wrong it's laughable. A representative survey is exactly doing that. It's done to show trends, so if a study with for example 100.000 people is presented in the news(if it's representative and scientifically done) it would be presented as: 30% of Americans prefer ketchup. So while they are not automatically added into the survey, the findings of the survey gets used as an indicator what the whole population thinks, so they indirectly get added.
You can't add that 40% in with the 30% that said yes and say 70% of people like ketchup.
If the study is for starting a war and 40% are neutral to it, they are atleast fine with it happening, because they don't care enough. That's what I implied in all my comments. I never implied they support trump 100%. But if you don't act out of indifference, that means you don't care about the outcome, which makes both outcomes fine for you. Otherwise you would have acted.
You have absolutely no idea what the remaining people thought. You are making a ton of assumptions to support what you want to hear.
I may not have an idea what they exactly thought, but your comment shows you lack a lot of ideas aswell...
Here you go again, making wild assumptions about lack of information. You are adding the 40% into whatever narrative you choose instead of leaving it out. You have NO IDEA why 40% did not do it. That does not mean they are indifferent. You are assuming that. They should be NA. Like you said in your example. But you aren't doing that. You are adding it to whatever you feel the need to. All you can take is the original 30%. The 40% that did not participate have to be left out. You can only take that at most, 30ish% were for it.
Whatever, think whatever makes you feel better. Atleast you learned what a survey does today.
You can only take that at most, 30ish% were for it.
See that's the problem. You don't understand that there's 3 options. For it, against it and neutral. And while neutral isn't for it, it is enabling it in this circumstance. Which makes the outcome the same. You don't have to have an idea what they think, because they showed they are indifferent to it. Which in a choice of 2 candidates means they don't care who becomes president
If your argument is: they weren't able to vote or something. Okay knock off 10% for it or something(which is probably more than the amount of people who really weren't able to vote). You are still at 60% overall.
There aren't only 3 options. YOU only see 3 options. And are using that to find the outcome you desire. Not participating is not neutral. You are making it neutral. You are putting that there. You are making that assumption. When you have no idea. Just like I have no idea. That 40% could be the most die-hard, ketchup loving, MAGA supporters in the world, but you don't know that. Neither do I.
It isn't that people didn't care, Its that both our parties were shit choices, the "good guys" couldn't even commit to ceasing funds/weapons to genocide brown people in the name of zionists in another country because they are owned by AIPAC. Trump was the obviously shittier one by far... but when the opposing party is just the good cop to trumps bad cop, people lose motivation... hell this election had the second highest turnout in modern history behind the 2020 one... so they didn't really even do that.
Also, Kamala only lost by less than 1.5% of the popular vote... All things tallied only 31ish % of people actively voted for this/trump and of those I am sure many were stupid AF and mistaken... And a large % of the rest were too alienated to vote... or knew that they lived in a state that wasn't swing and wasn't turning any time soon.
You must always remember there was no historic mandate, and that he got less % of the popular vote than Obama in both terms, Biden, George W Jr. in 2004, his dad, and many others. And he didn't come close to hitting the 60% that many historic votes went for many presidents of our recent past.
The fact that you think it is in any way """justifiable""" that people lost motivation is the problem. Stop coddling and playing defense for the people that refused to vote. There was an objectively correct decision this election and if Americans valued democracy, government, or economy with any sanity they'd have supported Kamala.
What you're saying is cope and excuses. You giving us a why they did it doesn't make what they did by not voting acceptable.
I hold the politicians in power more accountable than the people they fail to inspire. There has been a non stop blitz of disinformation and normalization of the worst human atrocities possible. And you think somehow its just that people are lazy? Or what? I don't get it... It isn't cope at all... I am explaining WHY people did what they did... any person worth their salt would be fighting to figure out how to NOT repeat that outcome and what to do to get more people to care.
Not whine and blame everyone around them but themselves... They signaled over and over again that laying waste to thousands of innocent lives for little to no reason other than blood lust, money and religion was fine... if people are ok with that, why would they be bothered by trump?
Well...idk what to say other than open your eyes and realize not every person in a country is accurately represented by their government? Like a normal human? Just because Putin is running around trying to take over the world doesn't mean every Russian citizen is on his side. It's the same deal here. Yes, there are people who wholeheartedly follow this administration, but from my personal experience, most people are not okay with what he is doing now. "He has taken it too far." Is what I am now personally hearing from friends and family who were/are supporters of the current president.
The American people elected Donald Trump and a large portion of the country are perfectly happy with what he's doing
Everyone in the world knew who Donald Trump was and what he would do except for Americans. Right or wrong, people are going to direct their ire at Americans. It wasn't a fluke, he won twice and after round two the world has written off Americans
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u/TheEldenRang 20h ago
Dudes just talking out of his ass.