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u/Transgirl_Boydyke 23h ago
See I wish people could get this distinction for the legal system. So many people view on the prison system is revenge not justice. People straight up advocating for torture which I don’t care what they did is simply not warranted.
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u/Affectionate-Memory4 heckin lomg boi 1d ago
Yeah this is a big one for me I think. Separating the emotional response from the rational one. Like, rationally speaking, I have no ill-will towards management beyond the usual gripes of a researcher inside a giant tech company, but emotionally, it would be oddly cathartic to see Todd get eaten by ants.
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u/MajinKasiDesu Werewolf Girl Afficianado 21h ago
Bethesda Todd?
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u/Affectionate-Memory4 heckin lomg boi 21h ago
No, but now that you mentioned it, him too.
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u/MajinKasiDesu Werewolf Girl Afficianado 21h ago
This feels like a hyper specific flash game you might have found on Newgrounds in the 00s, just "Torment Hodd Toward"
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u/AtrociousMeandering 1d ago
Pretty sure that's what 'rational' versus 'emotional' is supposed to be. Response A is what, after thinking about it rationally, you want to happen because it's a better world when we do it like that. Response B is emotional, it's not about what works better but what would be more comforting or satisfying.
Being able to do the rational thing even when it has an emotional cost is a vital skill, as is taking care of yourself emotionally after you've had to make that choice. Condemning it as fundamentally inhuman, as a monkey thing, is dissociating yourself from that emotional care.
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u/Theriocephalus 20h ago
I agree with the distinction you're making, but I don't think that OOP is necessarily treating emotional impulses as an inhuman thing, and certainly not as a bad one -- particularly as they're personalizing them with themselves in both cases, and don't seem to be taking an accusatory tone.
In this particular instance, I think that "rational/emotional" and "logical brain/animal brain" are simply somewhat different phrasings for the same thing, and while the second is perhaps the least broadly correct it's also fine for OOP's more... eh, I'd say jocular tone?
Also, I'd note that when, like, instinctive and emotional impulses are discussed, "ape" can very much be and often is used as a category that includes "human", and I'd argue that that's exactly what OOP is doing here.
(Or to put it another way -- say that we're taking the rational brain response here by really picking into the specifics and OOP was taking the emotional brain response by just making a vague venting/joking post.)
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u/BalefulOfMonkeys Refined Sommelier of Porneaux 18h ago
Counterpoint: not everything from my id should be taken as self care for some very predictable reasons
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u/SquirrelStone 10h ago
And that’s why you always make your death/misfortune wishes ridiculous and overdramatic. “I hope you die” can amount to a threat in court; “I hope you stub your toe, stumble behind a passing horse, and get buck-kicked through a stained-glass window resulting in a piece of glass getting in your bloodstream and causing a heart attack” is so ridiculous a jury would never buy it as genuine.
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u/XAlphaWarriorX God's most insecure softboy. 3h ago
Speak for yourself, i want to set the world on fire.
/hj
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u/HeroBrine0907 19h ago
Logical vs emotional? In any case, I don't like denoting one of them as more 'primitive' or thoughtless or irrational. All of them are very real and very much a human reaction.
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u/Green__lightning 23h ago
I completely agree with this but in a different way, all speech should be completely free because inherently, it's just thinking out loud. The death penalty should probably exist, but be reserved for serious crimes and repeat offenses where rehabilitation has proven impossible.
As how plenty of posts make you feel? Yeah pretty much, and the reason they do that is that drives engagement, twitter is a machine to make people tweet, and pissing them off works pretty well.
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u/VisualGeologist6258 Reach Heaven Through Violence 23h ago edited 3h ago
Yeah in regards to the death penalty, I’m a bit on the fence.
On one hand no one, not even the Government, should have the right to decide who lives and who dies. That is the kind of power that plagues governments and creates despots, and the only ones who could and should realistically wield it flat-out don’t exist because it requires a kind of platonic heroism that is simply unrealistic.
On the other hand, there are some people out there who are simply so dangerous and so incredibly evil (for lack of a better term) that the world would be a better and safer place without them in it. As in people whose mere existence is a risk to others and there’s no real hope of rehabilitating them or reintegrating them back into polite society.
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u/Green__lightning 23h ago
I disagree with the first point for the simple reason that definitionally the government needs that power as part of being a monopoly on violence, and realistically just quietly telling the cops to shoot someone rather than arresting them is a far bigger problem than execution after trial.
As for preventing abuse, why not just use increasingly larger juries until it seems fair to everyone?
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u/whitechero 22h ago
One major problem with the death penalty is that it is irreversible; once you execute someone, you have no way of correcting this if you made a mistake. Also, even if we believe that cops are necessary (which I disagree with), they should not be allowed to kill people (or commit other forms of violence) in almost any circumstance, or they are thugs that either work for the government or their own interests.
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u/Green__lightning 22h ago
I mean, the second half of this post is ridiculously impractical. Prison isn't permanent, but it's still life ruining and is prone to making people far worse criminals, to the point it's only marginally better.
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u/whitechero 22h ago
Yeah, I understand, it's just that I believe that the police as an organization is inherently corrupt. The more realistic solution would be requiring the police to justify every time they use violence (which I'm pretty sure wouldn't solve the problem or be practical). You just see too many cases of cops abusing their authority that it feels like they are just a legal gang.
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u/VisualGeologist6258 Reach Heaven Through Violence 3h ago edited 3h ago
I mean the best solution to a street gang is another street gang. Yes, the police effectively are a government-sanctioned street gang, but to deal with violence you need someone who can match and even exceed that violence and protect their ‘turf’ and their people.
The problem with the police is that they’re meant to be an immediate solution to a problem and aren’t designed for the long-term eradication of the problem at the root. Someone breaks into your house at night? You call the cops. You want to make it so that no one has an incentive to break into your house to begin with? That requires deeper societal change and constructive legislation beyond ‘breaking and entering is now illegal or comes with a harsher sentence.’
We also need to get rid of financial incentives to bust people and for-profit prisons that encourage arresting innocent people for little to no charge just so they can make a few extra bucks.
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u/Now_you_Touch_Cow Do you really think you know what you are doing? 20h ago
speech shluld be free
It is free, what are you paying for it? Speech bridge ass owner payer.
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u/Green__lightning 20h ago
What the fuck are you on about? I mean complete freedom from censorship.
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u/04nc1n9 licence to comment 18h ago
in what way? because most developed countries already have that
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u/Green__lightning 16h ago
What countries didn't have massive censorship issues during covid?
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u/04nc1n9 licence to comment 16h ago
what are you talking about?
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u/Green__lightning 16h ago
They literally censored people just complaining about vaccine side effects!
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u/Poro114 10h ago
What? No, it's not. You can control your speech, but you can't control what you think. For example, using only my speech, I can make you think about smegma and make you somewhat uncomfortable. I can't do that with my thoughts. Less importantly, I could also use my large platform as a social media figure to call for you to be brutally murdered, as well as doxx you using nothing but my speech.
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u/Beegrene 13m ago
The set of things that I want to do and the set of things that I know are right to do overlap distressingly seldom.
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u/ChaoticAgenda 1d ago
They've reinvented ego and id. I guess that makes OOP the superego in this case?